Vista and XP

[Bill]

cloned my original XP hard drive (1) to another hard drive (2)
shut off 2 in setup and left 1 on
updated 1 to Windows Vista Beta 2
have been playing around with Vista - and enjoying it FWIW
turned drive 2 on and it shows up in Windows Explorer - all is well
copied a few files from 1 to 2 for back up purposes - and to see if I could
do it - I could
I am now curious:

1. mm I likely to damage HD2 (XP) in anyway by having it on along with HD1
(Vista)?
2. can I turn 1 off in setup and boot to 2 and work in XP?
3. when Vista boots up it shows something about a Windows Boot Manager - is
this something I can use to decide which HD to boot to?

All in all - I have been happier with Vista with each new thing I learn

TIA

Bill

 

[Conor]

cloned my original XP hard drive (1) to another hard drive (2)
shut off 2 in setup and left 1 on
updated 1 to Windows Vista Beta 2
have been playing around with Vista - and enjoying it FWIW
turned drive 2 on and it shows up in Windows Explorer - all is well
copied a few files from 1 to 2 for back up purposes - and to see if I could
do it - I could
I am now curious:

1. mm I likely to damage HD2 (XP) in anyway by having it on along with HD1
(Vista)?
2. can I turn 1 off in setup and boot to 2 and work in XP?
3. when Vista boots up it shows something about a Windows Boot Manager - is
this something I can use to decide which HD to boot to?

All in all - I have been happier with Vista with each new thing I learn

1) Possibly. Someone has already posted that the XP System Restore
points get hosed.
2) No. THe boot record is on drive 1.
3) Yes sort of.

 

[Bones]

It's the Vista restore points that seem to go missing when you boot to XP on
a dual boot system.
At least my XP restore points have been fine..I dual boot XP pro and Vista
5384

 

[Bill]

Bones,

How do you dual boot you system? - since I assume your method is working<G>

Bill


It's the Vista restore points that seem to go missing when you boot to XP on
a dual boot system.
At least my XP restore points have been fine..I dual boot XP pro and Vista
5384

 

[Chad Harris]

Bill--

Here's how most people dual boot the system and it works well, and has
worked well with every build of Vista through 5384.4 (Beta 2) with a bonus
tip. Always install the olderst Windows Operating System first, and that's
XP in this case.

1) Burn the DVD from XP. Use iso tab/burn slowly/close session. 3) You
can find Checksums that will check the integrity of the burn. There are md5
hashes on the web you can use to check--I don't know if an ISO download CRC
tool is made for the public download. Maybe someone can tell you.

An added tip is to optimize your burn do this:

Get to Device Manager by typing devmgmt.msc in run/win key + pause break or
Rt. click My Computer>Prop>hardware tab>Device Manager if you like 5 steps
instead of one cmd. If you're set to PMI here change to DMO and if set to
DMO change to PMI:

a.. Click the + in front of IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers
a.. Double Click the Secondary IDE Controller
a.. Click Advanced Settings
a.. Under Device 1  Next to Transfer Mode choose DMA (or vise versa)
a.. Click OK
a.. Reboot your System

2) When you burn the DVD from Windows XP, you will have the Vista setup
screens on your XP desktop and you will have the option to direct it to the
volume/partition/drive where you have made space. I would give yourself
30-40GB depending on how many programs you plan to install on the Vista
boot. Vista does not take that much space nor do its files and this is
documented on this group, but you will get crowded if you use much less than
20GB fast.

The reason for going into the Vista setup this way from the XP desktop is
you will not get your drive letters rearranged. If you boot from start
outside of XP, this will happen. So be sure to burn the Iso from XP and go
into the Vista setup from the XP desktop--it will be waiting for you when
you complete burning the Iso.

3) This will install easily and you will then have a black and white screen
when you start up that has a list of the current Windows Version (Vista) and
the Previous Windows version.

4) If you leave files/folders/apps in the space you plan to install Vista,
it will tuck them into a Windows Old folder or two. It is optimum to start
fresh and clean, but you should not lose what you have on the drive.

5) The *bonus tip*--How to Access the XP desktop with a click from Vista and
use the XP files and folders without wasting time and space moving them:

Once on the Vista boot's desktop, you can save time and real estate by
making a shortcut to the XP desktop assuming XP is on C:\ by typing
C:\Documents and Settings\Bill's Profile\Desktop and dragging the folder
icon from the name bar of the Explorer Window that comes up on the Vista
desktop. If it were an XP explorer folder, you'd be dragging from the
corner of the title bar. This difference also occurs in an IE Windows in XP
and Vista as to dragging the shortcut from the Title Bar in XP and the
Address Bar in Vista.

Good luck,

CH

Bones,

How do you dual boot you system? - since I assume your method is
working<G>

Bill


It's the Vista restore points that seem to go missing when you boot to XP
on
a dual boot system.
At least my XP restore points have been fine..I dual boot XP pro and Vista
5384

 

[Bill]

Chad,

Thanks for the reply - wow - to be honest I understood very little of it -
way over my head.
I have Vista on one HD (C) and XP on a separate HD (F) - I currently boot to
C

""3) This will install easily and you will then have a black and white
screen
when you start up that has a list of the current Windows Version (Vista) and
the Previous Windows version.""

I get this while booting
- tabbed to the previous/older Windows version option - ended up with a
black screen

""5) The *bonus tip*--How to Access the XP desktop with a click from Vista
and
use the XP files and folders without wasting time and space moving them:

Once on the Vista boot's desktop, you can save time and real estate by
making a shortcut to the XP desktop assuming XP is on C:\ by typing
C:\Documents and Settings\Bill's Profile\Desktop and dragging the folder
icon from the name bar of the Explorer Window that comes up on the Vista
desktop. If it were an XP explorer folder, you'd be dragging from the
corner of the title bar. This difference also occurs in an IE Windows in XP
and Vista as to dragging the shortcut from the Title Bar in XP and the
Address Bar in Vista.""

XP is NOT on C - it is on F - here in seems to be the problem<G>

In my head this should be a very simple thing -
"Hey machine - boot from C" or "Hey machine - boot from F"

My head does not appear to be in reality(again)

Bill





Bill--

Here's how most people dual boot the system and it works well, and has
worked well with every build of Vista through 5384.4 (Beta 2) with a bonus
tip. Always install the olderst Windows Operating System first, and that's
XP in this case.

1) Burn the DVD from XP. Use iso tab/burn slowly/close session. 3) You
can find Checksums that will check the integrity of the burn. There are md5
hashes on the web you can use to check--I don't know if an ISO download CRC
tool is made for the public download. Maybe someone can tell you.

An added tip is to optimize your burn do this:

Get to Device Manager by typing devmgmt.msc in run/win key + pause break or
Rt. click My Computer>Prop>hardware tab>Device Manager if you like 5 steps
instead of one cmd. If you're set to PMI here change to DMO and if set to
DMO change to PMI:

a.. Click the + in front of IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers
a.. Double Click the Secondary IDE Controller
a.. Click Advanced Settings
a.. Under Device 1  Next to Transfer Mode choose DMA (or vise versa)
a.. Click OK
a.. Reboot your System

2) When you burn the DVD from Windows XP, you will have the Vista setup
screens on your XP desktop and you will have the option to direct it to the
volume/partition/drive where you have made space. I would give yourself
30-40GB depending on how many programs you plan to install on the Vista
boot. Vista does not take that much space nor do its files and this is
documented on this group, but you will get crowded if you use much less than
20GB fast.

The reason for going into the Vista setup this way from the XP desktop is
you will not get your drive letters rearranged. If you boot from start
outside of XP, this will happen. So be sure to burn the Iso from XP and go
into the Vista setup from the XP desktop--it will be waiting for you when
you complete burning the Iso.

3) This will install easily and you will then have a black and white screen
when you start up that has a list of the current Windows Version (Vista) and
the Previous Windows version.

4) If you leave files/folders/apps in the space you plan to install Vista,
it will tuck them into a Windows Old folder or two. It is optimum to start
fresh and clean, but you should not lose what you have on the drive.

5) The *bonus tip*--How to Access the XP desktop with a click from Vista and
use the XP files and folders without wasting time and space moving them:

Once on the Vista boot's desktop, you can save time and real estate by
making a shortcut to the XP desktop assuming XP is on C:\ by typing
C:\Documents and Settings\Bill's Profile\Desktop and dragging the folder
icon from the name bar of the Explorer Window that comes up on the Vista
desktop. If it were an XP explorer folder, you'd be dragging from the
corner of the title bar. This difference also occurs in an IE Windows in XP
and Vista as to dragging the shortcut from the Title Bar in XP and the
Address Bar in Vista.

Good luck,

CH

Bones,

How do you dual boot you system? - since I assume your method is
working<G>

Bill


It's the Vista restore points that seem to go missing when you boot to XP
on
a dual boot system.
At least my XP restore points have been fine..I dual boot XP pro and Vista
5384

 

[Bill]

Chad,

Thanks for the reply - wow - to be honest I understood very little of it -
way over my head.
I have Vista on one HD (C) and XP on a separate HD (F) - I currently boot to
C

""3) This will install easily and you will then have a black and white
screen
when you start up that has a list of the current Windows Version (Vista) and
the Previous Windows version.""

I get this while booting
- tabbed to the previous/older Windows version option - ended up with a
black screen

""5) The *bonus tip*--How to Access the XP desktop with a click from Vista
and
use the XP files and folders without wasting time and space moving them:

Once on the Vista boot's desktop, you can save time and real estate by
making a shortcut to the XP desktop assuming XP is on C:\ by typing
C:\Documents and Settings\Bill's Profile\Desktop and dragging the folder
icon from the name bar of the Explorer Window that comes up on the Vista
desktop. If it were an XP explorer folder, you'd be dragging from the
corner of the title bar. This difference also occurs in an IE Windows in XP
and Vista as to dragging the shortcut from the Title Bar in XP and the
Address Bar in Vista.""

XP is NOT on C - it is on F - here in seems to be the problem<G>

In my head this should be a very simple thing -
"Hey machine - boot from C" or "Hey machine - boot from F"

My head does not appear to be in reality(again)

Bill

 

[Chad Harris]

Bill--

It would of course have helped for you to say this in the first place. None
of us are clairvoyant. Well, maybe Colin is. Rick Rodgers, Andre, Grumpy--
absolutely.

Sorry was not my intention to confuse. XP can be on any drive--I don't
think that's herein the problem but you must install XP first and then Vista
and while many of the people here may have other ways to do this--I
recommend burning the Iso from XP and then you will get the chance in Vista
setup to direct Vista to the target area (drive/volume/partition) you want
it installed on which is apparently C:\ for you. Follow my steps by burning
the Iso within H--do it again. Go to the run box of your H:\ drive if XP is
still working and type in "diskmgmt.msc" and lose the quotes and right click
the C:\drive and format Vista off of it and start clean.

1) As to the shortcut then all you have to do is type into your run box
using the XP drive letter F:\ Documents and Settings\Bill's XP
profile\Desktop and drag the tiny icon from that folders's address bar when
it pops up.

You can make a dual purpose run box IE address bar in the task bar of Win XP
or Vista, or Win 2K and possibly more flavors by simply right clicking your
taskbar>click toolbars on the context menu>address bars. Unlock taskbar and
use the little "seam" to slide out an address bar. You could then type
websites and the file path I gave you from there.

2) I get this while booting

- tabbed to the previous/older Windows version option - ended up with a
black screen

You should be seeing this:
http://assets.lifehacker.com/assets/2006/06/dualbootchoice.php

I'm just not sure what you are seeing as far as tabs--but maybe someone else
will chime in here. This is a set of directions for the dual boot with
pics:

Try this link or the one below and see which you like the best:

http://www.lifehacker.com/software/...-boot-windows-xp-and-windows-vista-179906.php

Different illustration size and layout here:
http://www.lifehacker.com/software/...-boot-windows-xp-and-windows-vista-179906.php

I would start over again by formatting your Vista and simply burning the
Iso from XP the way my directions say or following these on the link if they
are easier.

HTH,

CH

 

[Bill]

It would of course have helped for you to say this in the first place. None
of us are clairvoyant. Well, maybe Colin is. Rick Rodgers, Andre, Grumpy--
absolutely.
NOT SURE WHAT I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED

Sorry was not my intention to confuse. XP can be on any drive--I don't
think that's herein the problem but you must install XP first and then Vista
and while many of the people here may have other ways to do this--I
recommend burning the Iso from XP and then you will get the chance in Vista
setup to direct Vista to the target area (drive/volume/partition) you want
it installed on which is apparently C:\ for you. Follow my steps by burning
the Iso within H--do it again. Go to the run box of your H:\ drive if XP is
still working and type in "diskmgmt.msc" and lose the quotes and right click
the C:\drive and format Vista off of it and start clean.
I BURNED THE ISO DVD FROM XP BEFORE I UPGRADED XP TO VISTA
I STILL HAVE THE DVD

1) As to the shortcut then all you have to do is type into your run box
using the XP drive letter F:\ Documents and Settings\Bill's XP
profile\Desktop and drag the tiny icon from that folders's address bar when
it pops up.
HERE'S WHEN I GET LOST - I WANT TO GET TO THE ENTIRE F DRIVE - NOT JUST THE
DOCUMENTS FOLDER


You can make a dual purpose run box IE address bar in the task bar of Win XP
or Vista, or Win 2K and possibly more flavors by simply right clicking your
taskbar>click toolbars on the context menu>address bars. Unlock taskbar and
use the little "seam" to slide out an address bar. You could then type
websites and the file path I gave you from there.

2) I get this while booting

- tabbed to the previous/older Windows version option - ended up with a
black screen

You should be seeing this:
http://assets.lifehacker.com/assets/2006/06/dualbootchoice.php
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SEE

I'm just not sure what you are seeing as far as tabs--but maybe someone else
will chime in here.
MY BAD HERE - I USED ''TABBED'' WHEN I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE
SAID ''SELECTED'' OLDER VERSION - WHICH GOT ME A BLANK SCREEN SINCE THE
OLDER
VERSION XP IS ON F DRIVE

This is a set of directions for the dual boot with
pics:

Try this link or the one below and see which you like the best:

http://www.lifehacker.com/software/...-boot-windows-xp-and-windows-vista-179906.php

Different illustration size and layout here:
http://www.lifehacker.com/software/...-boot-windows-xp-and-windows-vista-179906.php

THOSE ARE THE SAME LINK - OR MY MACHINE HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY MY EX-WIFE

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT TRYING TO HELP ME - SOMETHING IS NOT
REGISTERING WITH MY BURNED OUT BRAIN ON THIS DUAL BOOT THING

THANKS AGAIN CHAD

BILL


I would start over again by formatting your Vista and simply burning the
Iso from XP the way my directions say or following these on the link if they
are easier.

HTH,

CH

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Just to add to Bill's comments, it is advantageous to burn the dvd in the
same drive from which you will install Vista.

 

[Bill]

Just to add to Bill's comments, it is advantageous to burn the dvd in the
same drive from which you will install Vista.
I DID THIS - HONEST<G>

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

(believing Bill)

Just to add to Bill's comments, it is advantageous to burn the dvd in the
same drive from which you will install Vista.
I DID THIS - HONEST<G>

 

[Bill]

Thanks Colin,
I need all the believability I can get now. I cannot believe the hassle I am
having with this problem - C drive = Vista F (a completely separate HD) =
XP. I just want the choice of going to C or F - to work with VISTA or XP. I
am not asking for my cholesterol to drop to 135 overnight, I am not asking
for all my alimony back, I am not asking for Jennifer Aniston's phone
number. Our Father.............................................<G>

Bill



(believing Bill)

 

[Chad Harris]

Colin, respectfully

***how*** (since you didn't explicitly underscore the advantages)

is it advantageous in any way to burn the DVD from the drive where you will
install Vista? All I have seen for months is problems when people do that
because as the Vista Beta setup teams relate, these people have their
partitions are drives relabled and in a way often they don't like.

I never do. What disadvantage have I missed? What advantages didn't I
realize?

Thanks,

CH

 

[Chad Harris]

Colin--

***how*** (since you didn't explicitly underscore the advantages)

is it advantageous in any way to burn the DVD from the drive where you will
install Vista? All I have seen for months is problems when people do that
because as the Vista Beta setup teams relate, these people have their
partitions are drives relabled and in a way often they don't like.

I never do. What disadvantage have I missed? What advantages didn't I
realize?

Thanks,

CH

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

I had a drive in my primary computer that I was using to burn the dvd's. I
was then using the dvd in the test computer to install Vista. I kept
getting file copy errors. When I moved the .iso file to the test computer
and used the drive in it to burn the dvd the installation went just fine. I
don't know if there can be allignment differences between cd/dvd drives like
there used be with floppies, but something made a difference. It was to my
advantage to burn the dvd in the same drive I used to install Vista. In
both cases I was using EMC 8.