Unpin Items from Vista Start Menu

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Bill Wolcott

Vista Home Premium:
Gateway branded model, got several items such as AOL and Net Zero pinned to
the Start Menu. I've deleted the actual programs, can't get rid of the
shortcuts. "Right-click remove from this list" only works until a re-start.
Any ideas on where to track down something permanent?
Thanks,
Bill W
 
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Donald L McDaniel

Vista Home Premium:
Gateway branded model, got several items such as AOL and Net Zero pinned to
the Start Menu. I've deleted the actual programs, can't get rid of the
shortcuts. "Right-click remove from this list" only works until a re-start.
Any ideas on where to track down something permanent?
Thanks,
Bill W

Ask yourself this question:
Did you use "Add/Remove Programs" (now called "Programs and Features"
in Vista) to remove those applications? IF not, they are still on
your disk.

If this is so, I would reinstall them, then remove them via "Programs
and Features", rather than simply deleting their program folders.

That is the correct way to remove a program in Windows. Otherwise,
you leave crap all over your HD, and in your Windows Registry. Sadly,
most programmers fail to add the ability to remove the registry
entries when writing the uninstall programs for their products. Some
don't even remove the program folder for a particular software
product.

BTW, AOL and Net Zero are notoriously difficult to get rid of. Even
if one removes them properly, they leave crap on your HD and in your
REgistry.
 
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Bill Wolcott

Donald L McDaniel said:
Ask yourself this question:
Did you use "Add/Remove Programs" (now called "Programs and Features"
in Vista) to remove those applications? IF not, they are still on
your disk.

If this is so, I would reinstall them, then remove them via "Programs
and Features", rather than simply deleting their program folders.

That is the correct way to remove a program in Windows. Otherwise,
you leave crap all over your HD, and in your Windows Registry. Sadly,
most programmers fail to add the ability to remove the registry
entries when writing the uninstall programs for their products. Some
don't even remove the program folder for a particular software
product.

BTW, AOL and Net Zero are notoriously difficult to get rid of. Even
if one removes them properly, they leave crap on your HD and in your
REgistry.

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Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the original thread and newsgroup.
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Thanks for the reply, Donald.
Those two programs are (were) not in the Add/Remove Programs location as
they weren't yet installed. I looked there first.
Thanks,
Bill W
 
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Synapse Syndrome

Bill Wolcott said:
Thanks for the reply, Donald.
Those two programs are (were) not in the Add/Remove Programs location as
they weren't yet installed. I looked there first.


They certainly were/are installed. How do you think they got into your
Start Menu otherwise? How did you "delete the programs"?

ss.
 
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Bill Wolcott

Synapse Syndrome said:
They certainly were/are installed. How do you think they got into your
Start Menu otherwise? How did you "delete the programs"?

ss.

ss,
They got to the Start Menu because Gateway's got something that's sticking
them to the recently opened programs part of the list, although the programs
have never been opened or used.. I deleted them both by tracking back from
the shortcut's properties pointer. Again, neither program showed up in the
Vista "Programs" location, so there was no option to uninstall from there.
Bill W
 
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silver hair

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lucky me I guess


Bill Wolcott said:
Vista Home Premium:
Gateway branded model, got several items such as AOL and Net Zero pinned to
the Start Menu. I've deleted the actual programs, can't get rid of the
shortcuts. "Right-click remove from this list" only works until a re-start.
Any ideas on where to track down something permanent?
Thanks,
Bill W
Hi there
Many programs have a Uninstall Utility, I don't Know if these ones have.
Revo Uninstaller Freeware, does find Registry Crap and other crap.
If not already.
May be search your computer for the Programs,(advance anywhere all files)
then Reinstall and Uninstall as Donald says
 
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Donald L McDaniel

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:57:01 -0800, silver hair

Actually, "Programs and Features" simply calls the registered
uninstall program provided by the program developer and registered
with Windows. when the software is installed.

Third-party uninstall programs also do the same thing. But they can
do something else native Windows utilities can't do: They track where
registry entries are made and remove them when uninstalling, and so do
a better job of removing the crud, usually. Sometimes, however, they
don't do such a good job.

Take Symantec's uninstall program provided with their software for
example: using the provided uninstall program leaves crap all over the
Registry in places one would never expect. NOT Using it is just as
bad, if not worse. Almost any Symantec program leaves hundreds
(literally) of entries in the Registry, most of which are left in
place when uninstalling the product.

This is not so much Symantec's fault, but the fault of the Registry
itself. The registry was supposed to be the cure for "DLL HELL", but
turned out to have many more problems than the problem with each
program's DLLs themselves. Now programmers use the Registry for
settings which used to be kept internally in the program code or its
DLLs or in .ini files, creating nothing but confusion and open doors
for hackers.

If any one thing could improve Windows, getting rid of the Registry is
it. Personally, I would rather have DLL HELL and a return to ini
files.

I personally like Apple's way of installing and uninstalling a program
in OS X (one of the few things about OS X I do like). Provide the
installer in a compacted folder with both program and data, and just
de-compact the folder into the user's Home directory. To uninstall,
just delete the program folder and the very few (usually) ancillary
files associated with the program. Sweet, Clean,
Thought-and-trouble-free. However, while OS X programmers are usually
consistent with reuse of code, many times they AREN'T consistent with
providing the necessary installers/uninstallers. Some use the above
method, and some use specialized installer/uninstaller programs. Those
that use specialized installer programs also should consistently
remove ancillary files on deinstallation, but manytimes they don't,
leaving the user to hunt down those no-longer-necessary files to
delete them.

At least the Windows way is usually consistent, so one knows what to
expect when uninstalling a product.

But the Windows Registry is a large (sometimes approaching hundreds of
MB) piece of hell designed to help control a lesser piece of hell.
PLEASE, Microsofties, stop using the dang Registry for keeping program
data. And Microsoft, get rid of the Registry alltogether. It's
outmoded and decrepit, and has long since outlived its usefullness in
a "healthy" way as a data keeper compartment outside the data areas of
a program. That's what DLLs were designed for. Why stop using them
as a general rule? Ah, the limitations of 16 and 32bit registers in
the CPU!

Crap! now I'm starting to ramble.
 
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DDW

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:57:01 -0800, silver hair

Actually, "Programs and Features" simply calls the registered
uninstall program provided by the program developer and registered
with Windows. when the software is installed.

Third-party uninstall programs also do the same thing. But they can
do something else native Windows utilities can't do: They track where
registry entries are made and remove them when uninstalling, and so do
a better job of removing the crud, usually. Sometimes, however, they
don't do such a good job.

Take Symantec's uninstall program
[snip]

Crap! now I'm starting to ramble.

STARTING???

You started at: "Take Symantec's uninstall program..."

DDW
 
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Donald L McDaniel

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:57:01 -0800, silver hair

Actually, "Programs and Features" simply calls the registered
uninstall program provided by the program developer and registered
with Windows. when the software is installed.

Third-party uninstall programs also do the same thing. But they can
do something else native Windows utilities can't do: They track where
registry entries are made and remove them when uninstalling, and so do
a better job of removing the crud, usually. Sometimes, however, they
don't do such a good job.

Take Symantec's uninstall program
[snip]

Crap! now I'm starting to ramble.

STARTING???

You started at: "Take Symantec's uninstall program..."

DDW

Yeh,yeh, yeh, I know. But I'm in my twilight years. Rambling is what
i do for a living now. So will you, friend. SO WILL YOU.

BTW, do you love Symantec or something, or are you just too young to
understand that its easy to ramble when one gets older.
 
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DDW

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:57:01 -0800, silver hair

Actually, "Programs and Features" simply calls the registered
uninstall program provided by the program developer and registered
with Windows. when the software is installed.

Third-party uninstall programs also do the same thing. But they can
do something else native Windows utilities can't do: They track where
registry entries are made and remove them when uninstalling, and so do
a better job of removing the crud, usually. Sometimes, however, they
don't do such a good job.

Take Symantec's uninstall program
[snip]

Crap! now I'm starting to ramble.

STARTING???

You started at: "Take Symantec's uninstall program..."

DDW

Yeh,yeh, yeh, I know. But I'm in my twilight years. Rambling is what
i do for a living now. So will you, friend. SO WILL YOU.

BTW, do you love Symantec or something, or are you just too young to
understand that its easy to ramble when one gets older.

I hate Semantec. I'm 67. I don't ramble. I never will ramble.

DDW
 
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Donald L McDaniel

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:50:27 -0800, Donald L McDaniel

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:57:01 -0800, silver hair

Actually, "Programs and Features" simply calls the registered
uninstall program provided by the program developer and registered
with Windows. when the software is installed.

Third-party uninstall programs also do the same thing. But they can
do something else native Windows utilities can't do: They track where
registry entries are made and remove them when uninstalling, and so do
a better job of removing the crud, usually. Sometimes, however, they
don't do such a good job.

Take Symantec's uninstall program

[snip]

Crap! now I'm starting to ramble.

STARTING???

You started at: "Take Symantec's uninstall program..."

DDW

Yeh,yeh, yeh, I know. But I'm in my twilight years. Rambling is what
i do for a living now. So will you, friend. SO WILL YOU.

BTW, do you love Symantec or something, or are you just too young to
understand that its easy to ramble when one gets older.

I hate Semantec. I'm 67. I don't ramble. I never will ramble.

DDW

Then I guess your problem is a lack of understanding. Do you even
have feelings? I'm only 63 and a quarter, but I have understanding.

Maybe you need to start rambling a little yourself. You might gain a
little understanding.

You also need a few spelling lessons. Would you like some help with
your spelling? I would be glad to accomodate you.

But about taking Symantec's uninstall program,

"Take my wife. Please."

Ya gotta laugh a little, old dude. And ramble, ramble so much you get
lost from time to time. I love getting lost. I love getting high,
even at my age. Life's still an adventure to me. I certainly hope it
is for you. Smoke a few bowls for me on your way to the pisser. Then
you might just get lost.

Get lost, old dude...
 
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Donald L McDaniel

wow! now you really _are_ starting to ramble!

but the part further back was a really interesting patch of ramble: can we
retrace our steps to the part where you were about to explain the relation
of ddls and cpu register size? what do you mean?

also, isn't it too late or anyway a nearly insurmountable step to get rid
of the registry now? everything would have to be rewritten. would it be
worth it?

Felmon

Well, Felmon, we each have our own opinions, don't we?
Ain't it great to live in such a great country where each of us have
every right to our own opinions?

DDLs were invented to help developers create programs with more data.
At the time, a DATA section of an executable could only be 64K. So
DLLs were developed to allow developers to create programs with larger
than the 64K of data (also program code, but I digress), which was
then swapped in and out of memory as needed. IT worked great, till
Windows 95 and the REgistry were revealed to the world. Then,
developers started using the Registry as kind of a secondary DLL,
where they could keep program data as well as global program variables
and permanent variables.

AS more and more programmers caught on to the REgistry (remember, this
was still an era when a 64K data area was the only place to put data)
as a place to store such data, the Registry lost its original usage
and became a kind of super DLL they could use to make larger programs
with a limited size. Soon, there was nothing but confusion and
rampant misuse of the Registry, as today. Instead of INIs,
programmers use the Registry to store their global data and program
settings.

Of course, as address space became larger, the Registry became
redundant, but they STILL hang on to it out of motherlove or fatherape
or something. Anything but the original purpose, which was for
registering file types, hardware data, etc with the Windows command
processor. The Registry has become huge and sprawling and is now used
as a general-purpose repository of data for programs and devices.

But the Registry is now the single most dragging part of Windows, and
slows Windows down beyond comprehension, making it very difficult to
write managed code. Which is why I suggest it be gotten rid of ASAP.

If developers don't want to write large programs (why, I just don't
know.), why not continue using DLLs, and keep the dlls with their
program code, rather than stashing them in the Windows directory,
where they are completely unrelateable to the program data. I guess
they still try to hang on to every spare bit of address space as
holdover from the 64k data days. But it is no longer necessary to be
penny-wise with their program data. There's plenty of address space
nowadays, lots of memory to use. But there they are, still trying to
squeeze out every bit like it's the last one.


Anyway, that's my opinion. Whatz yerz....

Donald
 
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Why won't these "recently used" icons DIE ALREADY?!

Unpinning these from the Start menu should be as easy as
right-click -> "Remove from this list"
regardless of whether it is installed and registered or not. This list is supposed to keep track of programs that have been used, NOT programs that are installed!

But in this case, the manufacturer added registry keys that put these ADVERTISEMENTS (note: they are NOT recently used items at all) back on the Start menu every time you log in, regardless of how many times you request their removal. If you remove the registry keys they go away for good. I removed just the values from the following key(s) and the monster icons finally stopped coming back from the dead.


HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\SMDEn\OEM0[..1..2..etc.]
 

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