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And that is why most of them ate NOT installing SP2 at this time!
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Art
Miss Perspicacia Tick said:Methinks you need to purchase a dictionary. Let me give you a little lesson
in word definition
*Smart* /adj/ clever, witty, astute or shrewd
If I had been smart I wouldn't have installed SP2 in the first place.
Now if you can tell me that failing to prepare a system before installing a
Service Pack makes one 'clever, astute, or shrewd' then you're either
stupid - or a liar. Removing a SP is equally not smart.
If you fail to prepare - prepare to fail. I didn't and - guess what?! - I
have zero problems. OK, I had a problem with Nero, but that wasn't caused by
SP2, it was caused by my lack of updating. For a smooth installation of SP2
it is necessary to do the following: -
1) Defrag the hard drive
2) Scan for viruses
3) Scan for spy/malware
4) Make sure all your software is updated
5) Make sure you have the latest drivers for all your hardware
6) Disable your AVP/firewall before installation
If you can't be arsed to do that, then don't come whining here when you have
problems. Microsoft even spells it out for you: -
What to Know (and Do) Before You Download and Install Windows XP Service
Pack 2
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/sp2_whattoknow.mspx
Just to clarify, do you think the only way someone could have problems with
SP2 is if they hadn't prepared there system properly before installing it?
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Art
Ted Zieglar said:With that attitude, there's really nothing else to say except good luck to
you, my friend. You're going to need lots of it.
Ted Zieglar
Ok, thanks.
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bullwinkel J. Moose
An excellent program to update by. Whether it's MS or any other major
installation.
installation.
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cquirke (MVP Win9x)
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:19:27 +0100, "Miss Perspicacia Tick"
You're being rather presumtuous, assuming that if the OP had adverse
mileage with SP2, it must have been user failure on his side.
FYI, there are several system particularities that can cause SP2 to go
very pear-shaped indeed. Even MS would acknowledge that.
That's not the only reason it worked for you. It's like throwing
darts at a dart board; mostly the darts stick just fine, but sometimes
they hit the wire and bounce off. Maybe your PC is like the big broad
20-point strip and OP's was like the little triple-20 band? YMMV.
-3) Make sure this doesn't apply to you...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/sp2intel.htm
....as well as other known caveats
-2) Make sure your hardware is sound
-1) Make sure you are free of active malware
0) Make sure your PC is running properly, free HD space OK
They didn't exactly spell out the Prescott factor, and even if you
read (5) as "let's get the latest BIOS", you may still NOT have been
OK for an SP2 install.
There's good reason to NOT make a whole lot of other system changes,
e.g. new BIOS and drivers, at the same time as SP2; muddied
troubleshooting if things go wrong (is it the new BIOS, or is it SP2?)
Please, folks - inscribe this on your forehead:
"I will NOT install a SP on a sick PC, hoping it will fix it!"
That is the real, indefensible, inexcusable stupidity.
Now if you can tell me that failing to prepare a system before installing a
Service Pack makes one 'clever, astute, or shrewd'
You're being rather presumtuous, assuming that if the OP had adverse
mileage with SP2, it must have been user failure on his side.
FYI, there are several system particularities that can cause SP2 to go
very pear-shaped indeed. Even MS would acknowledge that.
If you fail to prepare - prepare to fail. I didn't and - guess what?! - I
have zero problems.
That's not the only reason it worked for you. It's like throwing
darts at a dart board; mostly the darts stick just fine, but sometimes
they hit the wire and bounce off. Maybe your PC is like the big broad
20-point strip and OP's was like the little triple-20 band? YMMV.
For a smooth installation of SP2
it is necessary to do the following: -
-3) Make sure this doesn't apply to you...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/sp2intel.htm
....as well as other known caveats
-2) Make sure your hardware is sound
-1) Make sure you are free of active malware
0) Make sure your PC is running properly, free HD space OK
1) Defrag the hard drive
2) Scan for viruses See (-1), do before (1)
3) Scan for spy/malware See (-1), do before (1)
4) Make sure all your software is updated
5) Make sure you have the latest drivers for all your hardware
6) Disable your AVP/firewall before installation
Microsoft even spells it out for you: -
They didn't exactly spell out the Prescott factor, and even if you
read (5) as "let's get the latest BIOS", you may still NOT have been
OK for an SP2 install.
There's good reason to NOT make a whole lot of other system changes,
e.g. new BIOS and drivers, at the same time as SP2; muddied
troubleshooting if things go wrong (is it the new BIOS, or is it SP2?)
Please, folks - inscribe this on your forehead:
"I will NOT install a SP on a sick PC, hoping it will fix it!"
That is the real, indefensible, inexcusable stupidity.
Never turn your back on an installer program--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -
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cquirke (MVP Win9x)
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:42:50 -0700, "Kent W. England [MVP]"
Why not? That's what we've been expected to do since 2001 ;-)
To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...
Rather than research and fix his SP2 problems, Art has decided to forego
the security features of SP2 and all future XP "reloaded" releases and
trust to luck and his innate computer skills to avoid malicious software
and future problems with Windows.
Why not? That's what we've been expected to do since 2001 ;-)
Tip Of The Day:-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...
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Guest
How is that a flaw? In the 6 months or whatever that the windows patches are
released, driver and software vendors will also have released patches to
their software. He can download them when he upgrades. The SP2 of today will
be the same of SP2 in the next year, but there will be hotfixes available to
solve the problem (we hope!), and during the waiting time, he can use the
computer (albeit less securely) without problems. Not having SP2 does not
guarantee that you will be a victim of security, and having it does not
guarantee that you will be safe. It just improves your chances (and from the
sounds of it, his chances have played out for him in his current
configuration).
released, driver and software vendors will also have released patches to
their software. He can download them when he upgrades. The SP2 of today will
be the same of SP2 in the next year, but there will be hotfixes available to
solve the problem (we hope!), and during the waiting time, he can use the
computer (albeit less securely) without problems. Not having SP2 does not
guarantee that you will be a victim of security, and having it does not
guarantee that you will be safe. It just improves your chances (and from the
sounds of it, his chances have played out for him in his current
configuration).
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Guest
Won't have anything to do with MS? How can you be sure of that? How can a
computer detect an attitude and crash accordingly? If he suspects MS problems
and waits for MS patches, that will not increase his non-MS issues.
computer detect an attitude and crash accordingly? If he suspects MS problems
and waits for MS patches, that will not increase his non-MS issues.
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Guest
PMSL!! Well said Rocky! Couldn't have put it better myself!
Because you are too arrogant in believing SP2 is perfect. It is an
improvement, but again it is NOT perfect.
Because you are too arrogant in believing SP2 is perfect. It is an
improvement, but again it is NOT perfect.
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Miss Perspicacia Tick
Giga said:Because you are too arrogant in believing SP2 is perfect. It is an
improvement, but again it is NOT perfect.
Er, excuse me?! Where did I state that "SP2 is perfect"? I have never stated
that, nor will I state that, because I know that it isn't. There are certain
types of CPU it doesn't like (Prescotts being the model cited most often).
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Carl G
You are probably one out of one million people that would wear gogles and
gloves to solder pipes.
gloves to solder pipes.
J
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
He never said anything to suggest he was going to research.
Simply waiting for the patches will not be enough.
Simply waiting for the patches will not be enough.
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Guest
Er, excuse me?! Where did I state that "SP2 is perfect"? I have never stated
If you know that it isn't perfect, why do you always defend SP2 and say it
is the end users fault? In some cases, yes it is, but not in all cases. You
don't need to be so aggressive on this stance. Instead of blaming them, ask
what they did and offer suggestions. You seem to be frustrating a lot of OPs
that ask for help.
that, nor will I state that, because I know that it isn't. There are certain
types of CPU it doesn't like (Prescotts being the model cited most often).
If you know that it isn't perfect, why do you always defend SP2 and say it
is the end users fault? In some cases, yes it is, but not in all cases. You
don't need to be so aggressive on this stance. Instead of blaming them, ask
what they did and offer suggestions. You seem to be frustrating a lot of OPs
that ask for help.
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Guest
Actually, he said he did research for the latest 3rd party drivers and
updates. I assume (correctly I hope) that he will do the same next time he
tries SP2. You are correct in that he did not explicitly state that he will,
but it was implied.
updates. I assume (correctly I hope) that he will do the same next time he
tries SP2. You are correct in that he did not explicitly state that he will,
but it was implied.
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yeloduke
If you can't be 'arsed' to do that, then don't come whining here when you
have
problems. Microsoft even spells it out for you: -
Freudian Slip
Spell check missed that one. Ha Ha
have
problems. Microsoft even spells it out for you: -
Freudian Slip
Spell check missed that one. Ha Ha
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Lou
If you know that it isn't perfect, why do you always defend SP2 and say it
is the end users fault? In some cases, yes it is, but not in all cases. You
don't need to be so aggressive on this stance. Instead of blaming them, ask
what they did and offer suggestions. You seem to be frustrating a lot of OPs
that ask for help.
She heasn't helped anybody to date. Why would you expect her to start with this
subject?
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Guest
She heasn't helped anybody to date. Why would you expect her to start with
this
Good point.
this
subject?
Good point.
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