Ticking or clicking sound in playback

G

Guest

There is a ticking or clicking sound in playback in Movie Maker and when
recorded to VCD at a certain pitch. There is audio and music involved.

I did try to redo the capturing of video and sometimes it will get rid of
the ticking. It does not make that sound while the video is being captured.
The sound is annoying and ruins a good video.

Does anyone know why it does that and how to rectify the problem?
Thank you for your help.
 
J

John Kelly

Hello,

Short of an electrical fault, there is a good chance your microphone is picking
up the noise from the tape drive/motor....you would notice it if the recording
is taking place in a very quiet environment......DO NOT try to clean or
otherwise touch in any way the internal workings of the camera....one possible
solution would be to purchase higher quality tapes and to run a head cleaner in
the camera on a regular basis...I do that after every two hours of tape
roughly.

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G

Guest

The audio/music was recorded from the camcorder. There was not an external
microphone involved in any the processes.

I have the camcorder plugged into a surge protector.

I tried using the high resolution option in the capture process but the
ticking or clicking sound in playback is still there...just a little fainter.

In response to cleaning the heads, I have a Sony DCR-TRV460 Digital8
camcorder. I've used two Sony MP120 tapes and the balance were metal tapes.
Two of the metal tapes are Hi8. Hours used including capture time is
approximately 10 hours.
I have not touched or tried to clean the inside workings.

The operations guide does not recommend how often to clean the heads. Other
than it gives examples when heads are dirty and to use a cleaning cassette.
(I've heard previously that cleaning heads on any equipment too often will
cause the heads to wear out prematurely.)

What do you consider higher quality tapes?

Do you have further suggestions???
Thank you for your help.
 
J

John Kelly

Hello,

I was not suggesting that you were using an external Mic. I was saying
that the Mic could have been picking up the noise from the camera....I
said...
there is a good chance your microphone is picking
up the noise from the tape drive/motor
Click to expand...

As far as what is a better tape is goes.......it was meant to be a
polite way of saying that if you were using cheap tapes go get some better
ones.. If you have never noticed with audio cassette tapes there are cheap
internal mechanisms and there are those that are better....anti squeal
devices, rollers instead of fixed pegs etc etc etc

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J

John Kelly

Hello,

As far as transferring to computer is concerned you should always use a
firewire (iLink).

Are you now saying that the defect in the audio is only after
transferring to the computer or as I had perhaps wrongly assumed was
actually on the camera's audio track?

If the fault is on the tape prior to transfer then my previous comments
still apply.

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G

Guest

In my first inquiry, I did mention that it does not make that sound while the
video is being captured. Meaning...the defect in the audio is only after
transferring to the computer. I apologize if I did not explain it clearly.

If we should always use a firewire, why do product mfg's include only a USB
cable?
Thank you for your help.
 
J

Jeffraham Prestonian

Mickey said:
In my first inquiry, I did mention that it does not make that sound while
the
video is being captured. Meaning...the defect in the audio is only after
transferring to the computer. I apologize if I did not explain it clearly.
Click to expand...

Are you using both the audio from the camera *and*
adding tracks, such as music from CD, etc.? If so, see
my earlier post about "Ticks, clicks..."; it may be of help.
If we should always use a firewire, why do product mfg's include only a
USB
cable?
Click to expand...

I don't know. Are you sure your camera is equipped
with Firewire? It also goes by the names iLink or
IEEE 1394. Check your documentation for any mention
of those terms.
..
 
J

John Kelly

Hello,


In my first inquiry, I did mention that it does not make that sound while the
video is being captured. Meaning...the defect in the audio is only after
transferring to the computer. I apologize if I did not explain it clearly.
Click to expand...

I missed that...no problem
If we should always use a firewire, why do product mfg's include only a USB
cable?
Thank you for your help.
Click to expand...

Ah well, what time of day is it :) My DV camera a Canon, came with a Firewire
Card and Cable as did both of the cameras purchased by my two sons
recently...one from the USA and the other in France. I don't know if its a
matter of cost or not My sons cameras are both several versions later than mine
and they still got the Firewire kit. I think both of their cameras have USB for
the still images but no USB cable.

I recently purchased two DVD Dual Layer burners...they were OEM which means
they are usualy supplied to a manufacturer to be fitted into new machines...the
manufacturer supplies all of the support/software...there is no support or
software in the boxes I received because of that....but I did pay a reasonably
low price for them.

But, to your problem. You simply cannot capture DV-AVI quality video with a USB
cable. The reason is that USB apparently cannot sustain the data rate whereas
Firewire can. YYou will notice, I am sure, a significantly better captured file
once you get the card and cable.

If after that you still have this problem, do come back and say so.

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PapaJohn \(MVP\)

A USB cable always fits the camcorder and computer.... a firewire cable
could be connected to a 4 pin connector on a laptop or a 6 pin one on a
desktop... so they would have to include two cables... and the cables are
the most expensive part of the firewire setup.
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Photo Story 3 - use the menu branch at www.papajohn.org

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J

John Kelly

Hello,

Yes, they are not very expensive...I think an average card is around £15.00 in
the UK, presently that would be $30 in the USA, but we always pay more than
them anyway. TThe cables are a bit more expensive...but you may find you can
get a "kit" at a better price.

--
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J

John Kelly

All three cameras bought in my familt in recent months all come with ONE
firewire cable and ONE card...not TWO

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Best Wishes.....John Kelly
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G

Guest

In a previous project, Yes, I did add music.
In this project...No. But, both projects have the ticks or clicks.

My Sony DCR-TRV460 camcorder does have a connection for an I.Link cable.
However, the camcorder only came with a USB cable.

You mention you have an earlier post about "Ticks, clicks...
Do you know about where it is located. There are approximately 53 pages
concerning MM. Thank you for your help.
 
J

Jeffraham Prestonian

Mickey said:
In a previous project, Yes, I did add music.
In this project...No. But, both projects have the ticks or clicks.
Click to expand...

This may not apply in your current situation, then.
Mine was caused, I believe, by trying to use both 12-bit
audio *and* 16-bit audio in the same WinMM project.
My Sony DCR-TRV460 camcorder does have a connection for an I.Link cable.
However, the camcorder only came with a USB cable.
Click to expand...

A cable is probably all you need, then... assuming your
computer has a Firewire (a/k/a i.Link/IEEE 1394) port. If
not, you can pick up an inexpensive PCI card to serve the
purpose.
You mention you have an earlier post about "Ticks, clicks...
Do you know about where it is located. There are approximately 53 pages
concerning MM. Thank you for your help.
Click to expand...

I'll repost it below:

---
I think I figured it out, but no solution so far.

My problem (as many others' here, it would seem):
When outputting from WinMovie Maker to DV-AVI, I
would have glitchy audio on clips where I had added
..WAV files in projects. In MY particular instance, I
was adding piano music to a "slideshow" of still photos,
which was a part of a project that also used DV
captured from my Canon GL-1.

Problem identification: I've been using the GL-1 in
the mode which captures audio as 12-bit. Dammit.
:-/ Using both 12-bit and 16-bit (.WAV) audio files
in WinMovie Maker, and saving as DV-AVI (or WMV,
or... probably anything) isn't going to work well. My
guess is that WMM tries to resample the 16-bit audio
at 12-bit resolution, adding the glitches and artifacts.

I can see that saving off the audio portion of the
WMM project and adding it back in might work, but
since I have, basically, two tracks of audio, and no
good way to synch them, I think that's a wash for
me. I tried the "audio only" route, but can'y save as
anything but WMA, and my audio editors won't
recognize them. Sigh.
 
G

Guest

Thank you for your input. After finding out about the 12-bit and 16-bit, I
did find that the default for the Sony DCR-TRV460 is 12-bit. So maybe that is
the problem. I did switch to 16-bit for the next time. On the lcd, it shows a
music note for 16-bit.

I tried a five minute sample on the free program Virtual-Dub-1.5.10,
imported to MM to edit, then used TMPGEnc to save as mpeg. I haven't burned
to a cd yet. But there were no ticks or clicking heard which was very evident
using MM alone. It did take a lot longer to process.

I will invest in a fiewire and port. Hopefully, this is the solution.

How do you find out if a .WAV file is 12-bit or 16-bit?
 
J

Jeffraham Prestonian

Mickey said:
Thank you for your input. After finding out about the 12-bit and 16-bit, I
did find that the default for the Sony DCR-TRV460 is 12-bit. So maybe that
is
the problem. I did switch to 16-bit for the next time. On the lcd, it
shows a
music note for 16-bit.
Click to expand...

Ah, well, I'm glad someone could benefit from my
misfortune. ;)
I will invest in a fiewire and port. Hopefully, this is the solution.
Click to expand...

The cards are relatively cheap, but poke around on the
net for info and reviews -- I'm sure not all Firewire cards
are created equal, but I don't know so much about the
differences. I've only bought two (one was a PCMCIA type,
for my laptop), and I went cheap both times, and have had
great luck with the camera on both. The external Firewire
enclosures I bought from CompUSA, which hold a 7200
RPM EIDE hard drive, only worked sporadically with both
cards, but that's probably the fault of the enclosures (and
has nothing to do with your camera-capturing and
-controlling... I was hoping to get a storage solution going,
in addition to the cam stuff).
How do you find out if a .WAV file is 12-bit or 16-bit?
Click to expand...

By default, all the CD-ripping software I've ever seen
saves WAVs as uncompressed, 16-bit PCM audio. 12-bit
must be some compromised "standard," of sorts, for
consumer DV camcorders. Luckily, my cam is kinda high
on the consumer end of the scale (Canon GL-1), but a few
years old, now. It has 16-bit audio capture as an option. I
just made the mistake of thinking that would be the default
setting. :)
..
 

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