There seems to be a difference between OEM and retail Seagate HDs

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Fidelis K

I own 3 retail version Seagate HDs (2x160GB & a 320GB) and 3 OEM version
Seagate HDs (2x160GB & a 320GB). The models are the same whether it's retail
or OEM.

All my retail version HDs are ultra quiet. I can barely hear the spinning
sound. In contrast, all my OEM version HDs are significantly noisier,
although they are relatively quiet. Is it just a coincidence?
 
J

johns

It has been my experience that all OEM products are
inferior in quality. Also, I find it hard to distinguish
exactly what OEM means. I have finally decided that
it means .. a 2nd party who makes a version of the
1st party product, or who includes the 1st party
product in their product .. such as the chipset. That
seems logically backwards, but that is the best I
can do. If you want to see it in print, go to Mwave.com
and look at the ATI video cards. See, OEM is "powered
by ATI", but is not under ATI warranty .... for good reason.
And ATI Retail is under ATI warranty .. if registered at
ATI. I once called one of the OEMmers, and asked
about that, and the tech told me the card is actually
made by ATI, and they are just a reseller. Still, ATI
makes the reseller warranty their product. He said
there is absolutely no physical difference in the cards.
However, it has been my experience that the OEM
resellers might be dealing in refurbs and products
that have not passed ATI inspection ???

johns
 
M

Michael Cecil

I own 3 retail version Seagate HDs (2x160GB & a 320GB) and 3 OEM version
Seagate HDs (2x160GB & a 320GB). The models are the same whether it's retail
or OEM.

All my retail version HDs are ultra quiet. I can barely hear the spinning
sound. In contrast, all my OEM version HDs are significantly noisier,
although they are relatively quiet. Is it just a coincidence?

Can't you just use the acoustic management software to set the OEM drives
to "quiet" mode like the retail ones?
 
F

Fidelis K

I paid $140 for a Seagate 320GB SATA HD at Compusa, whereas I paid only $90
for the same model at Newegg. Interestingly, the retail version was made in
Thailand and the OEM version was made in Singapore.
 
S

SteveH

johns said:
It has been my experience that all OEM products are
inferior in quality. Also, I find it hard to distinguish
exactly what OEM means. I have finally decided that
it means .. a 2nd party who makes a version of the
1st party product, or who includes the 1st party
product in their product .. such as the chipset. That
seems logically backwards, but that is the best I
can do. If you want to see it in print, go to Mwave.com
and look at the ATI video cards. See, OEM is "powered
by ATI", but is not under ATI warranty .... for good reason.
And ATI Retail is under ATI warranty .. if registered at
ATI. I once called one of the OEMmers, and asked
about that, and the tech told me the card is actually
made by ATI, and they are just a reseller. Still, ATI
makes the reseller warranty their product. He said
there is absolutely no physical difference in the cards.
However, it has been my experience that the OEM
resellers might be dealing in refurbs and products
that have not passed ATI inspection ???

johns
Still talking rubbish then?

SteveH
 
R

Rod Speed

johns said:
It has been my experience that all OEM products are
inferior in quality. Also, I find it hard to distinguish
exactly what OEM means. I have finally decided that
it means .. a 2nd party who makes a version of the
1st party product, or who includes the 1st party
product in their product .. such as the chipset. That
seems logically backwards, but that is the best I
can do. If you want to see it in print, go to Mwave.com
and look at the ATI video cards. See, OEM is "powered
by ATI", but is not under ATI warranty .... for good reason.
And ATI Retail is under ATI warranty .. if registered at
ATI. I once called one of the OEMmers, and asked
about that, and the tech told me the card is actually
made by ATI, and they are just a reseller. Still, ATI
makes the reseller warranty their product. He said
there is absolutely no physical difference in the cards.
However, it has been my experience that the OEM
resellers might be dealing in refurbs and products
that have not passed ATI inspection ???

Its different with Seagate HDs.
 
R

Rod Speed

Can't you just use the acoustic management software
to set the OEM drives to "quiet" mode like the retail ones?

Not with Seagates, they have decided that they
wont want to pay the royaltys involved in AAM.

And that has no effect on 'the spinning sound' anyway.
 
N

nobody

I own 3 retail version Seagate HDs (2x160GB & a 320GB) and 3 OEM version
Seagate HDs (2x160GB & a 320GB). The models are the same whether it's retail
or OEM.

All my retail version HDs are ultra quiet. I can barely hear the spinning
sound. In contrast, all my OEM version HDs are significantly noisier,
although they are relatively quiet. Is it just a coincidence?

OEM can be anything. I remember oem video cards that had all kinds
of crippled features. OEM soundblaster cards used to have some I/O
missing.
 
J

JAD

johns said:
It has been my experience that all OEM products are
inferior in quality. Also, I find it hard to distinguish
exactly what OEM means.

'Original Equipment Manufacturer' was my experience in the autoparts world.
However it has taken on a whole new meaning in the computer world. I really
don't think it fits properly.

I have finally decided that
 
H

hdrdtd

OEM typically stands for Original Equipment Manufacturer.

Ususally an OEM product whether it's hardware or software, is a product
manufactured and sold to another company that will use it in the
manufacture/assembley of a product to be sold.

Usually, the product (in this example we'll use a HD) is manufactured by a
company (perhaps Seagate), and packaged to be sent to another company that
will use the product (A Seagate HD in this example) in the
assembly/construction of a product (A Computer system for this example) that
that company will sell.

because the OEM product will end up inside another product, it's usually
packaged differently quite often with no frills at all, no instructions,
cables, mounting hardware etc. as part of the OEM agreement to sell the
product (HD) to the assembling company at a low cost, the assembling company
agrees to support the product themselves, thus eliminating the
responsability of support from the original manufacturer. If the original
manufacturer doesn't need to support the product directly, it can pass that
savings onto the purchaser (the assembly company).

Sometimes because the assembly company only wants certain features enabled,
or they want the product slightly customized, they will contract with the
manufacturer to produce a customized version of the product specifically for
that assembly company. This happens especially with sound cards years ago.


Thus....
The equipment is still manufactured by the same original company. It is
simply packaged differently and sold at a lower cost to a third party
whether it's an assembly company or your local computer shop. it 'may' be a
customized/personalized version of the original product.

Part of the arrangenmt between the original manufacturer and the assembly
company is that the assembly company agrees to support the product to the
end user themselves.

This is why if youy run down to your local computer shop, they may sell two
hard drives, both from Seagate for example, one is in a retail box along
with the usual mounting brackets, instructions, cables etc. and the other
Seagate HD is just in a plastic clamshell conainer. No box, no cable, no
instructions, etc.

the retail boxed version will usually cost a bit more, but if you have a
problem, you get support directly from the manufacture, in this example
right from Seagate.

the OEM packaged drive, just in it's plastic clamshell is usually cheaper,
sometimes the warranty period is different as well, but if you have a
problem, then it's that local shop that you turn to. Not Seagate.


Same thing works for software.
If you buy a retail boxed version of Windows, you get support directly from
Microsoft.
If you buy a Dell or a Gateway, etc that includes an OEM version of Windows,
then you turn to Dell or Gateway for support NOT Microsoft.
 
J

johns

OEM can be anything. I remember oem video cards that had all kinds
of crippled features. OEM soundblaster cards used to have some I/O
missing.

Yeah, like the HP Soundblasters that came with the
Kayaks. They had I/O connections, but I tried for
months to get one to work .. until one day I was
holding the card, and I realized that the connections
to the I/O had been removed from the pc boards,
and redirected to speakers in the front of the PC.
And then there was the nVidia OEM 6800s ..
Heh!

johns
 
N

needhelpbad

i realize that this has nothing to do with the topic or any of that
stuff, ij ust came home and realized that my wireless connection was
completely gone, usually i am able to simply repair the connection
and it will connect back with the access point, however it would not
do this, i looked at the properties of the connection and when i
exited them the connection deleted itself, upon trying to create a
new connection, the computer restarted itself as it should, however
when it restarted my windows xp account was gone, its asking me to
log in but when i enter my old username and password theyre not
there, therefore i am under the impression that all of my shit is
lost, and im pissed and have ran out of patience, so if someone in
here could direct me to another forum or give me a hand on getting my
entire computer back that would be great
 
P

Paul

i realize that this has nothing to do with the topic or any of that
stuff, ij ust came home and realized that my wireless connection was
completely gone, usually i am able to simply repair the connection
and it will connect back with the access point, however it would not
do this, i looked at the properties of the connection and when i
exited them the connection deleted itself, upon trying to create a
new connection, the computer restarted itself as it should, however
when it restarted my windows xp account was gone, its asking me to
log in but when i enter my old username and password theyre not
there, therefore i am under the impression that all of my shit is
lost, and im pissed and have ran out of patience, so if someone in
here could direct me to another forum or give me a hand on getting my
entire computer back that would be great

So you were hacked via wireless ? Is that what you are saying ?

Paul
 

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