Three Day Activation

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Leythos said:
Carey, I think you will find that it has nothing to do with Activation
Servers tracking it, more than it has to do with the local copy of the
machine configuration hash that is stored at the time of activation. You
can make changes until it caused enough of a change in the hash so that it
requires reactivation - which has nothing to do with contacting MS, the
hash for machine config is local.
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Save your "breath" Leythos, he almost never responds to corrections
unless you really hammer away at him almost relentlessly and it's just
not worth the effort.

Steve
 
Alias said:
I changed my NIC card recently and added 128MB of RAM are the only other
things I've done.
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Well, there you have it. The NIC counts for three out of the ten
"votes", four hardware "votes" having changed is what MS says triggers a
reactivation. Mystery solved.
Yeah and the PAYING customer is the one jumping through the buggy hoops, not
the cyber-terrorists.

Alias
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Yep.

Steve
 
Thank you as well T. Waters, and I agree, Microsoft
should state the policy better - it would help all
involved - However! as you stated - without resort to
name calling, or childish antics - I haven't heard one
person who legitimately purchased an MS product be denied
activation, and in fact - I think MS has gone out of it's
way to help those people who are legit.

xfiler
 
Steve said:
It doesn't matter because Carey rarely, if ever, responds to
corrections anyway. Sometimes if you blast enough fecal matter his
way he wakes up a little, but that's about it.

Steve
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Yeah, I know. I just love getting an opportunity to give my link to
Carey with his head up his ass.

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T. Waters said:
By Prime Time, do you mean "realtime?" As in constant validation as
opposed to episodic validation? Validation seems pretty involuntary
already!
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I mean when it becomes mandatory. You do have to choose to run the WGA
tool, as of right now.

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Alias said:
I changed my NIC card recently and added 128MB of RAM are the only
other things I've done.

Yeah and the PAYING customer is the one jumping through the buggy
hoops, not the cyber-terrorists.

Alias
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Changing your NIC and the amount of ram would cause you to lose at least 4
points of the 10 we are apportioned, so I can understand why one would have
to reactivate after making a change like that.

I've never had to reactivate my OS, unless I did a clean install, even tho
I've changed my NIC a few times.

My only bitch so far about Activation is that Microsoft changed our OEM
EULAs when it began stopping Internet activation for OEM installations.
Every OEM EULA I've read plainly states that we have the right to activate
EITHER over the Internet OR by phone. Microsoft seems to have conveniently
forgotten our EULAs. I guess their word isnt worth much. If they are
unfaithful in their words in our OEM EULAs, they will be unfaithful in much
larger concerns.
 
Alias said:
I changed my NIC card recently and added 128MB of RAM are the only
other things I've done.
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Changing the NIC is counts for a lot towards reactivation.

From: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

How does product activation determine tolerance? In other words, how
many components of the PC must change before I am required to
reactivate?
Common changes to hardware such as upgrading a video card, adding a
second hard disk drive, adding RAM or upgrading a CD-ROM device will not
require the system to be reactivated. Specifically, product activation
determines tolerance through a voting mechanism. There are 10 hardware
characteristics used in creating the hardware hash. Each characteristic
is worth one vote, except the network card which is worth three votes.
When thinking of tolerance, it's easiest to think about what has not
changed instead of what has changed. When the current hardware hash is
compared to the original hardware hash, there must be 7 or more matching
points for the two hardware hashes to be considered in tolerance. If the
network card is the same, then only 4 additional characteristics must
match (because the network card is worth 3, for a total of 7). If the
network card is not the same, then a total of 7 characteristics other
than the network card must be the same. If the device is a laptop
(specifically a dockable device), additional tolerance is allotted and
there need be only 4 or more matching points. Therefore, if the device
is dockable and the network card is the same, only one other
characteristic must be the same for a total vote of 4. If the device is
dockable and the network card is not the same, then a total of 4
characteristics other than the network card must be the same.

Are the changes cumulative? In other words, if I change one component
today and one tomorrow, is that two component changes?
The changes are cumulative; however, if a user is asked to reactivate,
the hardware profile is reset to that new configuration.

What are the 10 hardware characteristics used to determine the hardware
hash?
The 10 hardware characteristics used to determine the hardware hash are:

Display Adapter
SCSI Adapter
IDE Adapter
Network Adapter MAC Address
RAM Amount Range (i.e. 0-64mb, 64-128mb, etc),
Processor Type
Processor Serial Number
Hard Drive Device
Hard Drive Volume Serial Number
CD-ROM/CD-RW/DVD-ROM

It looks like you were close, but you still should not have had to
reactivated yet, if Activation was working the way it is supposed to.

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xfiler said:
My message continues at bottom:


French Canadian.
Figures!

Yeah MS has been convicted of being a
monopoly. And I agree - and have agreed with you in the
past - and in writing - that the Copyright and Patent law
need to be fixed. I guess we all have to deal with what
the good lord gives us. I know I can't make a better
product, and haven't seen one yet.
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Well that's you. I think if I were given the resources at MS's
disposal, I could make a better product, and not treat the customer as a
criminal.
really - name calling? *What's that* - oh it's mommy
telling you it's time for your bottle!
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LOL! Did I touch a nerve with "xdresser?"

Didn't your moma treat you about "sticks and stones?"

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Donald;
I think you should read the EULA again.
Or cite the part that gives you the "right" to choose.
Have a lawyer who specializes in software licensing look at it and see what
is said.
My guess is the "or" may also give the option to Microsoft as long as at
least one of the two options is available to you.
 
T. Waters said:
I think people think that they have a limited number of "chances" to
activate, and that they are wasting one chance without realizing in
advance that this would happen. I have yet to read one example where
a legitimate, non-OEM copy of XP was actually blocked from all forms
of activation: online, phone automated, and phone-human.
I want to hear one of these tales of woe, in detail, to dispel the
ambiguity.
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That you have to go out of your way to prove you are not a thief, like
MS, who is a proven patent and copyright infringer.

Just because they are the theives doesn't mean we are.

Since 1994 until the introduction of PA technology in MS in both Office
and Windows XP in 2001, piracy had been steadily trended downward,
especially in the US and Western Europe. Since copy-protection has been
adopted by many of the members of the BSA trust, the piracy rate has
leveled off, and this is by the BSA's obviously self-serving statistics,
as it gets its piracy numbers from its own members, not law enforcement.

Copy-protection does NOT stop or even slow down piracy, as piracy was
going down before copy-protection became mainstream, and has leveled off
since copy-protected software has been sold to the general public.

All copy-protection is, is a nusiance to the paying customer.

Below is an incomplete list of error codes that have accompanied various
different license check errors:

0x80090006 - http://snipurl.com/990a

0x80070002 - http://snipurl.com/990d

0x80004005 - http://snipurl.com/990e

0X800700C1 - http://snipurl.com/990g

0x8007007e - http://snipurl.com/990i

0x80070003 - http://snipurl.com/990m

0x80090019 - http://snipurl.com/990o

0x8007007f - http://snipurl.com/990t

All of these licensing check errors happen to people that have every
legal right to use their software, but wouldn't have had any problem
using their software if it wasn't PA-disabled in the first place.

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xfiler said:
Thank you as well T. Waters, and I agree, Microsoft
should state the policy better - it would help all
involved - However! as you stated - without resort to
name calling, or childish antics - I haven't heard one
person who legitimately purchased an MS product be denied
activation, and in fact - I think MS has gone out of it's
way to help those people who are legit.
Click to expand...

Below is an incomplete list of error codes that have accompanied various
different license check errors.


0x80090006 - http://snipurl.com/990a


0x80070002 - http://snipurl.com/990d


0x80004005 - http://snipurl.com/990e


0X800700C1 - http://snipurl.com/990g


0x8007007e - http://snipurl.com/990i


0x80070003 - http://snipurl.com/990m


0x80090019 - http://snipurl.com/990o


0x8007007f - http://snipurl.com/990t


All of these licensing check errors happen to people that have every
legal right to use their software, but wouldn't have had any problem
using their software if it wasn't PA-disabled in the first place.

So keep apologizing for the proven predatory monopoly, and proven patent
and copyright infringer, Microsoft.


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1) New Video card (hardware and drivers)
2) De-activate onboard video card
3) Move hard drive to a different position.

You have used up the changes count. After a certain number of changes, the
XP product activation removes "counts" to the permit changes count.
 
Yves said:
1) New Video card (hardware and drivers)
2) De-activate onboard video card
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That counts as one change.
3) Move hard drive to a different position.
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<snip>

I don't think that really counts

1.) Hard Drive Device

This hasn't changed.

2.) Hard Drive Volume Serial Number

And that hadn't changed.

And Alias didn't mention the IDE adapter, but I doubt that changed
either.

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Steve N. said:
Well, there you have it. The NIC counts for three out of the ten "votes",
four hardware "votes" having changed is what MS says triggers a
reactivation. Mystery solved.
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I see. I didn't know that. So am I back at square one or will I have to
reactivate if I my NIC goes south again? There's new drivers for my NIC.
Should I dare to upgrade the card? Or if I upgrade my video card again? Or
add a bitching sound card (are sound cards one of the Ten Most Watched?)
Does the famous 120 days start now?

Here I am, having a bitch of a time making sure I uninstall the on board
video card before installing the new one, drivers, update drivers, move the
hard disk, change the hard disk's jumper to master, change the CDRW to
slave, rearrange the driver letters to make sense, reboot and worse than a
BSOD, the YOU HAVE THREE DAYS window pop up.

Even if it 'only' took 3 seconds to reactivate, it still didn't do my heart
much good and until it said "congratulations, you activated", those 3
seconds were an eternity. Very bad PR move this activation/validation trip.
The desktop appearing without any icons or task bar before the reactivate
window appeared was a bit of a heart stopper too.

Alias
 
Donald L McDaniel said:
Changing your NIC and the amount of ram would cause you to lose at least 4
points of the 10 we are apportioned, so I can understand why one would
have to reactivate after making a change like that.

I've never had to reactivate my OS, unless I did a clean install, even tho
I've changed my NIC a few times.

My only bitch so far about Activation is that Microsoft changed our OEM
EULAs when it began stopping Internet activation for OEM installations.
Every OEM EULA I've read plainly states that we have the right to activate
EITHER over the Internet OR by phone. Microsoft seems to have
conveniently forgotten our EULAs. I guess their word isnt worth much. If
they are unfaithful in their words in our OEM EULAs, they will be
unfaithful in much larger concerns.
Click to expand...

I have a generic OEM and activated on the net today.

Alias
 
kurttrail said:
Changing the NIC is counts for a lot towards reactivation.

From: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

How does product activation determine tolerance? In other words, how many
components of the PC must change before I am required to reactivate?
Common changes to hardware such as upgrading a video card, adding a second
hard disk drive, adding RAM or upgrading a CD-ROM device will not require
the system to be reactivated. Specifically, product activation determines
tolerance through a voting mechanism. There are 10 hardware
characteristics used in creating the hardware hash. Each characteristic is
worth one vote, except the network card which is worth three votes. When
thinking of tolerance, it's easiest to think about what has not changed
instead of what has changed. When the current hardware hash is compared to
the original hardware hash, there must be 7 or more matching points for
the two hardware hashes to be considered in tolerance. If the network card
is the same, then only 4 additional characteristics must match (because
the network card is worth 3, for a total of 7). If the network card is not
the same, then a total of 7 characteristics other than the network card
must be the same. If the device is a laptop (specifically a dockable
device), additional tolerance is allotted and there need be only 4 or more
matching points. Therefore, if the device is dockable and the network card
is the same, only one other characteristic must be the same for a total
vote of 4. If the device is dockable and the network card is not the same,
then a total of 4 characteristics other than the network card must be the
same.

Are the changes cumulative? In other words, if I change one component
today and one tomorrow, is that two component changes?
The changes are cumulative; however, if a user is asked to reactivate, the
hardware profile is reset to that new configuration.

What are the 10 hardware characteristics used to determine the hardware
hash?
The 10 hardware characteristics used to determine the hardware hash are:

Display Adapter
SCSI Adapter
IDE Adapter
Network Adapter MAC Address
RAM Amount Range (i.e. 0-64mb, 64-128mb, etc),
Processor Type
Processor Serial Number
Hard Drive Device
Hard Drive Volume Serial Number
CD-ROM/CD-RW/DVD-ROM

It looks like you were close, but you still should not have had to
reactivated yet, if Activation was working the way it is supposed to.
Click to expand...

I forgot to mention the processor. I upgraded that a few months ago.
The changes are cumulative; however, if a user is asked to reactivate, the
hardware profile is reset to that new configuration.
Click to expand...

So this means the count starts over from square one and I can dream of
upgrading my ram to 333 and my processor to AMD XP 2800 again without that
pesky YOU'VE GOT THREE DAYS popping up?

What's a "SCSI Adapter"?

Alias
 
That counts as one change.
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Not if you look at the way on-board is detected and the way that off-board
is detected. I could see it as being two items instead of one - if they
were both off-board it would be seen as one.
<snip>

I don't think that really counts
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I don't think it counts either, as long as the boot drive is the same.
 
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