TrueImage 9 makes sector images - was "Disk defragmentation - is it worth it?"


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Curious George

-> In response to the terminal stupidity in the above mentioned
thread, here is the question I posed to Acronis:
I was hoping you could explain what changes, if any, may have been
designed into the "original disk imaging backup option" listed in
True Image (TI) 9 Home. I'm wondering if the terminology has been
changed from "sector-level disk imaging approach" because it has
changed to a file-level disk imaging design (like Ghost).

I also have heard that TI9Home will restore system files first, so a
restored system volume will run faster. Is this true? Is this
further evidence that the disk imaging design has changed
radically? Or has the same TI engine/platform just become much more
sophisticated?

Finally, if there have been significant low-level design changes, are
disk images from prior versions of TI Compatible with TI 9 Home?

Thank you.


-> & here is the official Acronis response. I hope the group may find
it useful to relieve some confusion created by their new marketing
terminology as well as that previous thread.



Thank you for your interest in Acronis True Image 9.0
(http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/).

Please note that the unique technology developed by Acronis and
implemented in Acronis True Image Home allows you to create exact,
sector-by-sector disk backups, including all operating systems,
applications and configuration files, software updates, personal
settings and all of your data.
I also have heard that TI9Home will restore system files first, so a
restored system volume will run faster. Is this true?

Acronis True Image uses sector-by-sector snapshot
Yes, Acronis True Image 9.0 now has Acronis Snap Restore - exclusive
Acronis feature provides lightning-speed restore of your PC from an
image. You can start working in seconds while your system is still
being restored.

When the restoration procedure is started Acronis True Image 9.0 finds
the sectors in the image, containing system files, and restores these
sectors first. Thus, the OS is restored and can be started in a very
short run.

Additional information can be found in the Chapter 1.5 "What is
Acronis Snap Restore?" in the Acronis True Image User Guide which is
available at http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/download/docs/
Is this further evidence that the disk imaging design has changed radically? Or
has the same TI engine/platform just become much more sophisticated?

Acronis True Image 9.0 uses the same approach to the image creation -
sector-by-sector snapshot of the disk - as the previous versions of
the program.

Acronis True Image 9.0 has several new features:
- Acronis Snap Restore - You can start working in seconds while your
system is still being restored
- Files and folders backup with filtering
- Differential backup
- User-editable default backup settings
- Manage System Restore tool – Turning on/off the Windows native
System Restore tool directly from Acronis True Image
- Context Help
- Improved interface and performance.

Please find the full list of Acronis True Image 9.0 features at
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/features.html
Finally, if there have been significant low-level design changes, are
disk images from prior versions of TI Compatible with TI 9 Home?

Please note that the current version of Acronis True Image 9.0 support
image archives created with older or special editions of the program.

Please download Acronis True Image 9.0 trial version at
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/download/trueimage/ in order to
check how the product works.

The limitations of Acronis True Image 9.0 trial version are that you
can only restore the image when you run the program from the bootable
media. It is fully functional in Windows. The trial version
evaluation period is 15 days.

If you would like to order your software before the trial period ends,
please visit the Acronis online store at
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/sales/online/

If you have any questions concerning our software, please feel free to
contact us at your earliest convenience with the details and we will
do our best to help you as soon as possible.

You are welcome to submit your comments on Acronis Customer Service.
Your
feedback is very important for us. You can send your comments to
(e-mail address removed) or fill the form at
https://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/my/support/?ab=3.

Thank you.
--
Best regards,
Aleksandr Isakov

Acronis, Inc.
395 Oyster Point Blvd., Suite 115
South San Francisco, CA 94080 USA
http://www.acronis.com/my/support/
 
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Beemer Biker

Curious George said:
-> In response to the terminal stupidity in the above mentioned
thread, here is the question I posed to Acronis:



-> & here is the official Acronis response. I hope the group may find
it useful to relieve some confusion created by their new marketing
terminology as well as that previous thread.



Thank you for your interest in Acronis True Image 9.0
(http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/).


I didnt know they had 9 out yet. Just went there and saw they wanted $29
for an upgrade plus I read where they have a plugin for BartPE, didnt know
about that either.

I didnt see anything about getting a free upgrade seeing as we bought about
40 copies of their corporate plus one enterprise version just before 9 came
out.


SNIP
Best regards,
Aleksandr Isakov

Acronis, Inc.
395 Oyster Point Blvd., Suite 115
South San Francisco, CA 94080 USA
http://www.acronis.com/my/support/

I talked to Aleks (pretty sure it was him) about 9 months ago on the phone
and was told I could get a site license. When our purchasing dept contacted
them in november they denied they ever had a site license. Their product is
excellent IMHO. The latest verison of Nero comes with some type of backup
package. Havent looked into it to see what it does. Nero's download is
already running 100+ mg and Acronis is at 39mb. They must have incredible
bandwidth over there in europe, I thought they were still in the dark ages
and using 28.8k modems.




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http://ResearchRiders.org Ask about my 99'R1100RT
http://TipsForTheComputingImpaired.com
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Rod Speed

Stupid George said:
here is the question I posed to Acronis:

Talk about stupid. ITS COMPLETELY TRIVIAL TO PROVE THE
QUESTION BEING DISCUSSED, WHETHER RESTORING AN IMAGE
WILL ACHIEVE A DEFRAG. YOU TRY A RESTORE, ****WIT.

Corse it is, Acronis lists that feature on their web site, ****wit.

No one ever said that, ****wit.

Clearly if its doing the restore by file, THAT WILL ACHIEVE A DEFRAG,
****WIT.

Absolutely classic example of stupid questions that dont allow those
receiving the questions to have any idea of what you want to know about.
-> & here is the official Acronis response. I hope the group
may find it useful to relieve some confusion created by their
new marketing terminology as well as that previous thread.

Wota ****ing wanker.
Thank you for your interest in Acronis True Image 9.0
(http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/).
Please note that the unique technology developed by Acronis
and implemented in Acronis True Image Home allows you to
create exact, sector-by-sector disk backups, including all
operating systems, applications and configuration files,
software updates, personal settings and all of your data.

Irrelevant to the defrag question being discussed.
Acronis True Image uses sector-by-sector snapshot
Yes, Acronis True Image 9.0 now has Acronis Snap Restore
- exclusive Acronis feature provides lightning-speed restore
of your PC from an image. You can start working in
seconds while your system is still being restored.
When the restoration procedure is started Acronis True
Image 9.0 finds the sectors in the image, containing
system files, and restores these sectors first. Thus,
the OS is restored and can be started in a very short run.

And it cant actually restore them by sector when the restore
is to a smaller partition that the image was created from.
Additional information can be found in the Chapter 1.5 "What is Acronis
Snap Restore?" in the Acronis True Image User Guide which is available
at http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/download/docs/

And you were too stupid to even read that before asking the question.
Acronis True Image 9.0 uses the same approach to
the image creation - sector-by-sector snapshot of the
disk - as the previous versions of the program.

Irrelevant to whether a restore will achieve a defrag.
Acronis True Image 9.0 has several new features:
- Acronis Snap Restore - You can start working in
seconds while your system is still being restored
- Files and folders backup with filtering
- Differential backup
- User-editable default backup settings
- Manage System Restore tool - Turning on/off the Windows native
System Restore tool directly from Acronis True Image
- Context Help
- Improved interface and performance.
Please find the full list of Acronis True Image 9.0 features at
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/features.html
Please note that the current version of Acronis True Image 9.0 support
image archives created with older or special editions of the program.

You clearly just got the usual canned response.
Please download Acronis True Image 9.0 trial version at
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/download/trueimage/
in order to check how the product works.
The limitations of Acronis True Image 9.0 trial version
are that you can only restore the image when you run the
program from the bootable media. It is fully functional
in Windows. The trial version evaluation period is 15 days.
If you would like to order your software before the trial
period ends, please visit the Acronis online store at
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/sales/online/
 
C

Curious George

Rod, You're truly pathetic.

I'm surprised you can still type with all that egg dripping all over
your keyboard and into your computer (as in another terminally stupid
move of yours you leave the box open - & contradict yourself when you
try to explain why).

Really you should be spending this time washing all those huge beach
towels you're going through.


If you, or anyone else bothers to test a restore you will find that by
default the restored volume will have identical fragmented files that
are fragmented identically to the source. Truimage is a little
different than most other sector images because by default they also
make an effort to consolidate free space even if you are not restoring
to a smaller partition. If you did do a cursory test (doubtful
though) that is probably what's confusing you. That's the point of
the supported vs. unsupported - it's not a matter of backing up files.
It's a matter of moving relevant sectors intelligently and cleaning
along the way. It can't do that if it doesn't know the filesystem or
it is corrupt (hence the raw sector-by-sector uncompressed backup
mode).

This behavior goes back to ver 6x (the first I tested). There was an
instance in testing where the last process of restore was interrupted
& the result was a restored volume that was identical to the source.
When allowing the whole procedure to finish the result is like all
other versions - almost contiguous data that is identically fragmented
as the source. Sorry but it WILL NOT do a file-level defragment like
Ghost's _default_ behavior. (Ghost's neutered troubleshooting/
failsafe sector-mode is as irrelevant as you are). Anyone with a copy
can do the test and confirm this. Anyone can bring this question to
Acronis for confirmation.

You're still dripping egg. Time to reapply those towels.
 
C

Curious George

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:10:55 -0600, "Beemer Biker"

I didnt know they had 9 out yet. Just went there and saw they wanted $29
for an upgrade plus I read where they have a plugin for BartPE, didnt know
about that either.

I didnt see anything about getting a free upgrade seeing as we bought about
40 copies of their corporate plus one enterprise version just before 9 came
out.

9 is & isn't the current version. Right now 8 is the current version
for Corporate Workstation, Server, & Enterprise Server Versions. 9 is
current for the Home version only. 9 looks very good for a home user
who has not yet fully invested in working backup apps. 9 will not
meet your corporate needs just yet. An upgrade to 9 Enterprise Server
or 9 Corporate Workstation is not yet available.
SNIP


I talked to Aleks (pretty sure it was him) about 9 months ago on the phone
and was told I could get a site license. When our purchasing dept contacted
them in november they denied they ever had a site license. Their product is
excellent IMHO. The latest verison of Nero comes with some type of backup
package. Havent looked into it to see what it does. Nero's download is
already running 100+ mg and Acronis is at 39mb. They must have incredible
bandwidth over there in europe, I thought they were still in the dark ages
and using 28.8k modems.

AFAIK they prefer "volume licensing."
 
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Rod Speed

<reams of its desperate attempts to bullshit its way out of its predicament
that fools absolutely no one at all, as always, flushed where it belongs>
If you, or anyone else bothers to test a restore you will find that
by default the restored volume will have identical fragmented
files that are fragmented identically to the source.

Thanks for that completely superfluous
proof that you havent actually tried it.
Truimage is a little different than most other sector images
because by default they also make an effort to consolidate
free space even if you are not restoring to a smaller partition.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
That's the point of the supported vs. unsupported - it's not a
matter of backing up files. It's a matter of moving relevant
sectors intelligently and cleaning along the way. It can't do
that if it doesn't know the filesystem or it is corrupt (hence
the raw sector-by-sector uncompressed backup mode).

Irrelevant to what happens with a restore
with a file system it does understand, ****wit.
This behavior goes back to ver 6x (the first I tested). There was an
instance in testing where the last process of restore was interrupted
& the result was a restored volume that was identical to the source.
When allowing the whole procedure to finish the result is like all
other versions - almost contiguous data that is identically fragmented
as the source. Sorry but it WILL NOT do a file-level defragment like
Ghost's _default_ behavior.

Have fun explaining how the Snap Restore which clearly
must be restoring on a file basis to restore the important
files first wont produce a defrag in the process of that restore.

You clearly havent actually tested whether 9 does a defrag
because you admit you dont even have it, ****wit.
 
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Rod Speed

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind the entirely appropriate
Stupid George <[email protected]> desperately attempted to bullshit its way
out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
 
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Beemer Biker

Curious George said:
Rod, You're truly pathetic.

I'm surprised you can still type with all that egg dripping all over
your keyboard and into your computer (as in another terminally stupid
move of yours you leave the box open - & contradict yourself when you
try to explain why).

Really you should be spending this time washing all those huge beach
towels you're going through.

You are mistaken, Rod has no beach towels. There is plenty of sand in the
outback, but little water and no beach whatsoever.



--
=======================================================================
Beemer Biker (e-mail address removed)
http://ResearchRiders.org Ask about my 99'R1100RT
http://TipsForTheComputingImpaired.com
=======================================================================
 
C

Curious George

You are mistaken, Rod has no beach towels. There is plenty of sand in the
outback, but little water and no beach whatsoever.

& doubtful he bathes either so he has no bath towels either. No
wonder he's such a filthy pig that he's desensitized to shit flowing
from his mouth and egg dripping from his face.
 
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Harkhof

Acronis True Image 9.0 has several new features:
- Acronis Snap Restore - You can start working in seconds while your
system is still being restored
- Files and folders backup with filtering
- Differential backup
- User-editable default backup settings
- Manage System Restore tool - Turning on/off the Windows native
System Restore tool directly from Acronis True Image


Heh! Having used TI since v7, I guesss I never noticed the S.R. Management
tool. I just jumped into the new versions and started using. Very handy
utility, given that it saves you about 80 mouse clicks. It always irked me
that MS made changing S.R. config so tedious.

Hark



<snip>
 
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Harkhof

Rod Speed said:
Talk about stupid. ITS COMPLETELY TRIVIAL TO PROVE THE
QUESTION BEING DISCUSSED, WHETHER RESTORING AN IMAGE
WILL ACHIEVE A DEFRAG. YOU TRY A RESTORE, ****WIT.

Why would a reader go any further than this? Vulgarity and insults are the
refuge of the fool. Even if you do have something accurate or informative to
say, I don't want to hear it simply by virtue of your approach. A little
self examination may reveal that you have some growing up to do.

I, for one, found this and the origianl thread informative, even if it did
sink to the level of childish pettiness. Tip: Exposing your issues for the
world to see not only does nothing to help your argument, it defeats it
without the benefit of a full hearing.

Hark
 
R

Rod Speed

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind the entirely appropriate
Stupid George <[email protected]> desperately attempted to bullshit its way
out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
 
R

Rod Speed

Why would a reader go any further than this? Vulgarity and insults are
the refuge of the fool.

Why would a reader go any further than this?
Only fools operate that superficially. You qualify.
Even if you do have something accurate or informative to say, I don't
want to hear it simply by virtue of your approach.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
irrelevant. What you might or might not want to hear in spades.

<reams of your mindlessly silly shit flushed where it belongs>
 
H

Harkhof

Rod Speed said:
Why would a reader go any further than this?
Only fools operate that superficially. You qualify.


You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
irrelevant. What you might or might not want to hear in spades.

<reams of your mindlessly silly shit flushed where it belongs>

You truly are just a little bundle of issues, aren't you? Listen up instead
of attacking, 'Rod'. You might just learn something (although your behavior
would suggest otherwise...).
 
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Rod Speed

You truly are just a little bundle of issues, aren't you?

No need to ask if you are a terminal ****wit. Stands out like dogs balls.
Listen upinstead of attacking, 'Rod'.

Go and **** yourself, again.
You might just learn something

No chance of that with fools like you.
(although your behavior would suggest otherwise...).

No one actually gives a flying red **** what you would prefer to read,
****wit.
 

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