LOL --
Psst: Gordon-- the post although not worded optimally certainly made it
crystal clear that I knew the distinction between OE and Outlook.
Unfortunately I mentioned .dbx and left off .pst. But I gave Outlook it's
own sentence and you blew by it. You chose instead to think I didn't know
the diff between lol the two. What did you think the word Outlook meant in
an Outlook group?
You wrote:
If you're
accessing the Microsoft newsgroups through the MS Product Support
Services "Community Newsgroups" web interface, click
http://communities.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.asp?icp=InternetExplorer
Why would anyone want to access these groups via html web except that most
people are too lazy to figure out the 15 seconds to configure the NNTP
wizard and google or MSKB how to do it since for years those communities
have loaded pages slower than a one legged snail and the amount of messages
and features are horrendous compared to an NNTP reader, MSFT has been
asked to fix this awkward cumbersome systemic feature of communities and
refuses to respond and aren't they the makers of IE6/IE7?
Doesn't Dean Hachamovitch run the IE team and he's known about the dragging
only download
a few messages at a time IE interface of these communities and done nothing
for years, and isn't Peter Gurevich the Program Manager of IE and
responsible for all things rendered and displayed on the clunky web
interface of these communities that hasn't been fixed in years?
Isn't OE flawed and abandoned because it is a free app and money is where
MSFT's head is as far as support--of OE the bastard step child and Outlook
the cash cow?
Gordon sorry the words Outlook Express spook you into such a frenzy you
don't really answer the question and you were blinded from seeing the term
OUTLOOK. That'd be the subject of this group Gordon.
If you read the post again, you'll see that it was inclusive of both the
problem with OE--posted on the OE group and with OUTLOOK posted here as it
should have been.
Read the posts Gordon carefully before responding. I try when I help.
Had I asked simply how do I move my Outlook files to a new computer I might
have gotten four serious responses rather than a lecture and a response to
the ways I posed to share my files between two drives on a dual boot. I was
concerned about folders in Outlook and email in Outlook being seen on both
drives rather than having to copy emails to the accounts *with the same
email address set up in Outlook on each boot Windows and Vista.
Gordon did you look carefully at the post? In fact it read (although it
should have been written more precisely and no one should ever ask for help
without IDing the version of Windows and the version of Office or the office
app so sorry there: I wrote in fact specifically mentioning OUTLOOK TWICE
HERE:
********"I also want to do the same with Outlook.********
I'd appreciate knowning which is the optimal way to do this, since it seems
there are 3 ways and I suppose a 4th if you include backing up OE and OL. I
backed up both already to DVD with Win One Care.*********"
*Although I left out the term .pst I did mention Outlook* and this problem
is similar for what I want to do with OUTLOOK and OUTLOOK express but you
missed the word Outlook in my post. I intended to use the same post on an
Outlook and an Outlook express group to get the best method and sort the
potential methods from the respective help. Instead I got some tangent of a
lecture.
Gordon typed LOL to the 64th: (There seems to be an avidity more for a
pedantic/hectoring lecture from a very few people who help on the OL groups
than for substantive help)
"Firstly, this newsgroup is for support of Outlook
97/98/2000/2002/2003 from the Office suite of products. Outlook
Express is actually a separate program despite the similar name."
Firstly (LOL) Outlook was *explicitly* mentioned twice in that post. Anyone
reading would know I wanted to be able to see my OE mail and folders and my
Outlook mail and folders and only came to the OL group for help with OL
although the solutions may be similar among the .pst folders and the .dbx
folders and inboxes.
Gordon psst--I know the diff between OL and OE. Do you know the tight
connections between IE/Windows Explorer, OL and OE? There are many many of
them in the code.
Why are there two Outlook groups --one called OL and One called OL gen?
Why not merge them? One has
4745 posts and the other 115635 currently with the same MVPs supporting
both.
*Gordon I apologize. LOL I appreciate the lecture but you perceived my
question wrongly. I typed OE instead of OL and didn't mention .psts* It
drew a lecture worthy of a kid in the first grade starting on a pc.
Gordon's solution is to
thanks for at least *these 2 sentences* --this
much after not resisting the temptation to lecture someone who made a typo
omission and drew a day one beginner's lecture.)
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"set up a shared folder either in XP or Vista and point both instances of OE
to the same store folder. No need to burn, copy, or anything. as you can't
have both XP and Vista running at the same time, this solution would seem
to be ideal."
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Gordon when OL and OE are mediated via one ISP account, the mail hits both
of them at once after going throught the ISP server and will show first on
one of them depending on which you open up first. I had the issue of trying
to view my XP boot account and folders in both OE/Windows Mail soon in that
new OS and Outlook. I should have must made a conjoint post naming Outlook
and OE but I left that out along with the terms .pst and .dbx. Many
pardons.
When I posted I had in my mind to type a how do I get my Outlook mail and
files on the other drive with the other boot--those would be .pst folders.
I had in mind to post the same question to the OE group, with .dbx folders
in the post, but it didn't get typed that way. I also contemplated posting
to both with one post explaining exactly what I was doing hoping the OL
people would respond to OL folders getting on the other drive, and the OE
folders getting on the other drive.
When I left out the words Outlook, and .pst in this group it caused a
problem. It also drew a newbie "here's the start menu--this ain't no OE
group" lecture from Gordon instead of focusing on how I could get all my
Outlook mail and .pst folders ****best*** on my other boot. I thought
there would be ways to export the files. As in here
http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?kbid=287070
I had hoped if I posted in a group where OL enthusiasts, MVPs, and people
hung every day, I could sort out all the possible methods for the most
efficient and best practices. I have the books from posters here; I wanted
to sort them out. Years ago when I started helping in places that focus
on Windows, I hit as many MVP groups as I could and I'm familiar with the
OL MVP groups and the OE MVP groups and the Office and teams who own parts
of Outlook's blogs. Tom Koch by the way has a fine site that had not been
updated until very recently for years about four years or more.
I was tired from wrestling with drivers that don't want to work until a
certain OS RTMs which makes it very tough for those of us trying to make
said OS better with more features and bug fixes for Gordon and his company
and his family when they deploy it along with Office 12--trying to make sure
for example that the .xps printer actually works on documents and those
documents don't crash all the time with IE6 or IE7 and trying to find
drivers for printers to print them when large companies refuse to make them
until the last RTM minute.
I left out on point info. Sorry--I usually try to include that I'm on an
XPPSP2 box with MOS 03 and I was interested in finding/sorting through the
best way to get my Outlook email and folders onto my other boot in a dual
boot on one box. I should have mentioned I was trying to ***sort through
ways to back up .psts and/or export them and the operative word here was
SORT. I was hoping to get help in sorting and finding the best means from
the Outlook mavens here.
I was coming here looking for the best way to use my XP Outlook and I
mistyped OE--a thousand pardons and I left out the distinction of .pst files
and folders. I hoped to come here and get the best means of doing this
and to go to OE and get the best means of working with the .dbx's.
Tom Koch has a great site that I discovered years ago that he did not update
a scintilla until very recently *for years Gordon as far as the tech
component of it. Now Tom is updating it and responding to
Windows One Care which will be the same backup utility that matures in Vista
has a checkbox for OE and Outlook targeting the 75% of Windows desktop users
and Office users who *never backup.
I was interested in comparing export mechanisms and thought if there was
anywhere to get help with them it might be here or the duplicative other OL
group which has about 25% the volume posting.
I was also wondering what I could do using ***two profiles*** to be able to
receive email that comes to my Outlook account and Outlook Express account
(both get the emails of course from the ISP mediated account) I'd like to
merge the two Outlook accounts and maybe you 've shown me the best way to do
that.
Gordon are you sharing a loft with the Crabby Office lady? She helps and
doesn't pontificate. Did she boost you onto some preachy soap box? Did she
give you a boost onto that newbie lecture lol on the differences between OE
and Outlook. I've answered and found refs for a lot of OE and Outlook
forums over the years and am a little familiar with excellent resources.
I was trying to sort the way to share and view my Outlook email and my OE
email and their respective folders on the respective groups and left out
Outlook on this post.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/FX010857931033.aspx
Gordon how about the exporting of OL that you didn't mention in your once
sentence blurb or backing up ?
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HP030853561033.aspx
Isn't there an Outlook backup tool from MSFT and aren't there many others?
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...3a-b7d0-4b16-b8af-5a6322f4fd01&DisplayLang=en
Aren't there ways to export or backup as well? I was hoping to get guidance
to sort through them here.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/287070/en-us
Or in these
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/r...P,QZ,RC,TC,XT&Query=exporting+outlook&App=OLI helped on forums mostly for Windows for years Gordon and I do have downsome compares and contrasts among OL and OE. I have a lot of terrificsites incl Slipstick, Office Zealot, MSDN team blogs, MVP sites ,Diane,Patricia, Sue Mosher, (and have most of their books) RobertSparnaaij and his great site, and Brian Tillman's very helpful postsOffice maven sites,and Office and Outlook team blogs. Most of their booksare on the shelf andI read in them when I get time.I wanted to get some group fast sorts, but I can wade through Patricia andDiane's Que book and others.I also save many of these posts by dragging them to a folder including oneofMy OBG vintage Milly Staples--this one:
http://news.zdnet.com/5208-9588-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=13119&start=93I have learned to troll the Outlook MVP posts Outlook would be the MSFTcashcow that is very server interactive and more heavily supported. OE would bethe bastard step child that is actually part of IE and in fact is tightlycoded to Windows Explorer, IE, and there are many code ties for OE andOutlook. Some is the stuff of Sue Mosher's new book on Programming OL.OE or Windows Mail is the component that gets attention during a Beta of anOS--Vista and once Vista RTMS will be laid on the shelf to gather dust asfar as any MSFT improvements or responses to customer requests. That's whathappened during 98, 98SE, ME, NT, Win2k, XP and is sure to happen post VistaRTM until Blackomb/Vienna's beta cranks.If I'm not mistaken, OE aka the bastard step child of IE in Windows, hasbeen the target of many lobbying requests for improvement from the OE MVPsand all of the rest of us over the years who work with fixing OEandsometimes OL for people over the years.*A few and only a few of theserequests are incorporated in Windows Mailright now, the Vista sequel to OE. OE is the free one as opposed to thecash cow OL that is universal on the desktops of enterprises that interfaceswith Exchange and many other servers and accomplishes a broad range of tasksI think.Isn't OE the app that prompts people to compact on the Maintainance tab withnot a word of explanation or response from MSFT over the years while thereare 10-20 posts a day on the OE groups by OE MVPS that compacting whileusing the pc is the #1 cause of corrupt .dbx folders and corrupt inboxesand OE crashes in general? Tom Koch has preached against it and MSFT hasresponded while encouraging compacting that wrecks OE/Windows Mail more thanany other causehttp://
www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx#EZAACWhen BCM released it was simply an anemic mess MSFT didn't know what to dowith or how to support.I helped sort out some of the problems on that groupthat weren't beingsorted at the time. People were having trouble loading it into OL andmaking it work. MSFT still has no ideas what it's role should be.MSFT PSS-- (anything but MSFT) is an index of how MSFT perceives supporfromboxes sold --minimum waged butts in seats a horrendous Convergys of CincyOhio support contract that is the face of MSFT to the public whoaren'tenterprise license purchaser didn't have a clue. MSFT professes to havequality control over these people but they have no grip here whatsoever.It is a different planet than directly working with MSFT engineers who ownpart of Vista or Office on a bug issue, Don't bother saying you have nocontrol over it because it's an issue thathas been swept under the rug forway to long and many of us carry theburden of supporting whatever version ofWindows is out for the 5 year period XP/Vista/BlackcombVienna/Office10/11/12 and beyond without a scintilla of thanks from MSFT. MSFT has no viable phone support and people are way too lazy to use Helpand Support, any of the MSFT sitesincluding
http://microsoft.com and itsthousands of projeny or
http://office.microsoft.com where your home girl the Crabby lady hangs, orhttp://support.microsoft.com .A great symptom of that is a typical MSDNer who shows up on an XP chatasking a .net or C++ question who has never heard ofhttp://
www.gotdotnet.com/ , never uses the MSDN blogs, and has never foundthese groups and can't/won't use the simple 15 second wizard to downloadthem via NNTP. Those individuals in Bangalore, Chennai, Mumbai, New Delhiare equally challenged with the English language, Office, Windows, Outlookand BCM.That is a conscious choice by MSFT with full intent as Brad Smith and hishomboys would say, to not support 500 million XP and Office individualdesktop by PSS that none of their engineers or PMs ever wantto discuss or claim responsibility for. Convergys is hired at the lowestpossible rate to become what Shakespeare called a beard between Redmond andtheir end users so MSFT never has to hear from them.Call 'em and ck it out. It's a subject that no one wants to have mentionedor ever talk about and wants to pretend doesn't exist. MSFT support ishandled by free volunteers and I have been one and spent a lot of hoursdoing it.Whomever makes that decision hides better than Bin Laudin and one wondershow Steve Sinofsky will address it on his blog if given the chance. Thepeople who are painfully aware of this at MSFT choose to block it outoftheir world and shrug it off.Best,Chad HarrisPS I'm sure this'll wake upMilly for some perjorative lecture rather thanto focus on the problem whichis a letit one and was made clear--how to share an outlook profile or emailaddress among two drives with a dual bootand how to do it.MVPs who aren't entrenched don't like to bring it up, since everyonce in awhile LOL an MVP gets defrocked the next year for something he or she said.(Mostly hes). Best,Chad Harris.________________________________________________________________________________""Gordon" <
[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:
[email protected]...> Chad Harris wrote:>>> I have a dual boot of XPP SP2 on C:\ and Vista on E:\. I have Outlook>> Express accounts on both,>> Firstly, this newsgroup is for support of Outlook> 97/98/2000/2002/2003 from the Office suite of products. Outlook> Express is actually a separate program despite the similar name.>> For help with your OE questions, try an OE newsgroup such as> microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress (for OE 6), or> an OE help website such as
http://insideOE.tomsterdam.com. If you're> accessing the Microsoft newsgroups through the MS Product Support> Services "Community Newsgroups" web interface, click>
http://communities.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.asp?icp=InternetExplorer> to get to the Internet Explorer groups, then click the plus sign next to> your version of IE to see the link to the Outlook Express group for that> version number. Good luck!>>>> and what I would like to do is the most>> efficient way to import (have never done that) or burn by .dbx folders to>> DVD or zip them and email them so that if I can't merge the two OE mail>> accounts with>> same address via one ISP I could at least have them side by side.>> set up a shared folder either in XP or Vista and point both instances ofOE> to the same store folder. No need to burn, copy, or anything. as you can't> have both XP and Vista running at the same time, this solution would seem> to be ideal.>> --> Gordon Burgess-Parker> Interim Systems and Management Accounting>
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