the way doesn't work right

[Guest]

I would suggest that you go and download ANY recent version of Linux, install
it on a pc and find out the right way to get security! This response was
brought about by the fact that that you have screwed up security so tight
that I cannot even rename a desktop shortcut!!!!! Basically, because I think
you are all stupid, I will lay it out for you, the Administrator can do
anything, but should not run all the time. A normal user can run programs
installed by the administrator and create/delete files in their own area,
nowhere else, this includes RENAMING shortcuts on their desktop!

I do not think you will listen, because you are Microsoft and think that you
can get away with anything, but I really do think that you have shot
yourselves in the foot this time.

Rowland Penny
A very fedup user (soon to be probably an ex-user, the way my vista
experience is going)

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[dennis@home]

I would suggest that you go and download ANY recent version of Linux,
install
it on a pc and find out the right way to get security!

Linux isn't the best way to get security.
It makes the error of allowing root to do anything they like.
In the real world there is no reason to assume root is correct and so
security is compromised.
It doesn't even do auditing so you can find out who, when and what was
compromised and if it did root would be able to alter the records.

This response was
brought about by the fact that that you have screwed up security so tight
that I cannot even rename a desktop shortcut!!!!! Basically, because I
think
you are all stupid, I will lay it out for you, the Administrator can do
anything, but should not run all the time.

I see you fall for the linux is secure because of root fallacy.

A normal user can run programs
installed by the administrator and create/delete files in their own area,
nowhere else, this includes RENAMING shortcuts on their desktop!

Windows doesn't have to be run as admin, however security costs user
friendliness and most users throw away security for ease of use. Just like
you want to as it happens.

I do not think you will listen, because you are Microsoft and think that
you
can get away with anything, but I really do think that you have shot
yourselves in the foot this time.

I don't suppose you will listen because linux is perfect.
I do hope M$ listen and make windows 7 more secure but not by falling into
the linux fallacy.

 

[Guest]

I've been running Vista x64 Ultimate since February/March 2007, and
have never had the problem you are having. Vista default security
settings is not so tight that you can't rename icons on the desktop. I
suggest you look elsewhere for the cause.

And Instead of calling us all stupid, perhaps you should also try
detailing the exact problem you are having, and asking us nicely for a
solution, and somebody her may help.

Don't go pulling a Tiberius/Alias and rant on like a preschooler.



We are not Microsoft. This NG is a peer-to-peer system where users help
each other. Although some members may be Microsoft employees, Microsoft
has nothing to do with this NG.



If you don't ask for help, we can't give it to. We're human, not
clairvoyant.


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If I upset anybody here sorry, If I upset anybody from Microsoft then not
sorry!

I never said Linux was perfect, just that it is not as imperfect as vista.
Microsoft in their way, as usual, have gone over the top again. If vista is
so perfect, why have lots of business users rolled back to XP?
Where do you want me to start with what is wrong with vista? the stupid
flashing/black screen to allow you to do anything, what's secure about that?
the fact that you cannot rename a shortcut on the desktop when running as a
normal user?

I could go on and on about vista's problems, if you do not believe me, try
googling. I need to use windows for one application we use at work, otherwise
I would ditch windows entirely, and for your interest, I do not have a
problem I have VISTA!!

Oh, and I do not hide behind some made up name

Rowland Penny

 

[Guest]

The reason why I, and the company I work for, and most of the company's out
there, are not switching to Unix is simple: money. Unix server experts are
more expensive then Microsoft trained guys. And because the "simple" users,
the people working in HR or administration, are working Windows based in
their office, they use it at home. And because they use it at home, the
company does not have to train their people to use an OS as much as they
should when Unix is used.

And because all these other company's are using Windows, other company's use
it to for easy document and resource sharing. So to respond to what you say:
Yes sometimes Unix is better, cheaper and more easy to use for the more
skilled users, but looking at the big picture, Windows is better. As an
Administrator you are working for the users, not the other way around. So who
should be the one working easier? The users or the administrators?

Greetz,
X-ecutioner

 

[dennis@home]

If you don't ask for help, we can't give it to. We're human, not
clairvoyant.

You don't actually think it was request for help?

 

[Guest]

The reason why I, and the company I work for, and most of the company's out
there, are not switching to Unix is simple: money. Unix server experts are
more expensive then Microsoft trained guys. And because the "simple" users,
the people working in HR or administration, are working Windows based in
their office, they use it at home. And because they use it at home, the
company does not have to train their people to use an OS as much as they
should when Unix is used.

And because all these other company's are using Windows, other company's use
it to for easy document and resource sharing. So to respond to what you say:
Yes sometimes Unix is better, cheaper and more easy to use for the more
skilled users, but looking at the big picture, Windows is better. As an
Administrator you are working for the users, not the other way around. So who
should be the one working easier? The users or the administrators?

Greetz,
X-ecutioner

Look, I do not want to stop anybody using windows, all I am trying to say is
that YOU should be able to do what you like in your area of the computer i.e.
your desktop and your files, but the way that Microsoft has set vista up is
too stringent. The last straw for me was when I discovered that I could not
rename a shortcut that was on MY desktop, altering this shortcut should have
no impact on the computer, but I am not allowed to do it. Microsoft have gone
from the let's let everbody run as an admistrator so that badly written
programs will work, to the "you will do as you are told" school of thought.

Er, no the system operator works for the company that employs him/here, they
are there to put right the mistakes that the operators cause etc. If you do
not believe this, try upsetting your IT manager.

Oh, and by the way, please stop top posting, it ruins the train of the thread.

Rowland Penny

 

[DX]

No you are just a whining idiot with no actual question. p.s. who made you
the net police, some people
prefer top posting.

 

[Joseph Meehan]

...

Look, I do not want to stop anybody using windows, all I am trying to say
is
that YOU should be able to do what you like in your area of the computer
i.e.
your desktop and your files,
but the way that Microsoft has set vista up is
too stringent.
The last straw for me was when I discovered that I could not
rename a shortcut that was on MY desktop, altering this shortcut should
have
no impact on the computer, but I am not allowed to do it. Microsoft have
gone
from the let's let everbody run as an admistrator so that badly written
programs will work, to the "you will do as you are told" school of
thought.

While some users have had problems, I have not had any of significance.
For example I have no problems renaming shortcuts on the desktop. I suspect
you have made some change to security settings that is causing your problem.
I guess that is a flaw with any system that allows you to customize
settings.

....

Oh, and by the way, please stop top posting, it ruins the train of the
thread.

Rowland Penny

Not always. In some cases top posting is the better method and in
others not. Sort of like the ability to customize security settings. In
your case it would appear you have made a choice that did not work out well
for you.

 

[Jume]

lets try step by step:

- why the flashing/black screen is secure: because basically it is a
separate desktop in which no application can be run thus no sniffers are
allowed to log your key pressings (just as an example), either way, you can
deactivate the secure desktop and let it ask for permission like a normal
window through policies

- you cannot rename a shortcut on your desktop: because surely the shortcut
were created by a not really good installer... why is that -> when you
install a program you need to elevate thus getting admin credentials, if the
installer do the installation not so correctly it will create the icon with
that user (an admin) or permissions instead of yours, and right with that
you have no access to the icon because in fact it is not yours (or you dont
have permissions on it), in no way is vista the "bad guy" here, but the
installer for not being prepared to a multiuser environment (sadly this
happens in a lot of programs still)

if that is the only thing happening to you, you are making such a fuss
about, and being in the xp/linux world you could figure it out as you should
be used to permissions and ownership

 

[Bill Yanaire]

You sure sound like someone with a short fuse. Imagine, if someone insults
you with words and they live near you, you would resort to violence. Pretty
smart there. People like you are dangerous.

 

[Alias]

Do me a favour why don't you? If you want to insult made up names, then
you should target Tiberious and Alias, who deserve it.

Oh, so some people deserve it and some don't, eh? Nice double standard
you have there.