Using Norton Ghost with one new hard disk

[Peterborough Effect]

I am upgrading my PC with one new hard disk. I also have a copy of
Norton Ghost with the image files on three CDs. I've used it regularly
to restore partitions.

Question is, how do i use Norton Ghost with a brand new hd drive fitted
as the master, not two hd drives as most guides assume. I will be taking
the old hd drive out, and installing the new one as master.

TIA

 

[Dave C.]

I am upgrading my PC with one new hard disk. I also have a copy of
Norton Ghost with the image files on three CDs. I've used it regularly
to restore partitions.

Question is, how do i use Norton Ghost with a brand new hd drive fitted
as the master, not two hd drives as most guides assume. I will be taking
the old hd drive out, and installing the new one as master.

TIA

Create a rescue disk on a bootable CD-Rom. NOTE: I don't know if you can
do that with Ghost, but I'd be surprised if you can't. Acronis True Image
can, and it works well. -Dave

 

[Groove]

said this...

Question is, how do i use Norton Ghost with a brand new hd drive fitted
as the master, not two hd drives as most guides assume. I will be taking
the old hd drive out, and installing the new one as master.

Split your new disk into 2 partitions so you have C: & D: drives.
You can ghost the primary system partition across to D and then save it to
CD at your leisure. I find that works more reliably than trying to ghost
straight to cd.

 

[Michael Hawes]

I am upgrading my PC with one new hard disk. I also have a copy of
Norton Ghost with the image files on three CDs. I've used it regularly
to restore partitions.

Question is, how do i use Norton Ghost with a brand new hd drive fitted
as the master, not two hd drives as most guides assume. I will be taking
the old hd drive out, and installing the new one as master.

TIA

Put new disk in as slave, Ghost from old drive to new drive, then shut
down and remove original drive, install new drive as master and reboot with
new drive as only drive. If you wish, you can fit old drive as slave and use
for storing data, or keep it safe as backup for a while.
Mike.

 

[Bob Davis]

I am upgrading my PC with one new hard disk. I also have a copy of
Norton Ghost with the image files on three CDs. I've used it regularly
to restore partitions.

Question is, how do i use Norton Ghost with a brand new hd drive fitted
as the master, not two hd drives as most guides assume. I will be taking
the old hd drive out, and installing the new one as master.

I may be confused about your new configuration, but I assume you are simply
going to replace the old with the new. If so, just do a disk-to-disk clone
in Ghost by attaching both drives, which will take about one min. per
gigabyte.

 

[Peterborough Effect]

I may be confused about your new configuration, but I assume you are simply
going to replace the old with the new. If so, just do a disk-to-disk clone
in Ghost by attaching both drives, which will take about one min. per
gigabyte.

Firstly, thanks to All!! This is the first time I posted to this
group...so thanks!

To put it more clearly. I've used Norton Ghost to restore partitions
from CD-Rs. No sweat [(well maybe a little ] This time it will be to
a new HD installed as master (no slave). 80GB replacing a 45 GB drive.

I suppose the steps are:

1. Install HD
2. Power up and enter BIOS so that HD is [hopefully] recognised.
3. Reboot with Norton Ghost boot CD (which is well used).
4. Ah...here comes the tricky part, perhaps. My configuration, at
present is:

C: Win 98 install [FAT 32]
D: FAT 32 (mostly programs)
E: FAT 32 (Data)
F: Win XP [NTFS]

Partitions C and D are linked. I.E. I need both to be restored together.
E is data.
F is XP [progs and data]

All these are on Ghost CDs.

So I guess that the steps are:

A. Restore C and D with Norton Ghost.

B(1). Do I now reboot and format the HD using Partition Magic for E and
F? And then restore with Ghost?

OR

B(2). Keep with Norton Ghost (no reboot) and restore E and F drives. And
only then reboot?

Whether B(1) or B(2) I don't know. What do you think?

Hope this makes sense. TIA.

 

[Thomas Wendell]

A. Restore C and D with Norton Ghost.

B(1). Do I now reboot and format the HD using Partition Magic for E and
F? And then restore with Ghost?

OR

B(2). Keep with Norton Ghost (no reboot) and restore E and F drives. And
only then reboot?

Whether B(1) or B(2) I don't know. What do you think?

Hope this makes sense. TIA.

The easiest way (as said by Michael and Bob) would be to install the new
drive as slave. Boot from Ghost CD, clone partition by partition (remember
to make C: active). Shut down, remove old HD, set new as master, boot. Check
for functioning for a few boots. If it's working, you ,ay install old drive
as slave, repartition/format and use for storage..

At every point there should be an option to resize the partitions to use the
bigger space (but I don't know if it resizes dynamically between the
partitions, i.e. all gets an equally proportioned space as on the old
disk)...



(Most new HDs come with HD-copy software, or it's available on mfg's web
site, which can do that, but it's the same as with Ghost)


IF you want to do it by going the CD-image way, it's B2



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[Bob Davis]

The easiest way (as said by Michael and Bob) would be to install the new
drive as slave. Boot from Ghost CD, clone partition by partition (remember
to make C: active). Shut down, remove old HD, set new as master, boot.
Check
for functioning for a few boots. If it's working, you ,ay install old
drive
as slave, repartition/format and use for storage..

At every point there should be an option to resize the partitions to use
the
bigger space (but I don't know if it resizes dynamically between the
partitions, i.e. all gets an equally proportioned space as on the old
disk)...

I've always cloned drives that have only one partition, but why can't he
simply do a disk clone? Like you, I'm uncertain how Ghost will handle the
disparity in drive size.
When only one partition is present it simply clones the files over to the
new drive, regardless of whether it is smaller or larger.

 

[Bob Davis]

I may be confused about your new configuration, but I assume you are
simply
going to replace the old with the new. If so, just do a disk-to-disk
clone
in Ghost by attaching both drives, which will take about one min. per
gigabyte.

Firstly, thanks to All!! This is the first time I posted to this
group...so thanks!

To put it more clearly. I've used Norton Ghost to restore partitions
from CD-Rs. No sweat [(well maybe a little ] This time it will be to
a new HD installed as master (no slave). 80GB replacing a 45 GB drive.

I suppose the steps are:

1. Install HD
2. Power up and enter BIOS so that HD is [hopefully] recognised.
3. Reboot with Norton Ghost boot CD (which is well used).
4. Ah...here comes the tricky part, perhaps. My configuration, at
present is:

C: Win 98 install [FAT 32]
D: FAT 32 (mostly programs)
E: FAT 32 (Data)
F: Win XP [NTFS]

Partitions C and D are linked. I.E. I need both to be restored together.
E is data.
F is XP [progs and data]

All these are on Ghost CDs.

So I guess that the steps are:

A. Restore C and D with Norton Ghost.

B(1). Do I now reboot and format the HD using Partition Magic for E and
F? And then restore with Ghost?

OR

B(2). Keep with Norton Ghost (no reboot) and restore E and F drives. And
only then reboot?

Whether B(1) or B(2) I don't know. What do you think?

Hope this makes sense. TIA.

I would try doing a disk clone and just see what happens. If you don't like
the result you can punt and try another strategy, as like I mentioned to
Thomas I've only cloned to single-partitioned drives and don't know how it
would handle the space disparity between the two drives. Will it divide the
difference equally? I dunno, but it may ask you during the process how you
want it divided.

 

[Thomas Wendell]

I did clone 40GB (2 partitions)-> 80GB about a year ago and the 80GB (3
partitions)-> 120GB about half a year ago using DiskImage 2002
But I don't remember did it ask, or did I just keep old sizes to later add
partitions..


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[Sayso Takewashi]

I did clone 40GB (2 partitions)-> 80GB about a year ago and the 80GB (3
partitions)-> 120GB about half a year ago using DiskImage 2002
But I don't remember did it ask, or did I just keep old sizes to later add
partitions..

I am curious as a cat )

Today i put a second Disk into a USB-Enclosure.Then under Disk
Managment in W2000 i formated it.Then Ghost back the Backup into the
new hardisk.
Then i shut down,swapped the Disks and the Computer went straight into
Windows.

Voila!

Issues:The new 30GB Disk will be only 20GB,because the Backup Image
contains the Layout of the old Disk.No chance to resize it or use the
additional 10GB.

So i might think (dont know which Ghost he uses),he eventually only
could use 45 GB of his new 80GB Hardisk.
For that Reason (older Ghosts might loose you capacity),i only hook
bigger Disks as Slaves or into USB-Enclosures.If new Ghosts could
change the capacity,thats might not be an issue.

 

[Michael Hawes]

<Peterborough Effect> wrote in message

I am upgrading my PC with one new hard disk. I also have a copy of
Norton Ghost with the image files on three CDs. I've used it regularly
to restore partitions.

Question is, how do i use Norton Ghost with a brand new hd drive fitted
as the master, not two hd drives as most guides assume. I will be
taking
the old hd drive out, and installing the new one as master.

I may be confused about your new configuration, but I assume you are
simply
going to replace the old with the new. If so, just do a disk-to-disk
clone
in Ghost by attaching both drives, which will take about one min. per
gigabyte.

Firstly, thanks to All!! This is the first time I posted to this
group...so thanks!

To put it more clearly. I've used Norton Ghost to restore partitions
from CD-Rs. No sweat [(well maybe a little ] This time it will be to
a new HD installed as master (no slave). 80GB replacing a 45 GB drive.

I suppose the steps are:

1. Install HD
2. Power up and enter BIOS so that HD is [hopefully] recognised.
3. Reboot with Norton Ghost boot CD (which is well used).
4. Ah...here comes the tricky part, perhaps. My configuration, at
present is:

C: Win 98 install [FAT 32]
D: FAT 32 (mostly programs)
E: FAT 32 (Data)
F: Win XP [NTFS]

Partitions C and D are linked. I.E. I need both to be restored together.
E is data.
F is XP [progs and data]

All these are on Ghost CDs.

So I guess that the steps are:

A. Restore C and D with Norton Ghost.

B(1). Do I now reboot and format the HD using Partition Magic for E and
F? And then restore with Ghost?

OR

B(2). Keep with Norton Ghost (no reboot) and restore E and F drives. And
only then reboot?

Whether B(1) or B(2) I don't know. What do you think?

Hope this makes sense. TIA.

I would try doing a disk clone and just see what happens. If you don't like
the result you can punt and try another strategy, as like I mentioned to
Thomas I've only cloned to single-partitioned drives and don't know how it
would handle the space disparity between the two drives. Will it divide the
difference equally? I dunno, but it may ask you during the process how you
want it divided.

I use Ghost a lot. If you do Drive to Drive you are given a final
screen which lets you resize all the partitions as you wish, it even gives
the original size of each partition.
Mike.

 

[Peterborough Effect]

I am curious as a cat )

Today i put a second Disk into a USB-Enclosure.Then under Disk
Managment in W2000 i formated it.Then Ghost back the Backup into the
new hardisk.
Then i shut down,swapped the Disks and the Computer went straight into
Windows.

Voila!

Issues:The new 30GB Disk will be only 20GB,because the Backup Image
contains the Layout of the old Disk.No chance to resize it or use the
additional 10GB.

So i might think (dont know which Ghost he uses),he eventually only
could use 45 GB of his new 80GB Hardisk.
For that Reason (older Ghosts might loose you capacity),i only hook
bigger Disks as Slaves or into USB-Enclosures.If new Ghosts could
change the capacity,thats might not be an issue.

That's a good point! I suspected that. So this is what I did:

I installed the new HD. tried to Ghost -- an 'old' Ghost version, circa
2001 -- the CD-RWs over. BUT although the HD was recognised, it was
greyed out. So no joy.

So I re-installed win98Se (no tweaks, it just took 30 mins or so after
win98SE correctly formatted all the HD to one massive 80GB partition.).
Then used Partition Magic. voila! Once the partitions were created,
Ghost worked like a dream. C and then D (FAT32) were ghosted.

Then created a partition for XP. And ghosted the image over. Fine.

BUT at the moment i'm puzzling out why i can boot into XP from floppy,
and into win98SE from HD in the normal way, but unlike before cannot
dual boot from HD! ...Still i'm glad i did the upgrade to Hitachi
Deskstar 80GB. it's really SO QUIET, and faster than the IBM Deskstar
45GB.

I'm perusing tweakhomepc to try and solve the dual-boot problem. Anyone
read it..PHEW

Thanks once again for all the inputs.

Peterborough Effect

 

[Peterborough Effect]

Bob Davis wrote:

<Peterborough Effect> wrote in message

I am upgrading my PC with one new hard disk. I also have a copy of
Norton Ghost with the image files on three CDs. I've used it regularly
to restore partitions.

Question is, how do i use Norton Ghost with a brand new hd drive fitted
as the master, not two hd drives as most guides assume. I will be
taking
the old hd drive out, and installing the new one as master.

I may be confused about your new configuration, but I assume you are
simply
going to replace the old with the new. If so, just do a disk-to-disk
clone
in Ghost by attaching both drives, which will take about one min. per
gigabyte.

Firstly, thanks to All!! This is the first time I posted to this
group...so thanks!

To put it more clearly. I've used Norton Ghost to restore partitions
from CD-Rs. No sweat [(well maybe a little ] This time it will be to
a new HD installed as master (no slave). 80GB replacing a 45 GB drive.

I suppose the steps are:

1. Install HD
2. Power up and enter BIOS so that HD is [hopefully] recognised.
3. Reboot with Norton Ghost boot CD (which is well used).
4. Ah...here comes the tricky part, perhaps. My configuration, at
present is:

C: Win 98 install [FAT 32]
D: FAT 32 (mostly programs)
E: FAT 32 (Data)
F: Win XP [NTFS]

Partitions C and D are linked. I.E. I need both to be restored together.
E is data.
F is XP [progs and data]

All these are on Ghost CDs.

So I guess that the steps are:

A. Restore C and D with Norton Ghost.

B(1). Do I now reboot and format the HD using Partition Magic for E and
F? And then restore with Ghost?

OR

B(2). Keep with Norton Ghost (no reboot) and restore E and F drives. And
only then reboot?

Whether B(1) or B(2) I don't know. What do you think?

Hope this makes sense. TIA.

I would try doing a disk clone and just see what happens. If you don't like
the result you can punt and try another strategy, as like I mentioned to
Thomas I've only cloned to single-partitioned drives and don't know how it
would handle the space disparity between the two drives. Will it divide the
difference equally? I dunno, but it may ask you during the process how you
want it divided.

I use Ghost a lot. If you do Drive to Drive you are given a final
screen which lets you resize all the partitions as you wish, it even gives
the original size of each partition.
Mike.

Mike, I can see what you're getting at. I guess I was being cautious
what with dual boot and all, and used a tool which I trust implicitly --
partition magic -- to do the partitions. I also didn't like the idea of
swapping hd drives in and out, as my pc is a bit fiddly to work on and
i'm adverse to mechanics...But it's useful info that Ghost gives that
final screen. If you want something quickly it looks like hd to hd is
the way to go. Do your comment apply also to older ghost progs -- mine
is v 70 114 year 2001?

I sorted the dual boot problem out with a utility called "Btsect25.zip".
I needed a new bootsect.dos file to reflect the new partitioning. BTW
this site where i got the utiity surely is a must for anyone with or
considering dual boot: http://thpc.info/dualboot.html

/PE

 

[Cecks]

Yes you can, you boot from a ghost floppy disc...

 

[Peterborough Effect]

Bottom posting for clarity......

Yes you can, you boot from a ghost floppy disc...

I've been using Ghost with spanned CD-RWs to hold the image since 2001.
A floppy is used to create the image i.e. from HD/partion(s) to CD-RW.
But to /restore/ I use a Ghost Boot CD which imade. Simply change the
BIOS setting to boot from the CD. So far, Ghost has never let me down
once, and that includes spanning 4 CD-RWs.

I've not completed the HD upgrade semi-automatically; I was adverse to
using HD copy because I didn't know how (or if) Ghost 2001 would handle
creating or sizing the HD partitions on new HD. Plus i'm using dual
boot, and XP can be a bit finnicky as to bootsect.dos which is specific
to a given hd configuration (unlike NTLDR and boot.ini which are not pc
specific).

If anyone is reading this and has a dual boot system do take a look at
this site:

http://thpc.info/dualboot.html


The free utility to re-create a new and valid bootsect.dos is brilliant
IMO. Find it here:

http://thpc.info/dual/bootsectdos.html


Thanks to all who gave input on this.

/PE