Unexplained RAM use slowing computer

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Guest

I have recently (I got it about 3 weeks ago now) recieved a new Dell Inspiron
1520 laptop with preinstalled Windows Business. However, performance has been
very for it's build. The setup is:

1.8GHz 2MB Cache Intel Core 2 Duo processor
2GB 667Mhz DDR2 RAM
Nvidia Geforce 8600 GT graphics
160GB 7400RPM hard drive

The computer has been acting, however, like my old 2.5ghz pent 4 256 mb ram
desktop computer - of the 2GB, almost 100% is constantly in use, and even
using tabbed web browsing is excruciatingly slow. I already posted one
question on this newsgroup, "Is windows Vista hogging my hard drive", and I
recieved feedback that windows vista ran certain background applications -
file indexing, for one - which could slow the computer. Ergo, I proceeded
disable these services. Performance improved slightly, but only minimally.

Perplexed, I started the computer in diagnostic mode using msconfig. Upon
checking task manager, I found that only 19% of the RAM was in use. In this
state, the computer ran wonderfully, programs like Word and Firefox opened in
a blink, and all was smooth. I proceeded to, one-by-one, re-enable services,
starting from security, networking, and then various ones like microsoft
framework, and so on and so forth, whilst keeping the number I activated down
to a minimum. To avoid trouble, I set most of the other services to manual,
so that I anything cropped up, at least I wasn't in too much trouble.

Now the situation is more interesting. Upon startup, the computer runs as,
and better than, I would expect. The antivirus is active, firewalls are up,
and all the necessary services are running. However, normally about 20
minutes after startup, the RAM use goes from about 25% background + programs
in use to about almost 100% background, and performance grinds to a halt. I
have checked the event viewer, but no recurring event appears to coincide
with this sudden memory spike.

In summary, my plea is twofold; if anyone has any idea as to what could be
degrading performance to this level, I would be extremely grateful for any
assistance. Furthermore, if anyone could advise a method (either through
windows or third-party programs) of accurately monitoring what
programs/services/processes are using the RAM and when, I would be able to
monitor spike with more accuracy and gather more information as to what is
going on.

Thank you in advance for your help,
Horus
 
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Guest

Windows Vista is designed to use the maximum amount of RAM that's available
in the system. That's the reason for high RAM usage. But regarding slowing of
computer, I don't have any idea and I'm just clueless.. For that matter, I
too own a Dell, but a Inspiron 1420 with 7200 RPM hard drive, 2GB ram, vista
business etc., etc., It's not fast enough.. I tried removing startup
programs.. still it's pretty slow... :(
Waiting badly for Vista SP1... :(

May be my blog on Vista review could be of use to you...
http://mugunthkumar.blogspot.com/2007/09/review-on-windows-vista.html
 
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occam

Lord said:
I have recently (I got it about 3 weeks ago now) recieved a new Dell Inspiron
1520 laptop with preinstalled Windows Business. However, performance has been
very for it's build. The setup is:
In summary, my plea is twofold; if anyone has any idea as to what could be
degrading performance to this level,

Try http://www.petri.co.il/vista_tips.htm


I would be extremely grateful for any
assistance. Furthermore, if anyone could advise a method (either through
windows or third-party programs) of accurately monitoring what
programs/services/processes are using the RAM and when, I would be able to
monitor spike with more accuracy and gather more information as to what is
going on.

Use "process Explorer". It is an MS tool.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/processexplorer.mspx
 
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MICHAEL

I wouldn't expect any miracles from SP1. Unless, Microsoft has something
up their sleeve- most everything that will be included in SP1, will have
already been made available through Windows Update.

You might want to try decraptifying your computer of all the junk
Dell adds to it. If it came with any Norton/Symantec or McAfee
products, remove them and use another AV. Look in msconfig to
see what items are starting up. There are lot of programs that like to
add their crap there, unchecking them doesn't usually break the software,
it should still work ( I see you did this already).


-Michael

* Mugunth:
 
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Guest

Really Michael...
MacAfee and Norton slows down your system terribly...
I used to get a lot of messages like "Windows is running low on memory,
Please close the following applications..."
I'm now using AVG free.. and the error is gone...

I've heard that, MS is working on the slow file copy issue.. I hope that
will improve the hard disk performance which I think is the cause for slow
startup...
 
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Charlie Tame

Try looking at you hard drive properties and if the box marked "Index
this drive" is checked try it unchecked... that made a heck of a
difference here on 2 machines and I see no loss of speed where "Search"
is concerned, it never found anything anyway but now finds nothing
quicker - go figure.
 
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TheNetAvenger

Your problem sounds like a service or a 3rd party application that is going
a bit insane. Monitor your tasks, and see if you can track down what is
consuming CPU and RAM usage, and then you can search the web for a way to
correct it.

I have seen this type of behavior with some Anti-virus software, and also
some 3rd party applications and drivers. (A Logitech mouse driver software
component was the most recent case I seen of this.)

Just so you know this is far from normal, and you will be able to track down
the problem. Vista should be rather smooth and peppy with your system
configuration, even surpassing XP on the same system.

Good luck to you...
 
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rtk

From the task manager's processes tab, click Resource Monitor. This is truly
one of my favorite new tools in Vista.

Whatever graph is high, open that section and sort by relevant column. It'll
tell you exactly what is reading or writing to your drive, filling your
memory, tasking your cpu or clogging your network.

rtk
 
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rtk

The issue as I see it is people that try and index their entire system
drive. If you have a separate drive with some type of media, it's fine to
index that drive.

Once the index is built, it takes literally split seconds to update the
index when a file operation occurs. When this is taken into account, it's
obvious why indexing cache folders is a bad idea.

I'm indexing four drives and don't feel it at all, once the initial index is
built there's no noticeable performance impact IMHO.

rtk
 
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Guest

Michael,
Your patches did a lot of "magic" to vista indeed...!
But, I don't understand why my laptop was not updated through
Windows Update? I've set everything to "recommended" settings...
 
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MICHAEL

Microsoft sometimes releases these separate updates to sort
of test them before making them available through Windows Update.

An earlier version of the update 941649 caused
some folks boot-up problems. It's not really a beta
update, but it sort of is a beta update. ;-)

Glad they worked for you and seem to have helped
you out.

Take care,

Michael

* Mugunth:
 
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Charlie Tame

MICHAEL said:
Microsoft sometimes releases these separate updates to sort
of test them before making them available through Windows Update.

An earlier version of the update 941649 caused
some folks boot-up problems. It's not really a beta
update, but it sort of is a beta update. ;-)

Glad they worked for you and seem to have helped
you out.

Take care,

Michael


Hmm, but they don't "Sort of" disable your machine when WPA pronounces
the OS stolen, they comprehensively DO disable it.
 
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occam

rtk said:
From the task manager's processes tab, click Resource Monitor. This is
truly one of my favorite new tools in Vista.

you are easily pleased, methinks. In fact, a same-similar facility also
exists in XP. Have a look at Process Explorer (also MS approved) and see
the difference.
 
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WaIIy

From the task manager's processes tab, click Resource Monitor. This is truly
one of my favorite new tools in Vista.

Whatever graph is high, open that section and sort by relevant column. It'll
tell you exactly what is reading or writing to your drive, filling your
memory, tasking your cpu or clogging your network.

rtk

Geez, some feature. Sysinternals has a better one for free.
 
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occam

WaIIy said:
Geez, some feature. Sysinternals has a better one for free.

err... 'process explorer' of sysinternals now belongs to Microsoft
(available from MS site) also for free.
 
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rtk

occam said:
you are easily pleased, methinks. In fact, a same-similar facility also
exists in XP. Have a look at Process Explorer (also MS approved) and see
the difference.

Hardly, I've been using the pstools and procexp for years.

Process Explorer is definitely very powerful, but it's task manager on
steroids. Resource manager is a fantastic tool for getting a quick overview
of the other processes besides cpu and ram usage.

Using process explorer, how do you tell which process is most active writing
or reading from the drive?
 
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rtk

WaIIy said:
Geez, some feature. Sysinternals has a better one for free.

Great build in feature, and completely different from what MS (ne:
sysinternals) offers through process explorer.
 
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rtk

MICHAEL said:
* occam:

Yes, and sad day that was when Mark and Bryce sold out....
not for them I guess.

I'm sure there were many people worried, but it's turned out to be a
non-issue.

Russinovich is my hero. ;-)

rtk
 

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