Upgrading from Win98SE and I need some help.

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Guest

Hello, I'm considering upgrading from Windows 98SE to XP. I figured if XP is
being replaced by Vista and I'm way behind as far as OSs go, then it's time
to upgrade. I want to upgrade as is, and I read that the Upgrade disc of XP
is cheaper than the first-time Windows installation CD. However, I wanted to
know before I purchased it, if I would need my original Windows 98SE disc. I
already have Windows on my computer, but I no longer have the original disc
(98SE was installed so long ago, I don't know where it is). My computer
itself is capable and is over the reccommended requirements to run xp. Any
help?
 
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Smoker

DDSD said:
Hello, I'm considering upgrading from Windows 98SE to XP. I figured if XP
is
being replaced by Vista and I'm way behind as far as OSs go, then it's
time
to upgrade. I want to upgrade as is, and I read that the Upgrade disc of
XP
is cheaper than the first-time Windows installation CD. However, I wanted
to
know before I purchased it, if I would need my original Windows 98SE disc.
I
already have Windows on my computer, but I no longer have the original
disc
(98SE was installed so long ago, I don't know where it is). My computer
itself is capable and is over the reccommended requirements to run xp. Any
help?
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Some Internet vendors were offering XP with a free upgrade to Vista. Those
offers may still exist. I'd try software sites or places like buy.com

Vista has a lot of bugs to be worked out and there's no compelling reason to
get it now. As I understand it you can't (or don't want to) install an
upgrade OS to your current OS. You should be able to find a full OEM version
of XP Home for under $90. You might look for deals on eBay.
 
G

Guest

Smoker said:
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Some Internet vendors were offering XP with a free upgrade to Vista. Those
offers may still exist. I'd try software sites or places like buy.com

Vista has a lot of bugs to be worked out and there's no compelling reason to
get it now. As I understand it you can't (or don't want to) install an
upgrade OS to your current OS. You should be able to find a full OEM version
of XP Home for under $90. You might look for deals on eBay.
You misunderstand. I'm upgrading from Windows 98SE to Windows XP. However, I
don't have my original installation CD. Can I still use the "Upgrade" package
available to $99 instead of buying the first-time installtion for twice that
much?
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

DDSD said:
Hello, I'm considering upgrading from Windows 98SE to XP. I figured
if XP is being replaced by Vista and I'm way behind as far as OSs go,
then it's time to upgrade. I want to upgrade as is, and I read that
the Upgrade disc of XP is cheaper than the first-time Windows
installation CD. However, I wanted to know before I purchased it, if
I would need my original Windows 98SE disc. I already have Windows on
my computer, but I no longer have the original disc (98SE was
installed so long ago, I don't know where it is).


Using an upgrade CD requires proof of ownership of a previous qualifying
version, either installed or on a CD. If you upgrade over the top of Windows
98, you don't need the 98 CD now, but will need it (or another one; they can
be bought used very cheaply) if you ever want to do a clean reinstallation.

My computer itself
is capable and is over the reccommended requirements to run xp.


Please tell us exactly what the specs of your computer are. The official
minimum requirements are *way* less than what you need to run XP with
acceptable performance. It's a very rare Windows 98-era computer that's good
enough for XP.

But my personal view is that it's foolish to upgrade to Windows XP now that
Vista has been released. You will start out with an obsolescent operating
system all over again. If you're doing it, I think you should go the whole
hog and get Vista; I've been running Vista Ultimate RTM since November 18,
and it's been completely stable and problem-free.

If you upgrade to Vista, you will almost certainly have to upgrade your
hardware, but I suspect the same is true of upgrading to XP. So my
recommendation is to bite the bullet and go all the way to Vista.
 
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philo

DDSD said:
Hello, I'm considering upgrading from Windows 98SE to XP. I figured if XP is
being replaced by Vista and I'm way behind as far as OSs go, then it's time
to upgrade. I want to upgrade as is, and I read that the Upgrade disc of XP
is cheaper than the first-time Windows installation CD. However, I wanted to
know before I purchased it, if I would need my original Windows 98SE disc. I
already have Windows on my computer, but I no longer have the original disc
(98SE was installed so long ago, I don't know where it is). My computer
itself is capable and is over the reccommended requirements to run xp. Any
help?


If you get the XP upgrade cd...you really should find your win98 cd for
several reasons:

Though , in theory the XP upgrade should detect your win98 and allow for
installation...
there is a good possibility it may still ask for a qualifying product (your
cd of course)

Also...though there are many folks who say that it's fine to upgrade...
I do a *lot* of computer work and assure you there is nothing better than a
clean install.

Ideally you should back up your data and perform a fresh install...
or else install XP on a 2nd partition and dual boot. So the win98 cd is
really a good idea.

Finally...if something should happen and you had to format your drive and
reinstall...
you'd need it anyway.


It might be cheaper to even buy a win98cd and XP upgrade...
than to purchase XP full version...

Of course , now that Vista is out...the price of XP may drop a bit
 
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Guest

Ken Blake said:
Using an upgrade CD requires proof of ownership of a previous qualifying
version, either installed or on a CD. If you upgrade over the top of Windows
98, you don't need the 98 CD now, but will need it (or another one; they can
be bought used very cheaply) if you ever want to do a clean reinstallation.




Please tell us exactly what the specs of your computer are. The official
minimum requirements are *way* less than what you need to run XP with
acceptable performance. It's a very rare Windows 98-era computer that's good
enough for XP.

But my personal view is that it's foolish to upgrade to Windows XP now that
Vista has been released. You will start out with an obsolescent operating
system all over again. If you're doing it, I think you should go the whole
hog and get Vista; I've been running Vista Ultimate RTM since November 18,
and it's been completely stable and problem-free.

If you upgrade to Vista, you will almost certainly have to upgrade your
hardware, but I suspect the same is true of upgrading to XP. So my
recommendation is to bite the bullet and go all the way to Vista.
I thought about Vista and I do plan on buying it, but only after it has been
out for a while. I put more trust in XP because it has been out longer, is
more stable at this time, and has more applications and programs built around
it. My specs are right now (I ran MS's advisor test and other apps):

128MB of Memory/Ram
660 Mhz
27GB free space
1024x768 high color display
And my BIOS were created 4/17/2000

So you're saying I can write over 98se with windows xp and not need the
first-time installation disc? This will let me keep my files versus a clean
install which would delete them, correct?
 
G

Guest

philo said:
If you get the XP upgrade cd...you really should find your win98 cd for
several reasons:

Though , in theory the XP upgrade should detect your win98 and allow for
installation...
there is a good possibility it may still ask for a qualifying product (your
cd of course)

Also...though there are many folks who say that it's fine to upgrade...
I do a *lot* of computer work and assure you there is nothing better than a
clean install.

Ideally you should back up your data and perform a fresh install...
or else install XP on a 2nd partition and dual boot. So the win98 cd is
really a good idea.

Finally...if something should happen and you had to format your drive and
reinstall...
you'd need it anyway.


It might be cheaper to even buy a win98cd and XP upgrade...
than to purchase XP full version...

Of course , now that Vista is out...the price of XP may drop a bit
What determines if XP is going to detect 98se on my computer or not?
 
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philo

What determines if XP is going to detect 98se on my computer or not?

That...I don't know...
but I do know that I have attempted such upgrades and the installer did not
detect
the OS already present on the drive!!!!
 
G

Guest

philo said:
That...I don't know...
but I do know that I have attempted such upgrades and the installer did not
detect
the OS already present on the drive!!!!
So I can install XP over windows 98se without my orignial disc? If so, that
would be fine because I wouldn't mind keeping my settings. A clean install
only clears the drive, right?
 
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philo

128MB of Memory/Ram
660 Mhz
27GB free space
1024x768 high color display
And my BIOS were created 4/17/2000



With those specs I advise against XP!

Though you could get it to run with a few tweaks...
it would not be a great experience.

Realistically, to run XP you need at least 256 megs of RAM

Your machine should be able to run win2k if you are simply looking for more
stability than win98 offers...
but if your win98 is working OK I'd just stay with it until you get an
entirely new machine
 
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philo

So I can install XP over windows 98se without my orignial disc? If so, that
would be fine because I wouldn't mind keeping my settings. A clean install
only clears the drive, right?


In theory , yes...
in practice...a very possible *no*!!!!

BTW: see my reply to your other post...
you may want to just skip the upgrade entirely
 
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Ron Martell

DDSD said:
What determines if XP is going to detect 98se on my computer or not?

Best way to insure this is to boot the computer into Windows 98 then
instert the Windows XP Upgrade CD.

If you boot directly from the upgrade CD it might (rare but it could
happen) not detect your installed Windows 98 but if Windows 98 is
booted up and running it will certainly be aware of it.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."
 
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Ron Martell

I thought about Vista and I do plan on buying it, but only after it has been
out for a while. I put more trust in XP because it has been out longer, is
more stable at this time, and has more applications and programs built around
it. My specs are right now (I ran MS's advisor test and other apps):

128MB of Memory/Ram
660 Mhz
27GB free space
1024x768 high color display
And my BIOS were created 4/17/2000

The upgrade advisor for XP tends to underestimate the hardware need to
run Windows XP, or at least to run any application programs under
Windows XP. In other words, your hardware as it is might be okay
for Windows XP provided you never did anything else - never launched
any applications.

To get any sort of decent performance from Windows XP on that machine
you need to upgrade it to 512 mb of RAM. 256 would be a big
improvement over 128, but it would still drag.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."
 
G

Guest

Ron Martell said:
Best way to insure this is to boot the computer into Windows 98 then
instert the Windows XP Upgrade CD.

If you boot directly from the upgrade CD it might (rare but it could
happen) not detect your installed Windows 98 but if Windows 98 is
booted up and running it will certainly be aware of it.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."
Thanks. I read that if you install xp over windows 98se( not a clean
install, but just the "upgrade") that you'll have 30 days to insert your
orignial 98se cd and "activate" it. Can you confirm this?
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

philo said:
Also...though there are many folks who say that it's fine to
upgrade...
I do a *lot* of computer work and assure you there is nothing better
than a clean install.


A contrary opinion here. I also do a lot of computer work. But unlike with
previous versions of Windows, an upgrade to XP replaces almost everything,
and usually works very well.

My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much easier
than a clean installation. You can always change your mind and reinstall
cleanly if problems develop.

However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the need to
backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting to upgrade, it's
always prudent to recognize that things like a sudden power loss can occur
in the middle of it and cause the loss of everything. For that reason you
should make sure you have backups and anything else you need to reinstall if
the worst happens.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

DDSD said:
What determines if XP is going to detect 98se on my computer or not?


If Windows 98SE is there the XP installation will see it. If it's not, it
won't.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

DDSD said:
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
I thought about Vista and I do plan on buying it, but only after it
has been out for a while. I put more trust in XP because it has been
out longer, is more stable at this time, and has more applications
and programs built around it.


Your choice, of course. I completely disagree, but it's your computer, not
mine. As I said, I find Vista completely stable, and all of my applications
that ran under XP also run under Vista. In my exprience, only a very
occasional utility doesn't run under Vista.

My specs are right now (I ran MS's
advisor test and other apps):


Don't rely on that. The Microsoft Upgrade Advisor talks about official
minimum requirements. Official minimum requirements and practical minimum
requirements are two very different things.

128MB of Memory/Ram


That's not a matter of opinion or my choice versus your choice. 128MB is
definitely *completely* inadequate to run Windows XP with anything
approaching acceptable performance. How much RAM you need is *not* a
one-size-fits-all situation. You get good performance if the amount of RAM
you have keeps you from using the page file, and that depends on what apps
you run. Most people running a typical range of business applications find
that somewhere around 256-384MB works well, others need 512MB. Almost anyone
will see poor performance with less than 256MB. Some people, particularly
those doing things like editing large photographic images, can see a
performance boost by adding even more than 512MB--sometimes much more.

I would never suggest that anyone run Windows XP without at least 256MB,
unless you plan on running nothing but solitaire.



That will give you a very slow XP machine, but one that's usable. There's no
question that you need to upgrade the RAM. Regarding the processor, you can
get away with what you have, but only as long as you understand that
performance will be poor.


27GB free space
1024x768 high color display


Those will be OK.

Most people with Windows 98-era machines need to upgrade at least their
motherboard, processor, and RAM. It would seem that you fall into that
category. If so, you will probably find that it doesn't pay to do such
upgrades, and you'd be better off junking or giving away the hardware you
have (almost certainly worth well under $50) and just buying a new machine
that comes with Windows Vista. It will be the cheaper way to go.

And my BIOS were created 4/17/2000

So you're saying I can write over 98se with windows xp and not need
the first-time installation disc?

Yes.


This will let me keep my files
versus a clean install which would delete them, correct?


Yes. *However* (and it's a *big* however), whenever you take a step as big
as this, you always need to recognize that, no matter how unlikely,
something can go wrong. It would be foolhardy to do such an upgrade without
first making sure you have a backup of anything you can't afford to lose.

I also need to point out that your question makes it sound like you have no
backups of your data files. If that's the case, you are at extreme risk,
starting right *now*. It is always possible that a hard drive crash, user
error, nearby lightning strike, virus attack, even theft of the computer,
can cause the loss of everything on your drive. As has often been said, it's
not a matter of whether you will have such a problem, but when.

If I were in your shoes, I would make institution of a regular backup
regimen, backing up all your important data to external media, my highest
priority. It's far more important than what operating system you run.
 
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philo

A contrary opinion here. I also do a lot of computer work. But unlike with
previous versions of Windows, an upgrade to XP replaces almost everything,
and usually works very well.

My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much easier
than a clean installation. You can always change your mind and reinstall
cleanly if problems develop.

However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the need to
backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting to upgrade, it's
always prudent to recognize that things like a sudden power loss can occur
in the middle of it and cause the loss of everything. For that reason you
should make sure you have backups and anything else you need to reinstall if
the worst happens.


Considering the OP has just 128 megs of RAM I beleive it's now a moot point
:)

However...though yes...upgrades certainly can work just fine...I've had too
many go wrong
to bother with them now.
Even upgrades with minor problems took longer to sort out than just plain
doing a fresh install.

A fresh install takes about the same time as an upgrade...
but of course one does have to reinstall apps ...but
that's not much of a challenge.

Anyway I'm not really in favot of either an upgrade or a fresh install...
I'm a big advocate of keeping the old installtion
and installing the new OS on a 2nd partition and dual booting.

My success rate with that has been 100% @!
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

philo said:
Considering the OP has just 128 megs of RAM I beleive it's now a moot
point :)


Well, I'm sure we agree that it *should be* moot, but we haven't yet heard
back from him about what he's going to do,

However...though yes...upgrades certainly can work just fine...I've
had too many go wrong
to bother with them now.
Even upgrades with minor problems took longer to sort out than just
plain doing a fresh install.

A fresh install takes about the same time as an upgrade...
but of course one does have to reinstall apps ...but
that's not much of a challenge.


To me, the major issue is not just reinstalling apps, but customizing them
the way you want them to be. It's not that it's a challenge, but if you have
a lot installed, and are particular about the customizations, it can take a
long time to put everything back the way it was.


Anyway I'm not really in favot of either an upgrade or a fresh
install... I'm a big advocate of keeping the old installtion
and installing the new OS on a 2nd partition and dual booting.


I know you're not alone in that view, but I've personally never done it.
I've always bitten the bullet and gone directly to the new operating system.
I've never had a problem doing it by upgrading. For example, I'm running
Windows Vista Ultimate here now, upgraded from Windows XP Professional on
November 18, and haven't had a single problem.
 
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philo

I know you're not alone in that view, but I've personally never done it.
I've always bitten the bullet and gone directly to the new operating system.
I've never had a problem doing it by upgrading. For example, I'm running
Windows Vista Ultimate here now, upgraded from Windows XP Professional on
November 18, and haven't had a single problem.

You have not lived until you setup at least a dual boot machine.
All of my machines run numerous OS's...(Different versions of Windows and
Linux...OS/2 , BSD etc...)
Some by dual or triple booting...
others via removable drives.

When giving technical advice over the phone (or Usenet)
nothing like booting to the OS in question .
There are too many variations from one OS to the next to try to keep it
all in my head :)
 

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