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Bruce Chambers
Greetings --
Isn't this the same "Big Brother" agency that, in its rampant
paranoia, deemed fingernail clippers to be dangerous weapons?
Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH
Isn't this the same "Big Brother" agency that, in its rampant
paranoia, deemed fingernail clippers to be dangerous weapons?
Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH
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RA
Isn't this the same "Big Brother" agency that, in its rampant
And at the same time they were confiscating fingernail clippers, they
allowed the purchase of Swiss Army knives in duty free shops after you had
passed through airport security.
paranoia, deemed fingernail clippers to be dangerous weapons?
Bruce Chambers
And at the same time they were confiscating fingernail clippers, they
allowed the purchase of Swiss Army knives in duty free shops after you had
passed through airport security.
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Leigha
hahaha that was good...why is it if the US gov't says
it's bad, then the whole world has to agree? puh lease
it's bad, then the whole world has to agree? puh lease
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Smith
If you run into one of those armed pilots, a Swiss Army knife isn't
going to cut it.
going to cut it.
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RA
The Swiss Army knife incident was long before they armed pilots. It was
during the frenzy of fear in October of 2001, when they had all the armed
National Guardsmen patroling the airports to make us feel safe. I keep
wondering, how would those guard guys recognize a bad guy and what would
they do if they saw one, open fire in a crowded airport? That didn't make me
feel safe. FYI, they now allow nail clippers.
during the frenzy of fear in October of 2001, when they had all the armed
National Guardsmen patroling the airports to make us feel safe. I keep
wondering, how would those guard guys recognize a bad guy and what would
they do if they saw one, open fire in a crowded airport? That didn't make me
feel safe. FYI, they now allow nail clippers.
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RA
Now I am wondering what happens when a pilot fires at a bad guy at 30,000
feet. That doesn't make me feel safe either.
feet. That doesn't make me feel safe either.
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Smith
What happens is the bad guy dies when the pilot fires, the crew and
all of the passengers are saved.
OTH, if the crew is unarmed, the bad guy wins and they all die. Now,
which airplane would you rather get on?????
all of the passengers are saved.
OTH, if the crew is unarmed, the bad guy wins and they all die. Now,
which airplane would you rather get on?????
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RA
What a nice and neat scenario. Problem solved.
Except....I have a feeling that a few bullets ripping through the skin
and/or vital operating parts or a fuel tank of a pressurized plane at 30,000
feet could possibly cause some problems. Also ricocheting bullets or bullets
going through the body of the bad guys into other things could be an issue.
Or are you suggesting the idea that the armed pilot would be such an expert
that he would be able to hit each bad guy dead on, no matter how many there
were or what tactics they were using?
Except....I have a feeling that a few bullets ripping through the skin
and/or vital operating parts or a fuel tank of a pressurized plane at 30,000
feet could possibly cause some problems. Also ricocheting bullets or bullets
going through the body of the bad guys into other things could be an issue.
Or are you suggesting the idea that the armed pilot would be such an expert
that he would be able to hit each bad guy dead on, no matter how many there
were or what tactics they were using?
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Mark Petersen
What a nice and neat scenario. Problem solved.
Except....I have a feeling that a few bullets ripping through the skin
and/or vital operating parts or a fuel tank of a pressurized plane at 30,000
feet could possibly cause some problems.
That's because you are probably not a commercial pilot. I am. Believe me, it
would take more than "a few bullets ripping through the skin" to knock a modern
airliner out of the sky. These aircraft are not exactly made out of glass, you
know. And the fuel tank would not be in range from the cockpit, and the only
place a pilot would need to defend with lethal force would be, the cockpit. I
am going to assume we stop a high-powered rifle from ever getting on board.
That would be a whole new ball game.
Also ricocheting bullets or bullets
going through the body of the bad guys into other things could be an issue.
Or are you suggesting the idea that the armed pilot would be such an expert
that he would be able to hit each bad guy dead on, no matter how many there
were or what tactics they were using?
Like somebody else said: Lose the cockpit; lose the entire ball of wax.
Everybody dies, including probably, a lot of people on the ground. Sure,
defending the cockpit could have some bad consequences. Life is not perfect,
you understand. Losing the cockpit loses the game. And there is no reset
button.
Mark
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Smith
Fuel tanks are not pressurized. A bullet would need to be of the
HEI type to likely ignite fuel (HEI is high-explosive incendiary for
the uninformed), and those are not available in pistol ammo. Bullets
do not ricochet through the body, especially when they are designed
to penetrate and stay, and that type is readily available to anyone.
That is the same type recommended for home protection, so you don't
shot through the intruder and wound your neighbor...you do have
something for home protection do you not?
A bullet through the fuselage skin would cause a very very slow loss
of pressurization, and the oxygen masks would automatically come
down for everyone to use if needed. The pilot could land anywhere
he chose if he could not safely proceed to his destination.
All critical parts are duplicated, at least. Lose one engine, you have
another. Lose one hydraulic system, you have another. Lose one
electrical system, you have another. Lose one fuel system, you have
another. Lose one pilot, you have another. Yes, the engineering has
been nice and neat, to assure you of a happy landing. You should not
live in fear, it's not good for you. But one last word of advice, if things
go awry, do not panic...you will just die ALL TENSED UP!
End of discussion, you've been plonked.
HEI type to likely ignite fuel (HEI is high-explosive incendiary for
the uninformed), and those are not available in pistol ammo. Bullets
do not ricochet through the body, especially when they are designed
to penetrate and stay, and that type is readily available to anyone.
That is the same type recommended for home protection, so you don't
shot through the intruder and wound your neighbor...you do have
something for home protection do you not?
A bullet through the fuselage skin would cause a very very slow loss
of pressurization, and the oxygen masks would automatically come
down for everyone to use if needed. The pilot could land anywhere
he chose if he could not safely proceed to his destination.
All critical parts are duplicated, at least. Lose one engine, you have
another. Lose one hydraulic system, you have another. Lose one
electrical system, you have another. Lose one fuel system, you have
another. Lose one pilot, you have another. Yes, the engineering has
been nice and neat, to assure you of a happy landing. You should not
live in fear, it's not good for you. But one last word of advice, if things
go awry, do not panic...you will just die ALL TENSED UP!
End of discussion, you've been plonked.
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RA
Whatever
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RA
All planes don't make happy landings and if every duplicated critical
function was failsafe, there would never be an airplane that crashed or was
blown out of the sky.
I never said fuel tanks are pressurized or that bullets ricochet through
bodies.
I don't live in fear and I fly often. Everyone will die one way or the
other, I don't worry about it.
Good thing you plonked me, you are starting to sound like you are losing
control.
function was failsafe, there would never be an airplane that crashed or was
blown out of the sky.
I never said fuel tanks are pressurized or that bullets ricochet through
bodies.
I don't live in fear and I fly often. Everyone will die one way or the
other, I don't worry about it.
Good thing you plonked me, you are starting to sound like you are losing
control.
R
RA
Exactly!
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Bruce Chambers
Greetings --
You're assuming that an otherwise untrained aircrew member is
going to hit only the "bad guy." Haven't you noticed that in gun
battles with "bad guys," even highly trained police officers (who are
not standing on a moving platform, btw) only hit the "bad guy" roughly
10% of the time? The rest of the shots go through walls, windows,
etc. Not a good thing at 30K feet.
Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH
You're assuming that an otherwise untrained aircrew member is
going to hit only the "bad guy." Haven't you noticed that in gun
battles with "bad guys," even highly trained police officers (who are
not standing on a moving platform, btw) only hit the "bad guy" roughly
10% of the time? The rest of the shots go through walls, windows,
etc. Not a good thing at 30K feet.
Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH
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markusD
Untrained your tail pipe. All of the pilots I know have owned and
operated fire arms since they were young. And they are much more
adept at hand-eye cooridantion than your average street cop, that's
just part of being an aviator. The 'flight deck' is a small space, and
frankly, I don't see how the pilot could miss at that range; he could
place the shot in the right eye, the left eye, the mouth, you name it.
The only 'moving platform' will be that of the falling terrorist. Even
if he did miss, the consequence wouldn't be nearly as catastrophic
as the alternative...no gun! What a bunch of worry warts, I suggest
that you 'take the bus.'
operated fire arms since they were young. And they are much more
adept at hand-eye cooridantion than your average street cop, that's
just part of being an aviator. The 'flight deck' is a small space, and
frankly, I don't see how the pilot could miss at that range; he could
place the shot in the right eye, the left eye, the mouth, you name it.
The only 'moving platform' will be that of the falling terrorist. Even
if he did miss, the consequence wouldn't be nearly as catastrophic
as the alternative...no gun! What a bunch of worry warts, I suggest
that you 'take the bus.'
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Guest
ROTFLMAO!!!
And you know every pilot in existence.
Just because the ones you know are crack shots and have
nerves of steel doesn't mean every pilot is that way.
I know quite a few pilots myself and I have no faith in
their expertise with a handgun. A couple have very little
experience, if any, with a handgun. And I don't care how
long they have "operated" firearms, I don't want to be
anywhere near those drunk NWA pilots either with a gun or
in a plane or both.
And just because someone asks a question doesn't mean he is
a worry wart. Sometimes people ask questions just to make
other people think outside their pea brains.
And you know every pilot in existence.
Just because the ones you know are crack shots and have
nerves of steel doesn't mean every pilot is that way.
I know quite a few pilots myself and I have no faith in
their expertise with a handgun. A couple have very little
experience, if any, with a handgun. And I don't care how
long they have "operated" firearms, I don't want to be
anywhere near those drunk NWA pilots either with a gun or
in a plane or both.
And just because someone asks a question doesn't mean he is
a worry wart. Sometimes people ask questions just to make
other people think outside their pea brains.
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rumbach
RA said:What a nice and neat scenario. Problem solved.
Except....I have a feeling that a few bullets ripping through the skin
and/or vital operating parts or a fuel tank of a pressurized plane at 30,000
feet could possibly cause some problems. Also ricocheting bullets or bullets
going through the body of the bad guys into other things could be an issue.
Or are you suggesting the idea that the armed pilot would be such an expert
that he would be able to hit each bad guy dead on, no matter how many there
were or what tactics they were using?
Without the guns for the pilots you are left with the problem that the people
onboard the plane that was intentionally crashed into the ground by the
passengers in Penn. If you are going to die how the heck does it matter how you die.
Just go down fighting.
You all seem to think is some politicaly correct stuff. Heck no, they want
to kill you, so it don't matter how you die, just go down fighting.
I want somebody, me or the pilot to fight for my life, if that is not possible
then we have to do what the people on that ill fated flight did.
Get a grip people, it's better to go down fighting then to do nothing at all.
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Steve N.
Bruce said:Greetings --
Isn't this the same "Big Brother" agency that, in its rampant
paranoia, deemed fingernail clippers to be dangerous weapons?
Bruce Chambers
It's just information.
Steve
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Steve N.
Leigha said:hahaha that was good...why is it if the US gov't says
it's bad, then the whole world has to agree? puh lease
Did you even read the article?
Steve
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