Times New Roman

[Lew]

The following is a post from a year ago I copied/pasted. I've since
discovered it's not just Eudora. I didn't receive an answer then. Maybe
I'll get one this time:


I posted yesterday that replies from people using Eudora come back in
a different font (Times New Roman) than I sent them out. I've
researched and discovered this article.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;223878

Outlook changes the font to Times New Roman 10pt whenever a message
changes from Plain Text to HTML even if it isn't the default HTML
font. Somewhere in the process of send/receive/reply/receive this
must be happening. I'm sure this has been addressed here before since
the article is for OL2000, but I've been using Eudora so this is the
first time I've run into it.

Microsoft acknowledged this problem in OL2000 over a year ago but it's
still there in OL2003. Is Microsoft working on this? If so, do they
have a solution other than "You must manually change the font back"?

Is there a workaround or add-in to fix this? It wouldn't be so bad
but I HATE Times New Roman!

Thanks in advance.

Lew

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

Perhaps it is up to Eudora to change it?

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After furious head scratching, Lew asked:

| The following is a post from a year ago I copied/pasted. I've since
| discovered it's not just Eudora. I didn't receive an answer then.
| Maybe I'll get one this time:
|
|
| I posted yesterday that replies from people using Eudora come back in
| a different font (Times New Roman) than I sent them out. I've
| researched and discovered this article.
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;223878
|
| Outlook changes the font to Times New Roman 10pt whenever a message
| changes from Plain Text to HTML even if it isn't the default HTML
| font. Somewhere in the process of send/receive/reply/receive this
| must be happening. I'm sure this has been addressed here before since
| the article is for OL2000, but I've been using Eudora so this is the
| first time I've run into it.
|
| Microsoft acknowledged this problem in OL2000 over a year ago but it's
| still there in OL2003. Is Microsoft working on this? If so, do they
| have a solution other than "You must manually change the font back"?
|
| Is there a workaround or add-in to fix this? It wouldn't be so bad
| but I HATE Times New Roman!
|
| Thanks in advance.
|
| Lew

 

[Lew]

Perhaps it is up to Eudora to change it?

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, Lew asked:

| The following is a post from a year ago I copied/pasted. I've since
| discovered it's not just Eudora. I didn't receive an answer then.
| Maybe I'll get one this time:
|
|
| I posted yesterday that replies from people using Eudora come back in
| a different font (Times New Roman) than I sent them out. I've
| researched and discovered this article.
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;223878
|
| Outlook changes the font to Times New Roman 10pt whenever a message
| changes from Plain Text to HTML even if it isn't the default HTML
| font. Somewhere in the process of send/receive/reply/receive this
| must be happening. I'm sure this has been addressed here before since
| the article is for OL2000, but I've been using Eudora so this is the
| first time I've run into it.
|
| Microsoft acknowledged this problem in OL2000 over a year ago but it's
| still there in OL2003. Is Microsoft working on this? If so, do they
| have a solution other than "You must manually change the font back"?
|
| Is there a workaround or add-in to fix this? It wouldn't be so bad
| but I HATE Times New Roman!
|
| Thanks in advance.
|
| Lew

Read my post. I said it's not just Eudora. I send messages in plain text
and when some people reply, it comes back Times New Roman regardless of my
settings.

It doesn't happen with Eudora or Thunderbird. This is a Microsoft problem.
I use software that only integrates with Outlook, so I'll continue using
it. It's only a minor irritant anyway. I just wonder why Microsoft can't
or doesn't fix it.

Lew

 

[Brian Tillman]

Read my post. I said it's not just Eudora. I send messages in plain
text and when some people reply, it comes back Times New Roman
regardless of my settings.

Since you sent a plain text message, you supplied NO formatting information.
They replied and their mail client changed it to HTML, added formatting
which your client is obeying. How can this be laid at Outlook's feet?

 

[Lew]

Since you sent a plain text message, you supplied NO formatting information.
They replied and their mail client changed it to HTML, added formatting
which your client is obeying. How can this be laid at Outlook's feet?

That's just it. It isn't obeying the other client's formatting. I know, I
tested it. I send an email to myself at a different address. My receiving
email client is Eudora. Eudora's default HTML font is 10 pt. Tahoma, as is
Outlook's. I reply and it comes back Times New Roman. If I SEND an email
from Eudora to Outlook, I get 10pt. Tahoma. If I REPLY from Eudora to
Outlook, it comes back Times New Roman. Some other email clients give the
same result when replying to messages sent from Outlook.

This can't be that hard to understand. Outlook 2003 seems to have a hard
time with formatting when changing from plain text to HTML (see the article
I mentioned in my original post). For example, my default HTML font is
Tahoma. Nowhere in my settings are the words "Times New Roman." If I
start composing an email in plain text and change to HTML before sending,
the font changes to Times New Roman, not Tahoma.

Like I said, this is not a big deal, but the problem does exist and can be
demonstrated time and again. I just want to know if there is a fix. It's
curious how the replies vigoriously defend Outlook but don't attempt to
answer my question.

Lew

 

[Brian Tillman]

That's just it. It isn't obeying the other client's formatting. I
know, I tested it. I send an email to myself at a different address.
My receiving email client is Eudora. Eudora's default HTML font is
10 pt. Tahoma, as is Outlook's. I reply and it comes back Times New
Roman.

Click Tools>Options>Mail Format>Fonts and examine the "when composing" and
"when replying" drop-downs. I suspect you have Tahoma in one and Times in
the other.

 

[Lew]

Click Tools>Options>Mail Format>Fonts and examine the "when composing" and
"when replying" drop-downs. I suspect you have Tahoma in one and Times in
the other.

No, all 3 font options (composing, replying, plain text) are Tahoma. All
Eudora fonts are Tahoma.

 

[Guest]

Lew, I am in full agreement with you. I had the problem in OL97 and now the
same in OL2003. I have tried to purge the hated Times New Roman out of
Outlook to no avail, working through all options and defaults as suggested
above. When replying to RTF and HTML email it still defaults to Times New
Roman. Yuck!

 

[shiraz]

Outlook changes the font to Times New Roman 10pt whenever a message
changes from Plain Text to HTML even if it isn't the default HTML
font.

This bug is still present in Outlook unfortunately...

Yesterday, I installed a new PC, with the latest updated editions of Windows
XP and Office 2003.
I installed all updates from the Microsoft Office update website.

I can confirm that this bug is indeed still around.

Even though my 'compose' and 'reply' fonts are all set to a font different
than Times New Roman (it's Trebuchet in my case), whenever I reply to a
plain text message and then go to menu Format/HTML, the font is reset by
Outlook to "Times New Roman 10".

I researched the internet and their seems to be no solution for this bug.

The fastest workaround for me, after I changed the format to HTML, is to go
to the Format/Style menu and to choose "Normal" instead of "Paragraph" from
the list of styles. This reverts the message font to the compose font set in
Outlook Mail Format font options.

I suspect the bug has something to do with the definition of the styles as
set in the Format/Style menu.
If there would be a place where we could edit the default parameters of
those styles, in particular the definition of the style for "Paragraph",
then perhaps we could find a solution.

Any ideas?

 

[Lew]

On 01 Jan 2006, shiraz wrote in

This bug is still present in Outlook unfortunately...

Yesterday, I installed a new PC, with the latest updated
editions of Windows XP and Office 2003.
I installed all updates from the Microsoft Office update
website.

I can confirm that this bug is indeed still around.

Even though my 'compose' and 'reply' fonts are all set to a font
different than Times New Roman (it's Trebuchet in my case),
whenever I reply to a plain text message and then go to menu
Format/HTML, the font is reset by Outlook to "Times New Roman
10".

I researched the internet and their seems to be no solution for
this bug.

The fastest workaround for me, after I changed the format to
HTML, is to go to the Format/Style menu and to choose "Normal"
instead of "Paragraph" from the list of styles. This reverts the
message font to the compose font set in Outlook Mail Format font
options.

I suspect the bug has something to do with the definition of the
styles as set in the Format/Style menu.
If there would be a place where we could edit the default
parameters of those styles, in particular the definition of the
style for "Paragraph", then perhaps we could find a solution.

Any ideas?

I don't think it's the styles. The style "Paragraph" uses the
default compose font normally. In your workaround, choosing
Paragraph (even though it's already chosen) instead of Normal will
also restore the font.

I think the problem is Microsoft HTML. For example, I get HTML
emails from a particular source that sometimes get filtered as junk.
Outlook changes them to plain text. When I change them back to HTML,
the hyperlinks don't work. On the ones that don't get tagged as
junk, they work fine. I'm not a programmer, but I would guess that
Microsoft uses their own version of HTML that is different than what
the rest of the world uses.

 

[Diane Poremsky [MVP]]

that is a different problem - http://www.outlook-tips.net/howto/phishing.htm
answers the problem. If the links still don't work after enabling them, it's
because they were formatted to look like links but not actually hyperlinked.
http://www.outlook-tips.net/archives/2004/20041007.htm. if you look at the
source, you can see if they have href's embedded.

if they begin with blocked::, it's a security measure.
http://www.slipstick.com/mail1/blocked.htm

 

[Lew]

On 01 Jan 2006, Diane Poremsky [MVP] wrote in

that is a different problem -
http://www.outlook-tips.net/howto/phishing.htm answers the
problem. If the links still don't work after enabling them, it's
because they were formatted to look like links but not actually
hyperlinked.
http://www.outlook-tips.net/archives/2004/20041007.htm. if you
look at the source, you can see if they have href's embedded.

if they begin with blocked::, it's a security measure.
http://www.slipstick.com/mail1/blocked.htm

Thanks for the correction on the hyperlink problem. I'm still not
sure why some wind up in Junk and some don't. I'm still waiting for
someone to explain the HTML/Times New Roman issue.

 

[Diane Poremsky [MVP]]

Thanks for the correction on the hyperlink problem. I'm still not

sure why some wind up in Junk and some don't. I'm still waiting for
someone to explain the HTML/Times New Roman issue.

I'm still looking into the html problem - but the junk filter looks at a
number of things in the message (Bayesian method) to determine if it's spam,
including message size. A short message is more likely to be identified as
junk, with or without other junk attributes.