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[Linea Recta]

What's the point of having one setting in Windows Explorer: 'Hide system
files', and then another setting at the bottom: 'Show hidden files and
folders'? Finally, are they hidden or are they not hidden?
Also, how do these settings affect the display of files as seen from
internet sources?


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[Dave Patrick]

'hidden' and 'system' are two completely separate attributes.

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[Sam]

What's the point of having one setting in Windows Explorer: 'Hide system
files', and then another setting at the bottom: 'Show hidden files and
folders'? Finally, are they hidden or are they not hidden?
Also, how do these settings affect the display of files as seen from
internet sources?

Again, I was going to answer but I don't support the rudeness of
crossposting.

 

[Linea Recta]

Again, I was going to answer but I don't support the rudeness of
crossposting.

Rudeness? What in gods name are you talking about?



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[Rich Greenberg]

What's the point of having one setting in Windows Explorer: 'Hide system
files', and then another setting at the bottom: 'Show hidden files and
folders'? Finally, are they hidden or are they not hidden?
Also, how do these settings affect the display of files as seen from
internet sources?

System and hidden are two seperate and independant attributes. A given
file can have neither, either, or both.

 

[Gary Smith]

Again, I was going to answer but I don't support the rudeness of
crossposting.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with crossposting a message to a small
number of carefully selected newsgroups. What's rude is multiposting --
the posting of separate copies of the same message independently to
multiple newgroups. Doing that fragmenats discussions and wastes
everyone's time. Crossposting to to a small number of relevant newsgroups
does neither.

 

[Hairy One Kenobi]

What's the point of having one setting in Windows Explorer: 'Hide system
files', and then another setting at the bottom: 'Show hidden files and
folders'? Finally, are they hidden or are they not hidden?

They're two different things - one refers to a file attribute ("system"),
and the other refers to thinks like the Windows directory and (IIRC - I
always turn it off) DLLs.

The latter is a defence mechanism against users who think "I've never used
that, so I'll delete it" and then find that their system doesn't seem to
work any more..

Also, how do these settings affect the display of files as seen from
internet sources?

Unrelated.

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[Linea Recta]

They're two different things - one refers to a file attribute ("system"),
and the other refers to thinks like the Windows directory and (IIRC - I
always turn it off) DLLs.

The latter is a defence mechanism against users who think "I've never used
that, so I'll delete it" and then find that their system doesn't seem to
work any more..

Hahaha! Well, I never "maintain" my system that way...

Unrelated.

Right, thanks.
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[Mark-Allen]

Hmm.... it took me a moment to figure this one out.... I think.

If you're talking about going to Windows Explorer, Tools, Folder Options then there are two similar but very DIFFERENT selections.

The first is "Hidden Files and Folders". The second is "Hide protected operating system files (Recommended)"

"Hidden Files and Folders" apply to the basic directory and file attributes which can be managed by ATTRIB.

"protected operating system files" are what are sometimes called "super protected" or "super hidden" files that MS has placed a special attribute on that need this switch turned on to see them. It is normally set to hide them but sometimes (and be careful here) it is needed.

From: http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/ArticleID/8149/8149.html by Bob Chronister.

"Windows 2000 (Win2K) hides Super Hidden Files from the user even more deeply than the OS hides regular hidden files. For example, if you enable the ability to view hidden files and folders in Windows Explorer, Super Hidden Files will remain hidden. The Super Hidden File status is for folders such as the Cmdcons folder, which the Emergency Recover console uses."

Hope this helps.


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What's the point of having one setting in Windows Explorer: 'Hide system
files', and then another setting at the bottom: 'Show hidden files and
folders'? Finally, are they hidden or are they not hidden?
Also, how do these settings affect the display of files as seen from
internet sources?


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[Linea Recta]

Hi Mark-Allen,


So in fact there seem to be two kinds of "hidden" files.


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"Mark-Allen" <mark-allen@mvps_dot_org> schreef in bericht Hmm.... it took me a moment to figure this one out.... I think.

If you're talking about going to Windows Explorer, Tools, Folder Options then there are two similar but very DIFFERENT selections.

The first is "Hidden Files and Folders". The second is "Hide protected operating system files (Recommended)"

"Hidden Files and Folders" apply to the basic directory and file attributes which can be managed by ATTRIB.

"protected operating system files" are what are sometimes called "super protected" or "super hidden" files that MS has placed a special attribute on that need this switch turned on to see them. It is normally set to hide them but sometimes (and be careful here) it is needed.

From: http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/ArticleID/8149/8149.html by Bob Chronister.

"Windows 2000 (Win2K) hides Super Hidden Files from the user even more deeply than the OS hides regular hidden files. For example, if you enable the ability to view hidden files and folders in Windows Explorer, Super Hidden Files will remain hidden. The Super Hidden File status is for folders such as the Cmdcons folder, which the Emergency Recover console uses."

Hope this helps.


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Mark-Allen Perry
ALPHA Systems, Switzerland
mark-allen AT mvps DOT org

What's the point of having one setting in Windows Explorer: 'Hide system
files', and then another setting at the bottom: 'Show hidden files and
folders'? Finally, are they hidden or are they not hidden?
Also, how do these settings affect the display of files as seen from
internet sources?


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[Mark-Allen]

Well, yes but most of the admins I know use the terms, "hidden" to mean the ATTRIB-settable files, and "protected" to mean the "super-hidden" files. It keeps everyone clear about which files we're talking about.

One uses normal file/dir attributes, the other Windows alones has control of.

Hope this helps.

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ALPHA Systems, Switzerland
mark-allen AT mvps DOT org

Hi Mark-Allen,


So in fact there seem to be two kinds of "hidden" files.


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"Mark-Allen" <mark-allen@mvps_dot_org> schreef in bericht Hmm.... it took me a moment to figure this one out.... I think.

If you're talking about going to Windows Explorer, Tools, Folder Options then there are two similar but very DIFFERENT selections.

The first is "Hidden Files and Folders". The second is "Hide protected operating system files (Recommended)"

"Hidden Files and Folders" apply to the basic directory and file attributes which can be managed by ATTRIB.

"protected operating system files" are what are sometimes called "super protected" or "super hidden" files that MS has placed a special attribute on that need this switch turned on to see them. It is normally set to hide them but sometimes (and be careful here) it is needed.

From: http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/ArticleID/8149/8149.html by Bob Chronister.

"Windows 2000 (Win2K) hides Super Hidden Files from the user even more deeply than the OS hides regular hidden files. For example, if you enable the ability to view hidden files and folders in Windows Explorer, Super Hidden Files will remain hidden. The Super Hidden File status is for folders such as the Cmdcons folder, which the Emergency Recover console uses."

Hope this helps.


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Mark-Allen Perry
ALPHA Systems, Switzerland
mark-allen AT mvps DOT org

What's the point of having one setting in Windows Explorer: 'Hide system
files', and then another setting at the bottom: 'Show hidden files and
folders'? Finally, are they hidden or are they not hidden?
Also, how do these settings affect the display of files as seen from
internet sources?


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[Hairy One Kenobi]

Again, I was going to answer but I don't support the rudeness of
crossposting.

a) Such behaviour is indicative of small, stocky, folk found under fictional
bridges

b) *on-Charter* cross-posting has its place, as it allows answers in *one*
thread, rather than multiple people not seeing others' answers.
Multi-posting fragments a thread and - hence - wastes a lot of peoples'
time. Which is why, in the limited time I've spent on Usenet (a decade) it's
frowned-upon.

Perhaps you need to (i) get a bit more experience on Usenet, (ii) butt in
less, particularly when you are unable to actually /help/, or (iii) both ;o)

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