Trying to get my head around IMAP

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Rojo Habe

My ISP have recently moved their servers to Gmail and Hence IMAP seems to be
the way to go in order to keep my email in sync on both my desktop and my
laptop. It's causing me a few headaches though, not least of which is the
following.

I've configured Outlook 2007 (SP2) to save my sent mail in the "Sent" folder
on the IMAP server, so that I can see my sent items from both machines.
This seems to work fine when composing new email from within Outlook itself,
by clicking the "New" button on the toolbar. If, however, I decided to send
from within another app, for example Word or Excel, using the Email button
on the QAT (or Office Orb|Send|Email), the message gets saved in my local
"Sent Items" folder, meaning I have to manually move it to the server. I'm
not even sure if this is an Outlook, Office or Windows issue (I'm using
Vista Ultimate SP2) but is this normal? If so, is there any way around it?
 
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Gordon

Rojo Habe said:
My ISP have recently moved their servers to Gmail and Hence IMAP seems to
be the way to go in order to keep my email in sync on both my desktop and
my laptop. It's causing me a few headaches though, not least of which is
the following.

I've configured Outlook 2007 (SP2) to save my sent mail in the "Sent"
folder on the IMAP server, so that I can see my sent items from both
machines. This seems to work fine when composing new email from within
Outlook itself, by clicking the "New" button on the toolbar. If, however,
I decided to send from within another app, for example Word or Excel,
using the Email button on the QAT (or Office Orb|Send|Email), the message
gets saved in my local "Sent Items" folder, meaning I have to manually
move it to the server. I'm not even sure if this is an Outlook, Office or
Windows issue (I'm using Vista Ultimate SP2) but is this normal? If so,
is there any way around it?

This is normal. I don't know if there is a workaround....
 
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Sue Mosher [MVP]

The mechanism used to send a file from Excel or Word isn't aware of the full
contents of Outlook and, therefore, cannot save a message to the IMAP folder.
You have three choices:

a) Continue as you've been doing.
b) Don't use the Word and Excel feature to send documents. Create the
message in Outlook first, and then attach the document.
c) Write VBA macros that use Outlook objects to send the document as an
attached file, as at
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...read/thread/5716059a30ff6006/be0b7d6d18869476
 
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Brian Tillman [MVP-Outlook]

My ISP have recently moved their servers to Gmail and Hence IMAP seems to be
the way to go in order to keep my email in sync on both my desktop and my
laptop. It's causing me a few headaches though, not least of which is the
following.

That's one way. You can use POP as well if you leave messages on the server
when you download them. The only loss is the Sent Items folder, but you can
do that with rules.
I've configured Outlook 2007 (SP2) to save my sent mail in the "Sent" folder
on the IMAP server, so that I can see my sent items from both machines. This
seems to work fine when composing new email from within Outlook itself, by
clicking the "New" button on the toolbar. If, however, I decided to send
from within another app, for example Word or Excel, using the Email button
on the QAT (or Office Orb|Send|Email), the message gets saved in my local
"Sent Items" folder, meaning I have to manually move it to the server. I'm
not even sure if this is an Outlook, Office or Windows issue (I'm using
Vista Ultimate SP2) but is this normal? If so, is there any way around it?

It's a programming interface issue. Calling Outlook from other programs
doesn't give you access to the full panoply of features that using the Outlook
GUI allows. The Sent Items folder is one.
 
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Rojo Habe

Hmmm....

Option c just flew straight over my head! Might it be possible instead to
write an autoexec macro in Outlook that copies the contents of Sent Items to
[Gmail]/Sent Mail. I think I might find that a bit easier to get to grips
with, although that would require manually triggering or restarting Outlook,
so maybe I'm not onto a winner there. My prior experience with VBA consists
only of data manipulation within Excel.

Maybe I should just stick to option b. The only trouble with that is I keep
sending people empty emails because I've forgotten to attach the file!!

I have to say, I'm thinking of migrating to Thunderbird at this point (yes,
I know an Outlook newsgroup is not the place to mention such things).
That's what I'm currently using on my laptop and it does seem to put things
in the correct folder, although it's not without its own weird quirks and
seems more prone to crashing.
 
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Rojo Habe

That's one way. You can use POP as well if you leave messages on the
server when you download them. The only loss is the Sent Items folder,
but you can do that with rules.

Yeah, they've "enhanced" the POP interface, too, which means you have to
put the word "recent:" in front of your username and then it'll download
the last thirty days worth (the first time you do it) onto each client.
The messages stay on the server regardless of whether or not you
configure your client to delete them. The upshot is that all manner of
weird things happen, depending on the client, from messages disappearing
without trace once they've been read to items refusing to be deleted no
matter what, or even more inconsistent weirdness. That's why I decided
to give IMAP a try (although for an IMAP first-timer this is proving to
be even weirder). Plus, as you said, you don't have access to your Sent
Items wherever you go, although in the past I've gotten around that by
BCCing myself and manually copying it to the Sent folder once it comes
in. I was just looking for a more elegant solution.
 
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Diane Poremsky [MVP]

You need to use the program that meets *your needs* - if its t-bird, so be
it. Outlook is not a very good imap client anyway...

But, if you choose outlook, my preference would be Option A - continue the
same as currently. Then I'd either manually move the sent items daily (or
weekly) or see if autoarchive could be used to archive the sent folder to
the imap sent folder. I haven't tried it, so it might not work - it might
not "see" the IMAP folders.

(In reality, since I use Auto-Mate to move messages after a period of time,
I'd see if it would move the messages in the Sent folder to the IMAP
folders.)


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Rojo Habe said:
Hmmm....

Option c just flew straight over my head! Might it be possible instead to
write an autoexec macro in Outlook that copies the contents of Sent Items
to [Gmail]/Sent Mail. I think I might find that a bit easier to get to
grips with, although that would require manually triggering or restarting
Outlook, so maybe I'm not onto a winner there. My prior experience with
VBA consists only of data manipulation within Excel.

Maybe I should just stick to option b. The only trouble with that is I
keep sending people empty emails because I've forgotten to attach the
file!!

I have to say, I'm thinking of migrating to Thunderbird at this point
(yes, I know an Outlook newsgroup is not the place to mention such
things). That's what I'm currently using on my laptop and it does seem to
put things in the correct folder, although it's not without its own weird
quirks and seems more prone to crashing.


Sue Mosher said:
The mechanism used to send a file from Excel or Word isn't aware of the
full
contents of Outlook and, therefore, cannot save a message to the IMAP
folder.
You have three choices:

a) Continue as you've been doing.
b) Don't use the Word and Excel feature to send documents. Create the
message in Outlook first, and then attach the document.
c) Write VBA macros that use Outlook objects to send the document as an
attached file, as at
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...read/thread/5716059a30ff6006/be0b7d6d18869476
--
Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
Author of Microsoft Outlook 2007 Programming:
Jumpstart for Power Users and Administrators
http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=54
 
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Rojo Habe

For the record I've decided POP is the lesser of two weevils. I'm using the
"recent:" method I described in my last post; everything sent from my laptop
is BCC'd to me and on my desktop machine I've got a rule set up to move
anything from myself straight into the Sent Items folder, marking it as read
in the process. I was looking for a condition saying "where my name is in
the Bcc box" as a belt-n-braces check (in case I send myself an email for
some other reason) but it doesn't seem to appear in the lest, so I've
settled on "unless my name is in the To of Bcc box".

It's automatically ticked "on this machine only" but I'm not sure what that
does. Is it important?

The only thing I'm missing out on is I don't have access to all my Sent
Items on the laptop but if I use the rule in both directions some nasty
duplication loops might start occurring.
 
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Brian Tillman [MVP-Outlook]

Yeah, they've "enhanced" the POP interface, too, which means you have to put
the word "recent:" in front of your username and then it'll download the
last thirty days worth (the first time you do it) onto each client. The
messages stay on the server regardless of whether or not you configure your
client to delete them.

This is really not in conformance with POP standards and it's not how gmail
POP works for me. There should be an option in the POP setup that allows you
to have the server work in a more standard fashion. I know I don't have to
add "recent". Log into gmail via a web browser, click Settings, then "Forward
and POP/IMAP". You should be able to click a radio button labeled "Enable POP
for all mail (even mail that's already been downloaded)" and it will allow you
to download all mail in the Inbox. You should also make sure the "When
messages are accessed via POP" drop-down says "keep Gmail's copy in the
Inbox".
The upshot is that all manner of weird things happen, depending on the
client, from messages disappearing without trace once they've been read to
items refusing to be deleted no matter what, or even more inconsistent
weirdness. That's why I decided to give IMAP a try (although for an IMAP
first-timer this is proving to be even weirder). Plus, as you said, you
don't have access to your Sent Items wherever you go, although in the past
I've gotten around that by BCCing myself and manually copying it to the
Sent folder once it comes in. I was just looking for a more elegant
solution.

As long as you use the Outlook client interface itself to send the messages,
the Sent Items folder will work correctly. As soon as you use the programming
interface, the Sent Items don't get migrated. I'd create a rule that moves
all messages to the server-side Sent Items folder and manually run it on the
Sent Items folder periodically.
 
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Guest

Brian Tillman said:
This is really not in conformance with POP standards and it's not how
gmail POP works for me. There should be an option in the POP setup that
allows you to have the server work in a more standard fashion. I know I
don't have to add "recent". Log into gmail via a web browser, click
Settings, then "Forward and POP/IMAP". You should be able to click a
radio button labeled "Enable POP for all mail (even mail that's already
been downloaded)" and it will allow you to download all mail in the Inbox.
You should also make sure the "When messages are accessed via POP"
drop-down says "keep Gmail's copy in the Inbox".


As long as you use the Outlook client interface itself to send the
messages, the Sent Items folder will work correctly. As soon as you use
the programming interface, the Sent Items don't get migrated. I'd create
a rule that moves all messages to the server-side Sent Items folder and
manually run it on the Sent Items folder periodically.

Hi,

I've been following this because I just spent three days and nights trying
to get Outlook (2002SP3) to download recent mail from my 'ntl migrated to
virgin migrated to google' mailbox. On 23 May send/receive just went into
mad mode downloading ~450 old messages at a time (taking half an hour each
time), and sending phantom mail that wasn't in the outbox. After round the
clock downloading and deleting of duplicates, it suddenly started working
again this afternoon. My question about this on their online 'help forum'
was not answered.

Which still leaves me the problem of the 'sent items'. From looking at
other threads on the forum it appears that the 'sent items' folder at google
is not really a folder but a filter from which items are deleted after 90
days. Something which fills me with alarm for our record keeping! So, even
here, among the experts, it seems the view is that one has to copy
everything to oneself and then filter it to get a proper sent and receive
record, in a proper folder!

Oops, but I'm forgetting, Outlook's 'sent items' isn't really a folder
either: the only real one being Outlook.pst! Come back Outlook Express, all
is forgiven!

Good luck: and make sure you back up that old ntuser.dat, and your psts, or
one day it's all all gone...

S
 
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Brian Tillman [MVP-Outlook]

Oops, but I'm forgetting, Outlook's 'sent items' isn't really a folder
either: the only real one being Outlook.pst! Come back Outlook Express, all
is forgiven!

The Sent Items folder is as real as any other folder in Outlook. The PST is a
database that contains records organized by keys, just like any other database
and Outlook presents those keys as folders. It's as valid a presentation as
WIndows itself uses. The disk metastructures are just a database that allows
the operating system to locate the data on the disk and Windows presents the
database as a set of folder files containing other files, but in reality,
there is no such thing as a file within another file. Folders are just
collections of pointers that indicate where on the disk the data resides.

Outlook 2002/2003 don't do as good of a job with IMAP as Outlook 2007. At
least with Outlook 2007 you don't need a rule to place your outgoing messages
in the server's Sent Items folder . None of those earlier versions does as
good of a job with IMAP as Outlook 2010.
 
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Guest

Brian Tillman said:
The Sent Items folder is as real as any other folder in Outlook. The PST
is a database that contains records organized by keys, just like any other
database and Outlook presents those keys as folders. It's as valid a
presentation as WIndows itself uses. The disk metastructures are just a
database that allows the operating system to locate the data on the disk
and Windows presents the database as a set of folder files containing
other files, but in reality, there is no such thing as a file within
another file. Folders are just collections of pointers that indicate
where on the disk the data resides.

Outlook 2002/2003 don't do as good of a job with IMAP as Outlook 2007. At
least with Outlook 2007 you don't need a rule to place your outgoing
messages in the server's Sent Items folder . None of those earlier
versions does as good of a job with IMAP as Outlook 2010.

Thanks for the extra detail Brian.

Have I got this right: If we upgrade to 2007 (I assume 2010 won't work with
our XPPro SP3):

a) messages sent from Outlook will appear in sent items on both client and
server
b) messages composed and sent from the web interface will appear in sent
items in Outlook as well as on server
c) messages in sent items on server will remain in sent items on server
until *we* decide to move or delete them
d) messages deleted from sent items/inbox on server will *not* disappear
from sent items/inbox on client.

I suspect the last point might be the difficult one, even if the rest are
correct. We would probably still need to transfer sent items to a local
'folder' to be sure of keeping a record.

The 'folderness' of folders on the other hand is semantics that is missing
my point. In your terms: if 'The Sent Items folder is as real as any other
folder in Outlook', then the sent items folder of Outlook Express is an
order of magnitude 'realer' than the one in Outlook. In Outlook, a slight
glitch with ntuser.dat and you lose the lot and have a major recovery
problem. In OE individual dbx 'folders' can be damaged, but I've never had
the catastrophic loss that follows on a simple message that 'Outlook is
rebuilding your profile.' (Yes I have had 'compaction' errors, but the
recovery of relatively small dbxs is a whole lot easier than huge psts!)
Having experienced that once, I personally, would never use it again, and it
is a pain to have to be extra vigilant to see that my partner's Outlook - on
which her livelihood depends - is proofed against any further such losses.
(I still haven't recovered her 2007 'inbox' mail, though, thankfully, Google
Desktop, still 'remembers' it.)

Regards,
S
 
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Brian Tillman [MVP-Outlook]

Have I got this right: If we upgrade to 2007 (I assume 2010 won't work with
our XPPro SP3):

Outlook 2010 works just fine on WIndows XP Pro.
a) messages sent from Outlook will appear in sent items on both client and
server
b) messages composed and sent from the web interface will appear in sent
items in Outlook as well as on server
c) messages in sent items on server will remain in sent items on server
until *we* decide to move or delete them

This three are true.
d) messages deleted from sent items/inbox on server will *not* disappear
from sent items/inbox on client.

This is false. IMAP is a two-way protocol. Whatever happens on the server
gets synched with the client and vice versa at each send/receive. Delete
something in either place and the other will see it gone, albeit with a delay,
usually. Even if you were to connect to the IMAP mailbox from another PC
using, say, Thunderbird as the IMAP client, if you delete something from Sent
Items, Outlook will see it go away at its next send/receive.
I suspect the last point might be the difficult one, even if the rest are
correct. We would probably still need to transfer sent items to a local
'folder' to be sure of keeping a record.
Yes.

The 'folderness' of folders on the other hand is semantics that is missing
my point. In your terms: if 'The Sent Items folder is as real as any other
folder in Outlook', then the sent items folder of Outlook Express is an
order of magnitude 'realer' than the one in Outlook.

Hardly. It's just a file named Sent Items.dbx with a pointer to it in
Folder.dbx.
In Outlook, a slight glitch with ntuser.dat and you lose the lot and have a
major recovery problem.

Glitches in NTUSER.DAT won't touch anything in a PST. What will happen,
though, is that the association between the PST and the IMAP account will be
broken and it's problematic with an IMAP PST. If you copy the items you don't
wish to lose to a local PST and make periodic backups (simply by copying while
Outlook is closed) of that PST, you're no more likely to lose anything from a
PST than you are a DBX file. Profiles and PSTs are not synonymous.

The loss of an IMAP PST is far less catastrophic than, say, a PST fed by a POP
account. The IMAP server contains the data still, unless you've deleted it,
and you can blow away the PST completely and Outlook will simply rebuild it
when you connect to the mailbox again.
In OE individual dbx 'folders' can be damaged, but I've never had the
catastrophic loss that follows on a simple message that 'Outlook is
rebuilding your profile.' (Yes I have had 'compaction' errors, but the
recovery of relatively small dbxs is a whole lot easier than huge psts!)
Having experienced that once, I personally, would never use it again, and it
is a pain to have to be extra vigilant to see that my partner's Outlook - on
which her livelihood depends - is proofed against any further such losses.
(I still haven't recovered her 2007 'inbox' mail, though, thankfully, Google
Desktop, still 'remembers' it.)

PST files are no more vulnerable that any other type of file, including DBX
files. Backups are your weapon against data loss in all events. If your
partner isn't doing backups, then your partner is saying that his data isn't
important enough to worry about.
 
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Rojo Habe

Have I got this right: If we upgrade to 2007 (I assume 2010 won't
work with our XPPro SP3):

a) messages sent from Outlook will appear in sent items on both
client and server b) messages composed and sent from the web
interface will appear in sent items in Outlook as well as on server
c) messages in sent items on server will remain in sent items on
server until *we* decide to move or delete them d) messages deleted
from sent items/inbox on server will *not* disappear from sent
items/inbox on client.

I suspect the last point might be the difficult one, even if the rest
are correct. We would probably still need to transfer sent items to
a local 'folder' to be sure of keeping a record.

Not quite. As you've surmised, I also have an ntlworld account, and as
far as I can tell you should have no problems unless you're trying to
access your mail from more than one client. If all you have is your
home PC you shouldn't need to make any changes. If, like me, you need
access on more than one device (e.g. laptop, phone, desktop etc) then it
becomes more complicated. You have to decide whether to stick with POP
or change to IMAP. It's actually possible to have both, and use IMAP on
one machine and POP on another, but trust me, you don't want to do this.

If you choose IMAP it's actually best to keep all your mail on the
server. You can create the same folder structure you had within your
Outlook Personal Folders. I found this confusing because whatever
client I used would also try to create its own folders when I set up the
account. So I ended up with a Sent folder as well as a [Gmail]/Sent
Mail folder and different clients would use different folders, plus the
problem I originally started this thread with, which meant my sent mail
ended up in three different places. Provided you catch this early on
and get rid of folders you don't need, you can have ALL your mail on the
server and thus accessible from any device. You can then set Outlook to
auto-archive these folders in the normal fashion so that anything over a
certain age gets saved to a separate .pst file on your home PC.

Or you can use POP on multiple devices. Virgin have introduced what
appears to be a unique feature (as Brian points out, it's not part of
the normal Gmail setup) whereby you add the word "recent:" in front of
your username. Do this on each client and the next time you log onto
the server it'll retrieve all your mail for the last thirty
days(including stuff you've already had); after this initial download,
each client will receive all your mail as independently of the others.
You can for instance receive an email on your laptop and delete it, and
when you get home and check your mail you'll receive it again on that
machine. Once you've deleted (or moved) a message, you won't receive it
again on that device, but you will on a device that hasn't received it
yet. This actually works quite well after the initial deluge of mail,
and deals with everything other than the sent mail problem. My solution
was to treat my home PC as the master, on which I need a record of
everything, and sacrifice the ability to see all my sent mails on the
laptop or phone (I don't want them clogging up my phone anyway). My
phone has a "send to self" option, which is essentially a BCC to my own
email address. On my laptop I use Thunderbird, which also has an option
to BCC everything to myself. From the Webmail intercace I can't see a
way of automating it btu just click "Add Bcc" and put your own email
address in he box that appears. All of this does mean that on the
laptop and phone I receive a copy of everything I send but I just delete
them. On my machine at home running Outlook 2007 I have an Inbox rule
set to move anything from myself into the Sent Items folder and mark it
as read. You could also set up a rule in Outlook to BCC yourself and
then have them moved into the sent items on the mobile devices too, but
then you'd have messages from yourself which the inbox rule would
automatically move to Sent Items, creating a duplicate.

That's a lot of waffle, especially if you don't have multiple clients,
in which case you didn't need to read past the first paragraph. To
quickly answer your points in turn:

a) No. Depending how you have it set up, they'll either go to the
server-side Sent folder or the local Sent Items folder. This can be
manipulated within Outlook using rules
b) No. Only the server. If you set Outlook up using IMAP you'll have
access to this folder from within Outlook.
c) As far as I know, this is the case. Only items marked for deletion
or moved to the [Gmail]/Bin folder will be deleted. Makes no difference
which version of Outlook you're using.
d) This seems to be the case for me. Again, depends whether you're POP
or IMAP as to what we're actually talking about. If you're set up as
IMAP you'll have local and server-side versions of these folders and
will have to get your head around which is which.
 
R

Rojo Habe

This is really not in conformance with POP standards and it's not how
gmail POP works for me. There should be an option in the POP setup that
allows you to have the server work in a more standard fashion. I know I
don't have to add "recent". Log into gmail via a web browser, click
Settings, then "Forward and POP/IMAP". You should be able to click a
radio button labeled "Enable POP for all mail (even mail that's already
been downloaded)" and it will allow you to download all mail in the
Inbox. You should also make sure the "When messages are accessed via
POP" drop-down says "keep Gmail's copy in the Inbox".

Hi Brian

Thanks once again for your advice. Although Virgin Media are now using
Gmail as their email service I can't actually log in at Gmail.com; I
still have to log onto viginmedia.com and it's evident there are subtle
differences in their implementation. The settings you mentioned are
avialble, however, and are enabled by default. For some reason
appending "recent:" to the user name does seem necessary for proper
operation otherwise things seem to vanish after you've read them and
logged out (on any particular client). This seems unique to Virgin
Media but once you get the hang of it...

Anyway, I'm pretty much sorted now, thanks (using POP3). For more
details see my reply to spamlet's post.
 
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Brian Tillman [MVP-Outlook]

Thanks once again for your advice. Although Virgin Media are now using
Gmail as their email service I can't actually log in at Gmail.com; I still
have to log onto viginmedia.com and it's evident there are subtle
differences in their implementation. The settings you mentioned are
avialble, however, and are enabled by default. For some reason appending
"recent:" to the user name does seem necessary for proper operation
otherwise things seem to vanish after you've read them and logged out (on
any particular client). This seems unique to Virgin Media but once you get
the hang of it...

Anyway, I'm pretty much sorted now, thanks (using POP3). For more details
see my reply to spamlet's post.

How odd. I guess Virgin Media is taking the same type of path that AT&T and
British Telecom took and farming our its mail service (to Yahoo! in the AT&T
and BT cases). At least with Yahoo I can log into the normal online Yahoo
portal with my AT&T credentials and see the mailbox.

Well, if you're satisfied, so am I.
 
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Guest

Brian Tillman said:
Outlook 2010 works just fine on WIndows XP Pro.


This three are true.


This is false. IMAP is a two-way protocol. Whatever happens on the
server gets synched with the client and vice versa at each send/receive.
Delete something in either place and the other will see it gone, albeit
with a delay, usually. Even if you were to connect to the IMAP mailbox
from another PC using, say, Thunderbird as the IMAP client, if you delete
something from Sent Items, Outlook will see it go away at its next
send/receive.


Yes.

Thanks. May as well stick with pop for now then.
Hardly. It's just a file named Sent Items.dbx with a pointer to it in
Folder.dbx.

'Hardly' yourself: it is infinitely smaller with a tiny fraction of the
losable stuff that is 'just' in Outlook.pst!

Glitches in NTUSER.DAT won't touch anything in a PST. What will happen,
though, is that the association between the PST and the IMAP account will
be broken and it's problematic with an IMAP PST. If you copy the items
you don't wish to lose to a local PST and make periodic backups (simply by
copying while Outlook is closed) of that PST, you're no more likely to
lose anything from a PST than you are a DBX file. Profiles and PSTs are
not synonymous.

But your average user will have no idea where his/her account has gone after
Outlook has kindly built them a new profile.
The loss of an IMAP PST is far less catastrophic than, say, a PST fed by a
POP account. The IMAP server contains the data still, unless you've
deleted it, and you can blow away the PST completely and Outlook will
simply rebuild it when you connect to the mailbox again.

Yes that is a positive, but then one you are committed to hundreds of
gigabites held somewhere on line you are a bit stuffed if you ever want to
move it or have your own record of it.

PST files are no more vulnerable that any other type of file, including
DBX files. Backups are your weapon against data loss in all events. If
your partner isn't doing backups, then your partner is saying that his
data isn't important enough to worry about.

Nay it's muggins here that has to do all the back ups, which is why I get
pretty p'd when ISPs start shunting stuff around without me asking them to.
Especially when it means redownloading thousands of old messages and then
deleting them with a duplicates removal programme before I finally get at
the recent ones!

Anyhow, thanks for sharing the thread and filling me in on some IMAP stuff I
was unfamiliar with.

Cheers,

S
 

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