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HEMI-Powered
Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...
this is ludicrous! almost $20/gig?
this is ludicrous! almost $20/gig?
K
kirk jim
Vista is too damn stupid
YES .. I think we should make this the official slogan of vista
Vista is stupid
YES .. I think we should make this the official slogan of vista
Vista is stupid
J
Justin
Well, apparently SP1 will be out "second half" of 2007. Beta testing
permitting. That could mean Dec 31 for all we know.
permitting. That could mean Dec 31 for all we know.
J
Justin
HEMI-Powered said:
Why is that ludicrous? It's out of my price range however it's 100X faster
then a standard HDD. It's well under 100X the price
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Stephan Rose
Justin said:
If MS says Second half of 2007..judging by their past record of keeping
deadlines...I'd expect to see it first half of 2008 the earliest...
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Shane Nokes
You do realize that exaggeration is why everything thinks you're a complete
retard right?
Why not make a point by making an actual point.
Not by lying, lying doesn't get a point across, it just pisses people off.
retard right?
Why not make a point by making an actual point.
Not by lying, lying doesn't get a point across, it just pisses people off.
J
Justin
Stephan Rose said:
I hope I get on the beta. It would be very interesting to see what MS plans
to fix.
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HEMI-Powered
Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...
When people say "I can't afford this, that, or the other thing",
they almost NEVER mean "I do not have money in my checking
account for that". What they usually mean is "I have the money
but choose not to spend it for this, that, or the other thing."
So, I CAN afford an SRT8 anything, including a Viper. I could
also pony up the bread for some exotic iron, but don't because
there are other things in my life more important than those kinds
or cars, or any kind of bike.
when my NTFS partitions take a powder for a couple of minutes
collecting their thoughts. So, if I can buy optical for 2
bits/4.7 gig and external HD for about 50-75 cents/gig and
internal HD for under 50 cents/gig why on earth would I spend
this much? Now, if you have a need, go for it. If you like to
play with computers as a hobby, then far be it for me to tell you
that is dumb, I did it from the mid-1970s until the summer of
1995 when I decided I wanted the PC for useful work and not a
plaything. I know home users, i.e., hobbyists, who have gigantic
systems with 3, 4,6 multi-boot partitions,RAID, partitions for
multiple beta testing, Linux in all its glory, AND absolutely
bleeding edge technocracy. The guy I'm thinking of, though,
drives a 1993 Lincoln Continental with 280,000 miles on it and
spends all his available budget on his computer hobby. Me? I like
new cars as you've read and do NOT like the frustrations of
bleeding edge. So, when I said "ludicrous", I was speaking
broadly for the vast majority of users who don't even know how
much HD they even have, much less how fast it is or what it cost.
OK? I apologize if I insulted you, it just hit me really hard.
When people say "I can't afford this, that, or the other thing",
they almost NEVER mean "I do not have money in my checking
account for that". What they usually mean is "I have the money
but choose not to spend it for this, that, or the other thing."
So, I CAN afford an SRT8 anything, including a Viper. I could
also pony up the bread for some exotic iron, but don't because
there are other things in my life more important than those kinds
or cars, or any kind of bike.
I am a home user who hardly needs the speed of solid state, evenWhy is that ludicrous? It's out of my price range however
it's 100X faster then a standard HDD. It's well under 100X
the price
when my NTFS partitions take a powder for a couple of minutes
collecting their thoughts. So, if I can buy optical for 2
bits/4.7 gig and external HD for about 50-75 cents/gig and
internal HD for under 50 cents/gig why on earth would I spend
this much? Now, if you have a need, go for it. If you like to
play with computers as a hobby, then far be it for me to tell you
that is dumb, I did it from the mid-1970s until the summer of
1995 when I decided I wanted the PC for useful work and not a
plaything. I know home users, i.e., hobbyists, who have gigantic
systems with 3, 4,6 multi-boot partitions,RAID, partitions for
multiple beta testing, Linux in all its glory, AND absolutely
bleeding edge technocracy. The guy I'm thinking of, though,
drives a 1993 Lincoln Continental with 280,000 miles on it and
spends all his available budget on his computer hobby. Me? I like
new cars as you've read and do NOT like the frustrations of
bleeding edge. So, when I said "ludicrous", I was speaking
broadly for the vast majority of users who don't even know how
much HD they even have, much less how fast it is or what it cost.
OK? I apologize if I insulted you, it just hit me really hard.
H
HEMI-Powered
Today, Just FYI made these interesting comments ...
Aside from hobby vs. real use and budgets aside, people are
increasingly impatient about most everything. I've dumped some
$1,100+ on two combo VHS/DVD reader/DVD burner/DVR boxes for my TV
and my wife's separate TV. The big reason is the vast speed
increase for going through the parts of TV shows I don't want to
watch compared to old-fashioned tape. Also, the shows are auto-
named. This is to say that there ARE things where I do value speed.
On the PC side, as I've stated, if I had my druthers, I'd be
running a quad-core AMD with a bazillion gigs of real memory and
some O/S that really can use all that, plus all new utilities,
apps, printer, scanner, etc. etc. I CAN afford that stuff, I just
choose not to allocate my money for it right this minute. That
said, if somebody wants to stay at least at state-of-the-art or
even bleeding edge into "expanding the envelope" for a good reason,
then fine. And, a "good" reason may just be "'cuz I want to".
The "problem" with opinion-oriented things in any NG on any genre
of discussion is that people's criteria for forming
opinions/judgments vary widely as does their knowledge. Not to
mention, their needs vs wans vs avarice (sp?).
Aside from hobby vs. real use and budgets aside, people are
increasingly impatient about most everything. I've dumped some
$1,100+ on two combo VHS/DVD reader/DVD burner/DVR boxes for my TV
and my wife's separate TV. The big reason is the vast speed
increase for going through the parts of TV shows I don't want to
watch compared to old-fashioned tape. Also, the shows are auto-
named. This is to say that there ARE things where I do value speed.
On the PC side, as I've stated, if I had my druthers, I'd be
running a quad-core AMD with a bazillion gigs of real memory and
some O/S that really can use all that, plus all new utilities,
apps, printer, scanner, etc. etc. I CAN afford that stuff, I just
choose not to allocate my money for it right this minute. That
said, if somebody wants to stay at least at state-of-the-art or
even bleeding edge into "expanding the envelope" for a good reason,
then fine. And, a "good" reason may just be "'cuz I want to".
The "problem" with opinion-oriented things in any NG on any genre
of discussion is that people's criteria for forming
opinions/judgments vary widely as does their knowledge. Not to
mention, their needs vs wans vs avarice (sp?).
J
Justin
HEMI-Powered said:
That's why I said "justify"
That's why I said "justify"
Hum...it sounds like you have no need for the technology. However, why is
it ludicrous?
I still don't see how it's ludicrous. "Too expensive" for the common user,
yes. A set-top Blu-ray player for $1,000 is too expensive for the average
user but that's what new technology costs.
That's ok, I think you miss understood me. I have no clue as to what your
finances look like so I would never comment on what you can or can not
afford. However you asked me before to help you justify the SRT8 (jokingly
I'm sure). That's why I fell back on justifying a purchase.
If I came home with a $600 32GB drive (which I can afford
) I would notbe able to "justify" it to the house hold. Yet alone 200GB worth of that
drive. $3,750!!!
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HEMI-Powered
Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...
I won't debate that one, as it is impossible for any two people
to agree on exactl what "justify" means. It is different upon
each individuals def and criteria.
car. So, what do I base this on, pure cents/mile driven? green?
the economics of me buying a car helps someone else keep their
job building them?
I already stated that. I don't need or even want 100X HD speed,
so $20 gig - to me - is ludicrous. Can't you handle that simple
principle?
Yes, hence pyscho-babble, which another person mis-read. I
decided and described to you on the XP customize NG why I don't
want an SRT8 or any other brand with its drawbacks.
That's why
I don't talk finances and neither do you, but my financial
advisor and stock broker has an interesting minimum for
portfolios he handles, and I CAN "afford" any car I want, but
that isn't where I want to place my money. And, keep in mind that
nobody, not even Bill the Gates, ever has enough money, so again,
this discussion is both academic and moot.
It is academic because we are arguing with no basis for agreement
on the ground rules, and moot because I've already made my buying
decision for a car, PC, camera, DVR, most of the stuff I care
about. The top item on my agenda for this year is to find a 1-
floor house and get out of my colonial. I want to take advantage
of the soft housing market as a buyer, but also to minimize the
hit as a seller. It CAN be done, and I know how to do it, but
finding the "right" house is a challenge.
current mobo and SATA won't let me go much higher than about 300.
Don't argue, I am sure there ARE drives out there, and I CAN
"justify" one, but I can get there easier and cheaper ways. e.g.,
I want but do not NEED 400 gig. I can simply double or triple
redundant back up the little used stuff, scatter the backups to 3
"safe" places and take my chances with Murphy.
That's why I said "justify"
I won't debate that one, as it is impossible for any two people
to agree on exactl what "justify" means. It is different upon
each individuals def and criteria.
Hell, I cannot "justify" more than an econobox or some POS usedThat's why I said "justify"
car. So, what do I base this on, pure cents/mile driven? green?
the economics of me buying a car helps someone else keep their
job building them?
I already stated that. I don't need or even want 100X HD speed,
so $20 gig - to me - is ludicrous. Can't you handle that simple
principle?
Yes, hence pyscho-babble, which another person mis-read. I
decided and described to you on the XP customize NG why I don't
want an SRT8 or any other brand with its drawbacks.
That's why
I don't talk finances and neither do you, but my financial
advisor and stock broker has an interesting minimum for
portfolios he handles, and I CAN "afford" any car I want, but
that isn't where I want to place my money. And, keep in mind that
nobody, not even Bill the Gates, ever has enough money, so again,
this discussion is both academic and moot.
It is academic because we are arguing with no basis for agreement
on the ground rules, and moot because I've already made my buying
decision for a car, PC, camera, DVR, most of the stuff I care
about. The top item on my agenda for this year is to find a 1-
floor house and get out of my colonial. I want to take advantage
of the soft housing market as a buyer, but also to minimize the
hit as a seller. It CAN be done, and I know how to do it, but
finding the "right" house is a challenge.
I could use a 400+ gig internal but don't want SCSI and myIf I came home with a $600 32GB drive (which I can afford
I would not be able to "justify" it to the house hold. Yet
alone 200GB worth of that drive. $3,750!!!
current mobo and SATA won't let me go much higher than about 300.
Don't argue, I am sure there ARE drives out there, and I CAN
"justify" one, but I can get there easier and cheaper ways. e.g.,
I want but do not NEED 400 gig. I can simply double or triple
redundant back up the little used stuff, scatter the backups to 3
"safe" places and take my chances with Murphy.
J
Justin
HEMI-Powered said:
Ok, then please note my own personal explanation of how I used the word.
So, was I correct? Did I use it the same way you used it before?
That's up to you.
I think you are confused. I asked WHAT WAS ludicrous about it. I don't
really care which direction your answer goes. I was simply wondering what
the actual reasoning was behind your conclusion. Here you imply the
economics behind the price is what you call ludicrous. Honestly I'm not
seeing your point. But if that's what you mean by it then ok.
Here's an example of where I'm coming from:
The sky is blue...that's ludicrous
It's hard to tie that together right?
I don't read that group. If I ever posted in it, that's because of someone
else's cross post.
T
thetruthhurts
Vista supposedly will better utilize hybrid drives
better...........of course we won't know until someone starts selling
them.
better...........of course we won't know until someone starts selling
them.
H
HEMI-Powered
Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...
You are/were as correct as anyone voicing a personal opinion,
same as me. And, just as incorrect, same as me. It appears from a
straw poll that both of us are not viewed all that highly as
unbiased sources of great wisdom, which is fine by me; maybe less
fine by you. I don't make my living with IT, never did this
particular side. I also didn't make my living on the high
performance side of the car biz, so my views are just that - my
views based on what I learned over a life-time, who I talk to
today, the multiplicity of sources both biased and "unbiased" I
read or watch on some TV channel, the people I talk to, etc. That
neither makes them 100% right nor 100% wrong. I view the world as
That's exactly right. YOu and I will stay on each other's better
side if we give the other the right to make their own choices and
stand by them, for ANY reasons they choose, even if the other
thinks it is total heresy.
And, I answered it 2 or 3 times. Something is "ludicrous" to me
if it is so preposterous or so out-of-character or so expensive
compared to what I view or the money that I will pay, that it is
only them who have the dough and the time will buy it. There's
hundreds of examples of that, so why are you hounding me for
expressing a personal opinion? And, how many gigs of solid statee
at whatever price do YOU own?
That's not ludicrous, it is true. It is the refraction and
reflection of sun light through our atmosphere that causes that,
with a number of factors controlling the exact color.
Photographers a hundred or more years ago used the Kelvin scale
of temperatures to describe the color of light, and I believe,
pure blue sky from bright sun is 6,000K. That's real. Now, if you
consider that ludicrous for any reason, fine by me.
Not for me.
delusion. I'll find it and post it here.
You are/were as correct as anyone voicing a personal opinion,
same as me. And, just as incorrect, same as me. It appears from a
straw poll that both of us are not viewed all that highly as
unbiased sources of great wisdom, which is fine by me; maybe less
fine by you. I don't make my living with IT, never did this
particular side. I also didn't make my living on the high
performance side of the car biz, so my views are just that - my
views based on what I learned over a life-time, who I talk to
today, the multiplicity of sources both biased and "unbiased" I
read or watch on some TV channel, the people I talk to, etc. That
neither makes them 100% right nor 100% wrong. I view the world as
shades of gray and never pure black and white. So said:
That's exactly right. YOu and I will stay on each other's better
side if we give the other the right to make their own choices and
stand by them, for ANY reasons they choose, even if the other
thinks it is total heresy.
And, I answered it 2 or 3 times. Something is "ludicrous" to me
if it is so preposterous or so out-of-character or so expensive
compared to what I view or the money that I will pay, that it is
only them who have the dough and the time will buy it. There's
hundreds of examples of that, so why are you hounding me for
expressing a personal opinion? And, how many gigs of solid statee
at whatever price do YOU own?
That's not ludicrous, it is true. It is the refraction and
reflection of sun light through our atmosphere that causes that,
with a number of factors controlling the exact color.
Photographers a hundred or more years ago used the Kelvin scale
of temperatures to describe the color of light, and I believe,
pure blue sky from bright sun is 6,000K. That's real. Now, if you
consider that ludicrous for any reason, fine by me.
Not for me.
Hmmm. I specifically replied to you there. Must have had a
delusion. I'll find it and post it here.
K
kirk jim
Oh... you think that is correct?
Let me tell you then that exaggeration is one the most powerful tool to get
a point across.
Why do you need exaggeration? In order to get a point across you sometimes
have
to stretch it and magnify it so it is apparent and more clear to the non
believer...
It is through this exaggeration that one can uncluttered the truth from the
surrounding information
that obscures reality.
I am not saying that you believe the exaggeration itself, but the point
being made by the exaggeration.
Its used in all kinds of art forms and communication skills.... the most
brilliant teachers of all times have used it.
Perhaps you are the real retard then since you don't even know this very
basic concept...
Well actually I dont believe that you are a retard.. you just lack
understanding... if you have an open mind you can
start learning instead of making fun of people.
Let me tell you then that exaggeration is one the most powerful tool to get
a point across.
Why do you need exaggeration? In order to get a point across you sometimes
have
to stretch it and magnify it so it is apparent and more clear to the non
believer...
It is through this exaggeration that one can uncluttered the truth from the
surrounding information
that obscures reality.
I am not saying that you believe the exaggeration itself, but the point
being made by the exaggeration.
Its used in all kinds of art forms and communication skills.... the most
brilliant teachers of all times have used it.
Perhaps you are the real retard then since you don't even know this very
basic concept...
Well actually I dont believe that you are a retard.. you just lack
understanding... if you have an open mind you can
start learning instead of making fun of people.
H
HEMI-Powered
Today, kirk jim made these interesting comments ...
I agree, IF and only if, you have reasonable facts upon which to
extrapolate for exaggeration for emphasis or to gain attention. I
back away from that, though, if one is simply inciting to riot by
using "facts not in evidence" in an effort to "if you can't
dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your
bullshit."
Clarifying, magnifying, and other adjectives can be applied
without severely distorting the truth, whatever that is. I have
long believed that it is NOT the truth that is really important,
but how the truth is perceived. That, coupled with my belief that
there are no absolute truths nor absolute falsehoods allows me
the telling of white lies.
And, can brand you as a buffoon by them who really know whilst
you're attempting to defile the infidels, so IMHO, one needs to
be circumspect before inventing facts or distorting the "truth"
beyond a reasonable person's belief in the (vain?) effort to
impress another.
Sometimes there is, and should be, "artistic license", which is
an old euphemism for "bald faced but believable lie". Also, in
art, things like 2- and 3-point perspectives are often distorted
even by the masters. And, in the 1940s-60s when things like car
brochures were often artwork instead of photos, the dimensions of
cars were exaggerated to make them look longer, lower, and wider
than they really were. Finally, photographers can and do
intentionally use either wide-angle or telephoto lenses to create
apparent perspective distortions. Plenty of other examples, of
course, but the distinction is exaggeration for emphasis and
learning. That said, if one gets caught excessively exaggerating
all the time, especially teachers, their reputations can be
severely damaged. And, I'm afraid, the same is true of ALL
politicians to the point where many/most/all people view everyone
throught the same pair of glasses as lying through their teeth
for purely political reasons, which I think is both bad and sad.
What basic concept, that you can out-lie the other guy in an
attempt to gain the upper hand? Be careful what you wish for, you
may get it.
I agree, IF and only if, you have reasonable facts upon which to
extrapolate for exaggeration for emphasis or to gain attention. I
back away from that, though, if one is simply inciting to riot by
using "facts not in evidence" in an effort to "if you can't
dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your
bullshit."
Clarifying, magnifying, and other adjectives can be applied
without severely distorting the truth, whatever that is. I have
long believed that it is NOT the truth that is really important,
but how the truth is perceived. That, coupled with my belief that
there are no absolute truths nor absolute falsehoods allows me
the telling of white lies.
And, can brand you as a buffoon by them who really know whilst
you're attempting to defile the infidels, so IMHO, one needs to
be circumspect before inventing facts or distorting the "truth"
beyond a reasonable person's belief in the (vain?) effort to
impress another.
Sometimes there is, and should be, "artistic license", which is
an old euphemism for "bald faced but believable lie". Also, in
art, things like 2- and 3-point perspectives are often distorted
even by the masters. And, in the 1940s-60s when things like car
brochures were often artwork instead of photos, the dimensions of
cars were exaggerated to make them look longer, lower, and wider
than they really were. Finally, photographers can and do
intentionally use either wide-angle or telephoto lenses to create
apparent perspective distortions. Plenty of other examples, of
course, but the distinction is exaggeration for emphasis and
learning. That said, if one gets caught excessively exaggerating
all the time, especially teachers, their reputations can be
severely damaged. And, I'm afraid, the same is true of ALL
politicians to the point where many/most/all people view everyone
throught the same pair of glasses as lying through their teeth
for purely political reasons, which I think is both bad and sad.
What basic concept, that you can out-lie the other guy in an
attempt to gain the upper hand? Be careful what you wish for, you
may get it.
Retard is probably an exaggeration, yes?
J
Justin
HEMI-Powered said:
While I understand what you said, you lost me. I'm going to assume
"justify" was used the same way and move on.
What does that have to do with anything? You keep preaching about everyone
having their own right to give an opinion and that was NEVER in question.
Do you think I'm trying to change your opinion? You're doing this in
another thread as well. A simple question is asked about how you came to
your opinion and you go on about how you have a right to it. Are you
gearing up for an argument you "think" is going to happen?
The reason I said "that's up to you" is because you started going on about
things I had absolutely no interest in. It made no sense to me as to why
you said them in that discussion. I guess that was my polite way of saying,
"I don't care, that has no basis on this discussion."
Here, let me repeat myself:
"Here you imply the economics behind the price is what you call ludicrous.
Honestly I'm not seeing your point. But if that's what you mean by it then
ok."
"But if that's what you mean by it then ok."
"But if that's what you mean by it then ok."
Do you think I "have to" agree with your opinion? I'm guessing not, so
there should be NO PROBLEM with my not seeing your point.
No, I was not asking again. I was not hounding you BECAUSE of a personal
opinion, I was simply and in a FRIENDLY manor asking for how you came to
your opinion.
Let me repeat myself again. I got the economics portion of your opinion.
Done deal.
Own? None, point me in the direction of a SSD and I'll buy it! SanDisk has
been talking about a 4GB drive for under $200. As soon as it hits the
market I'll have one in my pocket. That's a very good price for this type
of memory.
Wow! Sorry bud, but that was so completely "out there", I'm not sure what
to say. Do you see what's happening? All I said was "The sky is
blue...that's ludicrous" and you TOLD ME what my opinion could have been.
Now, back up for a second and ASK ME what my opinion is. Now, when you ask
me how I came about to think the blue sky is ludicrous, should I go on and
on and on about how I have the RIGHT to think that way?
ludicrous - causing laughter because of absurdity; ridiculous; laughable
If you think it's "normal" for someone to stand around and LAUGH at the blue
in the sky because they think it's absurd or ridiculous then I have many
more questions I'll keep to myself.
Yeah, yeah ,yeah, normal is subjective. Start a poll ;p
H
HEMI-Powered
Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...
Econ 101. Sorry, can't help you there.
you seem to need a remedial course in English comprension and
Econ 101. Sorry, can't help you there.
J
Justin
Again, we disagree:
1. (used with a singular verb) the science that deals with the production,
distribution, and consumption of goods and services, or the material welfare
of humankind.
2. (used with a plural verb) financial considerations; economically
significant aspects: What are the economics of such a project?
You think the dollar per gig was WAY to high:
financial considerations
economically significant aspects
"so expensive compared to what I view or the money that I will pay"
"so $20 gig - to me - is ludicrous"
So, do you care to show me how I need help in Econ 101? Or how I did not
comprehend you? I would be rather interested to know how I was wrong to
state "I got the economics portion of your opinion." Since you obviously
have a problem with the "Econ" statement.
H
HEMI-Powered
Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...
Go back to your babble and drivel and incessant driving against
"ludicrous" for your proof. I really don't care what vehicle you
buy nor what mass media you buy, but when you start talking
factually instead of emotionally, I will listen. Until/unless
then, das ist das ende, Mein Herr and Adios!
"It is intuitiively clear and the proof is left to the reader".
Go back to your babble and drivel and incessant driving against
"ludicrous" for your proof. I really don't care what vehicle you
buy nor what mass media you buy, but when you start talking
factually instead of emotionally, I will listen. Until/unless
then, das ist das ende, Mein Herr and Adios!