This is about making vista better for everyone!!!

[ryan101]

Hi i am writing after i have just installed the new service pack 2 for
windows vista and am just trying to suggest that with the disk defragmenter,
as there isnt a lot that has been changed like the only things that have been
changed are that you can now select volums to defrag. one thing that may help
with this is to put a small graph (or GUI) similar to the windows xp one on
it and maybe a timer if possible so that people know how long it is going to
roughly be until it finishes, and a report message say as again in the
previous version telling what amount of fragmentation there is and what files
are fragmented. also another thing that i have noticed with vista is that it
takes up a lot of memory and if possible would there be any chance of trying
to make sure that vista uses less memory so that it can be more responsive.
These sugestions are from over the internet that people would like to see
happen as it would aid me and other people.

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[Gordon]

Hi i am writing after i have just installed the new service pack 2 for
windows vista

There ISN'T a "service pack 2" - SP1 has only just been released!

 

[John Barnett MVP]

Apparently the defragmenter GUI was removed because people didn't want to
see it. However, now that its gone many people want it back.

An alternative defragmenting application is Auslogic Disk Defrag which is
free. you might like to try that. http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag

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[The Coward Robert Ford]

Apparently the defragmenter GUI was removed because people didn't want
to see it.

What people wanted it removed? I've never seen anyone say they wanted it
removed. This was purely a Microsoft decision to dumb it down for the
masses and not something anyone asked for. All they had to do was to make
the GUI optional to make everyone happy.

 

[John Barnett MVP]

When Microsoft remove something it is generally because a 'polled' selection
of users have offered their opinion. This is no different to the procedure
for 'any' opinion poll, whether it be about the Government of the day or
whether Kids should be given more pocket money.

In this instance the 'polled' selection, obviously, didn't find the GUI
useful. Personally, I don't; who wants to watch strips of colour move from
one end of a graph to another for the best part of an hour or more, I
certainly don't, but then I wasn't asked about the GUI either.


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[Mick Murphy]

John, some of us actually turn our computers OFF.
That is why people want to see where it is up to during Defrag!
NOT to look at the pretty lines!
There was a practical reason to have it!!

 

[Steve Thackery]

one thing that may help

with this is to put a small graph (or GUI) similar to the windows xp one
on
it and maybe a timer if possible so that people know how long it is going
to
roughly be until it finishes, and a report message say as again in the
previous version telling what amount of fragmentation there is and what
files
are fragmented.

No, and no again. This has been done to death already, and I believe MS
have got this one right. They point out that it simply isn't possible to
give an accurate or meaningful GUI, because there aren't enough pixels on
the display. Nor is a "pretty" or "pleasing" end picture - with all the
blue bars crammed up to one end - a good indication of whether the disk is
actually optimised for speed and future resistance to fragmentation.

Also, you should never need to run it manually anyway. It runs
automatically every week, and all the INFORMED opinion (as opposed to the
ill-informed prejudices of our resident trolls) is that you can, and should,
just leave it to its own devices.

In other words, FORGET about fragmentation. Let the built-in defragger do
its job - which it will.

SteveT

 

[Steve Thackery]

John, some of us actually turn our computers OFF.

Defragging starts up automatically when you turn it on again. You really
don't need to monitor it at all - it looks after itself just fine.

SteveT

 

[The Coward Robert Ford]

When Microsoft remove something it is generally because a 'polled'
selection of users have offered their opinion. This is no different to
the procedure for 'any' opinion poll, whether it be about the
Government of the day or whether Kids should be given more pocket
money.

In this instance the 'polled' selection, obviously, didn't find the
GUI useful. Personally, I don't; who wants to watch strips of colour
move from one end of a graph to another for the best part of an hour
or more, I certainly don't, but then I wasn't asked about the GUI
either.

Well, they should stop polling Joe Average and ask people who use computers
all day every day for their opion first. Geeks like watching the HDD
defragment, gets their blood flowing.

 

[The Coward Robert Ford]

No, and no again. This has been done to death already, and I believe
MS have got this one right. They point out that it simply isn't
possible to give an accurate or meaningful GUI, because there aren't
enough pixels on the display. Nor is a "pretty" or "pleasing" end
picture - with all the blue bars crammed up to one end - a good
indication of whether the disk is actually optimised for speed and
future resistance to fragmentation.

Also, you should never need to run it manually anyway. It runs
automatically every week, and all the INFORMED opinion (as opposed to
the ill-informed prejudices of our resident trolls) is that you can,
and should, just leave it to its own devices.

In other words, FORGET about fragmentation. Let the built-in
defragger do its job - which it will.

SteveT

The 3rd party defragges are pretty accurate about how far in the defrag
job it is. If it says 80% finished they are about right. Give us both and
then you won't get threads like this. Don't please one camp and piss off
another.

 

[Steve Thackery]

The 3rd party defragges are pretty accurate about how far in the defrag

job it is. If it says 80% finished they are about right. Give us both and
then you won't get threads like this. Don't please one camp and piss off
another.

But as far as MS is concerned, the user is free to buy a third party
product! You see? The standard defragger works just fine, so nobody
actually *needs* to worry about disk fragmentation again. But for those sad
geeks who actually like watching red and blue blocks creeping around on the
screen (and are naive enough to think they mean something), then they can
play about with the products from Paragon, O&O, Diskeeper, et al.

This is the perfect compromise. Nothing's broken, nothing needs fixing.

SteveT

 

[Nonny]

But as far as MS is concerned, the user is free to buy a third party
product! You see? The standard defragger works just fine, so nobody
actually *needs* to worry about disk fragmentation again. But for those sad
geeks who actually like watching red and blue blocks creeping around on the
screen (and are naive enough to think they mean something), then they can
play about with the products from Paragon, O&O, Diskeeper, et al.

Or the fine FREE defragger from AusLogics.

 

[Steve Thackery]

its designed to run in the background but goes on forever & a day.....

That's OK - just let it run for as long as it wants. It's invisible, so who
cares? Meanwhile, you can actually do something useful with your computer
;-)

SteveT

 

[The Coward Robert Ford]

But as far as MS is concerned, the user is free to buy a third party
product! You see? The standard defragger works just fine, so nobody
actually *needs* to worry about disk fragmentation again. But for
those sad geeks who actually like watching red and blue blocks
creeping around on the screen (and are naive enough to think they mean
something), then they can play about with the products from Paragon,
O&O, Diskeeper, et al.

This is the perfect compromise. Nothing's broken, nothing needs
fixing.

SteveT

I don't watch the blocks, I have a friend who does though, I just want to
know approximately how much time is left in the defrag cycle. And you don't
need to defrag every week so IMO that task setting is wrong and I have
changed mine to once per month and if I uninstall/install software then I
will do a manual defrag. See? We are not all sheep.

 

[The Coward Robert Ford]

Or the fine FREE defragger from AusLogics.

Yea, yea, I* kno0w about Auslogic and Defraggler too. Both are free but
both use different layout than the Microsoft one. I just want to use the
one Microsodoft provides and not the other ones. I just want more options
as to how it is run and the feedback it gives. No feedback at all just
sucks.

 

[The Coward Robert Ford]

i use ''jk defrag'' ..its simle & fast

I've used that one too but when you start it just starts defragging all
your drives and I saw no option to choose which drive. Defraggler from the
same peopole who make CCleaner seems to be the best free one to me. You can
even select which files to defrag and it consolidates free space too. The
good thing about that is if I install a new game I can have it defrag just
those newly installed files and don't have to defrag the complete drive to
do it like you would with jk dfrag, auslogics and Microsft's.

 

[The Coward Robert Ford]

That's OK - just let it run for as long as it wants. It's invisible,
so who cares? Meanwhile, you can actually do something useful with
your computer ;-)

SteveT

Because some people don't want shit runnig in the background while they are
doing useful things on their PC.

 

[Gordon]

Because some people don't want shit runnig in the background while they
are
doing useful things on their PC.

Oh. You mean like AV programs and the such? What a STUPID reply.