The Pentium-D 820 mystery -- apparently not compatible with nF4-SLI (Intel) chip-set ....

[Xocyll]

(e-mail address removed) (Bob) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

If he pins the CPU at 100% (according to Task Manager) when he rips
DVDs, why would running a CPU stress utility be any different?

Because the stress test is measuring the actual performance over a
period of time, task manager is only telling you the percentage of
AVAILABLE CPU that is being used.

IE if the processor is running at half speed, 3dmark is going to spit
out a final number that is considerably smaller than it would if it were
running at full speed.
Task Manager on the other hand will tell you it's using 100% of cpu to
rip dvds whether the cpu is running at full or at half speed- the TIME
the ripping takes will be different, but the cpu usage will be the same.

Xocyll

 

[Xocyll]

(e-mail address removed) (Bob) looked up from reading the entrails of the porn
spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

Has anyone consulted the Patriot Act to see if there is a requirement
for this mandated by the federal govt.

Since AMD is also an American company and they AREN'T doing this, i'd
say you're way off base here.

Intel is fully capable of shooting off their feet without help from the
government.

Xocyll

 

[steamKILLER]

x-no-archive: yes

Seems as if big-brothers Intel and M$$ have our true interests
at heart :--

http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4915

this topic is of IMMENSE IMPORTANCE!
let me repeat... of immense importance!
you should have "broken" the thread instead of only renaming
the subject...
i totally oppose any kind of hardware drm implementation, so
this move by intel only gives me more arguments to support
AMD the now best cpu maker for the pc

--
post made in a steam-free computer
i said "NO" to valve and steam

to check authenticity of the real "steamKILLER" reassure that
the post came from a google server and that the email address
is "(e-mail address removed)"

 

[Bob]

this move by intel only gives me more arguments to support
AMD the now best cpu maker for the pc

How do you know that AMD has not secretly agreed to do the same thing.

This question needs to be answered: Why did Intel do what they did?
What's in it for them?

 

[Conor]

Has anyone consulted the Patriot Act to see if there is a requirement
for this mandated by the federal govt.

<snip>

No. I do not live in that totalitarian state known as the USA.

 

[Bob]

No. I do not live in that totalitarian state known as the USA.

The US is not a totalitarian dictatorship like Britain - not yet
anyway. It is a fascist dictatorship.

The distinguishing feature is we have a fully-populated political
spectrum, from Farleft to FarRight. That alone keeps us from being
totalitarian.

Britain, on the other hand, has no Right - despite the fantasy that
they think they do. Thatcher was a gun-grabbing leftist no different
from any of the leftists before her. The closest anyone in British
politics comes to the Right is Ann Widdecome. Yet she too supports
socialized medicine which disqualifies here from being truly on the
Right.

Therefore Britain has no political opposition parties - everyone of
the parties is leftist, including the BNP.

 

[Raymond Martineau]

How do you know that AMD has not secretly agreed to do the same thing.

Congrats, you just found the comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action troll.

In any case, AMD is a leader of the group bringin in DRM hardware, as they
are a high-level member of the group:
https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/about/members

He'll have to ditch Microsoft as well - they're in on it too.

 

[Bob]

AMD is a leader of the group bringin in DRM hardware, as they
are a high-level member of the group:

What the Hell is going on here? Why are American companies selling out
to this crap? Who's behind this?

https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/about/members

See list below. I guess I should ask who is NOT involved in this.

He'll have to ditch Microsoft as well - they're in on it too.

SO! That's who's behind this!

MS will not be satisfied until it makes us all its slaves.

I remember as a child reading a Donald Duck comic where Scrooge had
this fantasy of charging everyone for the air they breathe. People had
to go around with air meters connected to their nose. It would seem
that Bill Gates read the same comic.

+++

Trusted Computing Group Membership

Promoter
* AMD
* Hewlett-Packard
* IBM
* Intel Corporation
* Microsoft
* Sony Corporation
* Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Contributor
* Agere Systems
* ARM
* ATI Technologies Inc.
* Atmel
* AuthenTec, Inc.
* AVAYA
* Broadcom Corporation
* Certicom Corp.
* Citrix Systems, Inc
* Comodo
* Dell, Inc.
* Endforce, Inc.
* Ericsson Mobile Platforms AB
* Extreme Networks
* France Telecom Group
* Freescale Semiconductor
* Fujitsu Limited
* Fujitsu Siemens Computers
* Funk Software, Inc.
* Gemplus
* Giesecke & Devrient
* Hitachi, Ltd.
* Infineon
* InfoExpress, Inc.
* InterDigital Communications
* iPass
* Juniper Networks
* Lenovo Holdings Limited
* Lexmark International
* M-Systems Flash Disk Pioneers
* Meetinghouse Data Communications
* Motorola Inc.
* National Semiconductor
* nCipher
* NEC
* Network Associates
* Nevis Networks, USA
* Nokia
* NTRU Cryptosystems, Inc.
* NVIDIA
* OSA Technologies, Inc
* Philips
* Phoenix
* Pointsec Mobile Technologies
* Renesas Technology Corp.
* Ricoh Company LTD
* RSA Security, Inc.
* SafeNet, Inc.
* Samsung Electronics Co.
* SCM Microsystems, Inc.
* Seagate Technology
* SignaCert, Inc.
* Sinosun Technology Co., Ltd.
* SMSC
* STMicroelectronics
* Sygate Technologies, Inc.
* Symantec
* Symbian Ltd
* Synaptics Inc.
* Texas Instruments
* Transmeta Corporation
* Trend Micro
* UPEK, Inc.
* Utimaco Safeware AG
* VeriSign, Inc.
* Vernier Networks
* Vodafone Group Services LTD
* Wave Systems
* Winbond Electronics Corporation
* Zone Labs, Inc.

Adopter
* Apere, Inc
* BigFix, Inc.
* Caymas Systems
* Cirond
* ConSentry Networks
* CPR Tools, Inc.
* Credant Technologies
* Enterasys Networks
* Fiberlink Communications
* Foundry Networks Inc.
* Foundstone, Inc.
* Industrial Technology Research Institute
* Lockdown Networks
* Marvell Semiconductor, Inc.
* MCI
* PC Guardian Technologies
* Roving Planet
* Safend LTD.
* Sana Security
* Senforce Technologies, Inc
* Silicon Integrated Systems Corp.
* Silicon Storage Technology, Inc.
* Softex, Inc.
* StillSecure
* Swan Island Networks, Inc.
* Telemidic Co. Ltd.
* Toshiba Corporation
* TriCipher, Inc.
* ULi Electronics Inc.
* Unisys
+++

 

[milleron]

What the Hell is going on here? Why are American companies selling out
to this crap? Who's behind this?


See list below. I guess I should ask who is NOT involved in this.


SO! That's who's behind this!

MS will not be satisfied until it makes us all its slaves.

I used to resent anti-MS postings. They seemed generally "too easy"
if you know what I mean. Most were motivated like the majority of
anti-US posts that seem to be made for no reason other than the
antagonism that being the only remaining superpower is bound to
engender. (See earlier in this thread for an example of such a
thoughtless rant.)
NOW, however, in spite of my view that Linux would be disastrous as a
universal OS for the average home user, I'm going to have to hope that
someone comes up with a distro that's as easily maintained as Windows.
However, this nefarious (dastardly?) introduction of DRM into hardware
might mean that it's too late.

I remember as a child reading a Donald Duck comic where Scrooge had
this fantasy of charging everyone for the air they breathe. People had
to go around with air meters connected to their nose. It would seem
that Bill Gates read the same comic.

+++

Trusted Computing Group Membership

Promoter
* AMD
* Hewlett-Packard
* IBM
* Intel Corporation
* Microsoft
* Sony Corporation
* Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Contributor
* Agere Systems
* ARM
* ATI Technologies Inc.
* Atmel
* AuthenTec, Inc.
* AVAYA
* Broadcom Corporation
* Certicom Corp.
* Citrix Systems, Inc
* Comodo
* Dell, Inc.
* Endforce, Inc.
* Ericsson Mobile Platforms AB
* Extreme Networks
* France Telecom Group
* Freescale Semiconductor
* Fujitsu Limited
* Fujitsu Siemens Computers
* Funk Software, Inc.
* Gemplus
* Giesecke & Devrient
* Hitachi, Ltd.
* Infineon
* InfoExpress, Inc.
* InterDigital Communications
* iPass
* Juniper Networks
* Lenovo Holdings Limited
* Lexmark International
* M-Systems Flash Disk Pioneers
* Meetinghouse Data Communications
* Motorola Inc.
* National Semiconductor
* nCipher
* NEC
* Network Associates
* Nevis Networks, USA
* Nokia
* NTRU Cryptosystems, Inc.
* NVIDIA
* OSA Technologies, Inc
* Philips
* Phoenix
* Pointsec Mobile Technologies
* Renesas Technology Corp.
* Ricoh Company LTD
* RSA Security, Inc.
* SafeNet, Inc.
* Samsung Electronics Co.
* SCM Microsystems, Inc.
* Seagate Technology
* SignaCert, Inc.
* Sinosun Technology Co., Ltd.
* SMSC
* STMicroelectronics
* Sygate Technologies, Inc.
* Symantec
* Symbian Ltd
* Synaptics Inc.
* Texas Instruments
* Transmeta Corporation
* Trend Micro
* UPEK, Inc.
* Utimaco Safeware AG
* VeriSign, Inc.
* Vernier Networks
* Vodafone Group Services LTD
* Wave Systems
* Winbond Electronics Corporation
* Zone Labs, Inc.

Adopter
* Apere, Inc
* BigFix, Inc.
* Caymas Systems
* Cirond
* ConSentry Networks
* CPR Tools, Inc.
* Credant Technologies
* Enterasys Networks
* Fiberlink Communications
* Foundry Networks Inc.
* Foundstone, Inc.
* Industrial Technology Research Institute
* Lockdown Networks
* Marvell Semiconductor, Inc.
* MCI
* PC Guardian Technologies
* Roving Planet
* Safend LTD.
* Sana Security
* Senforce Technologies, Inc
* Silicon Integrated Systems Corp.
* Silicon Storage Technology, Inc.
* Softex, Inc.
* StillSecure
* Swan Island Networks, Inc.
* Telemidic Co. Ltd.
* Toshiba Corporation
* TriCipher, Inc.
* ULi Electronics Inc.
* Unisys
+++

Ron

 

[Mark & Mary Ann Weiss]

Seems as if big-brothers Intel and M$$ have our true interests

this topic is of IMMENSE IMPORTANCE!
let me repeat... of immense importance!
you should have "broken" the thread instead of only renaming
the subject...
i totally oppose any kind of hardware drm implementation, so
this move by intel only gives me more arguments to support
AMD the now best cpu maker for the pc

Bill Gates will finally get his wish "to make the Chinese finally PAY for
software."

This is an issue that is not going to go away. Why? Because the overwhelming
majority of PC buyers are average Joe Americans who spend too much time
watching TV "reality" shows and "American Idol" and not enough time paying
attention to where the nation is going, if any.

DRM will get slipped in, just as "activation" and "dongles" got slipped
in--a phased approach over time. How? By dangling carrots in front of us. In
order to use that fantastic new software that you have your eye on, you'll
need Intels new DRM chip to run it. Eventually, Microsoft's Palladium core
will appear in a major OS release, and the marriage between Intel and
Microsoft will be consummated. And Apple is next... to get Intel chips. The
Mac won't be impervious to this menace. With it's announcement recently that
it will be ditching the PowerPC chips in favor of Intel CPUs, the new
relationship, in light of this DRM issue, takes on an ominous overtone.

In short, I think it's going to be a reality, and will eventually get
accepted by the masses and grudgingly accepted by the power users, as they
find themselves left behind running yesteryear's software. With HDTV coming
of age, and the coming crop of HDTV editing applications for PCs, the carrot
will be a big one. One could conceivably be forced to buy one of these Intel
DRM'ed chips and a new MS OS with Palladium, in order to run the new HDTV
editing programs. It's that, or be left in the stone age of standard def TV
editing on Windows 2000/XP.

The only hope of slowing this down would be a big public education campaign.
But with the corporate-controlled media, that will not happen.


--
Take care,

Mark & Mary Ann Weiss

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Hear my Kurzweil Creations at: http://www.dv-clips.com/theater.htm
Business sites at:
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-

 

[Anthropy]

The US is not a totalitarian dictatorship like Britain - not yet
anyway. It is a fascist dictatorship.

The distinguishing feature is we have a fully-populated political
spectrum, from Farleft to FarRight. That alone keeps us from being
totalitarian.

Britain, on the other hand, has no Right - despite the fantasy that
they think they do. Thatcher was a gun-grabbing leftist no different
from any of the leftists before her. The closest anyone in British
politics comes to the Right is Ann Widdecome. Yet she too supports
socialized medicine which disqualifies here from being truly on the
Right.

Therefore Britain has no political opposition parties - everyone of
the parties is leftist, including the BNP.

Mmmm. you should stick to computers. politics just ain't your thing.
"Margaret Thatcher was a leftist" and "the BNP is a leftist party"
Next you'll be saying that Hitler was a misunderstood lefty, right?

 

[Bob]

Mmmm. you should stick to computers. politics just ain't your thing.
"Margaret Thatcher was a leftist" and "the BNP is a leftist party"
Next you'll be saying that Hitler was a misunderstood lefty, right?

Mmmm. you should stick to computers. politica just ain't your thing.

Margaret Thatcher was and still is most definitely a leftist. She
embraces the NHS (National Health Service - socialized medicine) just
like every politician in Britain, including the BNP. That keeps them
from being on the Right.

Furthermore, Thatcher was responsible for massive gun confiscation
from law-abiding citizens. There is no way that she could be anywhere
near the Right on that account.

You, like the leftist queers in Britain, have been brainwashed by the
old Nazi ploy of claiming that "fascists" are on the Right. Nothing
could be further from the truth.

If you spent your time reading political philosophy and not waste it
making a fool of yourself on Usenet, you would have read Hayek's
masterpiece "The Road to Serfdom", in which he devotes a full chapter
to debunking the bullshit that the Nazis were on the Right. The
acronym "NAZI" stands for "National Socialist Workers Party".

What part of "socialist" do you believe belongs to the Right?


--

Map of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/vrwc.html

"Nothing in the world can take the place of perseverence. Talent
will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education
will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and
determination alone are omnipotent."
--Calvin Coolidge

 

[John Lewis]

Yet another Via screw-up......

See:-

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/display/20050603042038.html

Via's recent chipset history in terms of compatibility with either
CPUs or GPUs has been less than rosy. Lousy or hurried QC
probably....

John Lewis

 

[Rico]

Mmmm. you should stick to computers. politica just ain't your thing.

Margaret Thatcher was and still is most definitely a leftist. She
embraces the NHS (National Health Service - socialized medicine) just
like every politician in Britain, including the BNP. That keeps them
from being on the Right.

Furthermore, Thatcher was responsible for massive gun confiscation
from law-abiding citizens. There is no way that she could be anywhere
near the Right on that account.

You, like the leftist queers in Britain, have been brainwashed by the
old Nazi ploy of claiming that "fascists" are on the Right. Nothing
could be further from the truth.

If you spent your time reading political philosophy and not waste it
making a fool of yourself on Usenet, you would have read Hayek's
masterpiece "The Road to Serfdom", in which he devotes a full chapter
to debunking the bullshit that the Nazis were on the Right. The
acronym "NAZI" stands for "National Socialist Workers Party".

What part of "socialist" do you believe belongs to the Right?

Which of course would explain why Hitler loved and embraced the principles
of communism. He was a lefty, wasn't it obvious?

(Oh, and "Nazi" isn't an acronym, it's a contraction of
"Nationalsozialismus." But to your point, I think you'll find it's the
Nazis who didn't understand "socialism" ... since they left industry in
private hands and ran a totalitarian government.)

Also, Intel has said they're not putting "unannounced DRM" into their chips.
I suppose by saying that they've just announced it? This link was on
Slashdot today:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23708

Rico

 

[Bob]

Which of course would explain why Hitler loved and embraced the principles
of communism. He was a lefty, wasn't it obvious?

The original meaning of Left was statist. The Right was anarchist.
That came from the seating arrangement in the post-Napoleonic French
Parliament.

Both Communists and Fascists are Statists which puts them both solidly
on the Left.

(Oh, and "Nazi" isn't an acronym, it's a contraction of
"Nationalsozialismus."

Pedantic nitpicking.

But to your point, I think you'll find it's the

Nazis who didn't understand "socialism" ... since they left industry in
private hands and ran a totalitarian government.)

Fascism has two meanings, one political and one economic. The economic
meaning is where the govt controls industry that is owned privately.
By contrast socialism is where govt controls industry that is owned
publically. In both instances it is the govt control that puts both
fascism and socialism squarely on the Left.

Also, Intel has said they're not putting "unannounced DRM" into their chips.
I suppose by saying that they've just announced it? This link was on
Slashdot today:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23708

"Big Brother Inside!"

--

Map of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/vrwc.html

"Nothing in the world can take the place of perseverence. Talent
will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education
will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and
determination alone are omnipotent."
--Calvin Coolidge

 

[Rico]

The original meaning of Left was statist. The Right was anarchist.
That came from the seating arrangement in the post-Napoleonic French
Parliament.

Both Communists and Fascists are Statists which puts them both solidly
on the Left.

Do you realize that makes Karl Marx a right-winger? He certainly wasn't a
statist. Marx felt that the state was a necessary evil that would
eventually wither away and disappear in a true communist society. Sounds
like an anarchist, eh?

Now I know you'll accuse me of being a pedant, but the French Revolution
"Right" supported an absolute monarchy - not true anarchy. Certainly none
of that democracy crap would be allowed - which would mean the U.S. in WWII
would have also been a bunch of lefties by your definition. ;-)

Pedantic nitpicking.

Oh, I'm sorry. I'll try not to point out your errors in the future and just
agree with you. But gosh, you like made an all caps "NAZI" and put quotes
around the wrong translation for it... there's only so much a person can
take you know!

 

[John Lewis]

See:-

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050603/index.html

for all the sordid details.

( If you are browsing the 'live' pages in this report, frequently
refresh them in your browser ! Otherwise you are likely to be looking
at stale cached information.... )

AMD's dual-core keeps chugging along in the midst of the Intel
debacle. In the earlier tests when SLI was actually fully running, a
maximum temperature of 60 degrees C for the AMD 4800+ X2
(99% loaded both cores) was recorded. No AMD crashes. The Intel
Extreme 840 CPU also in SLI mode, (and between frequent crashes)
recorded a temperature of 68 degrees C. That was before THG's test
people gave up on SLI in the midst of fried Intel-compatible
motherboards. More likely another MB power-regulator failure than SLI
chip-set failure in the case of the nvidia Northbridge getting very
hot.... Seems as if some third-party "dual-core-compatible" Intel MBs
cannot survive the power-drain of a fully-loaded Extreme-840 CPU...

BTW, the Intel recommended maximum temp for the Extreme-840
processor is 69.8 degrees C.... 68 degrees during the SLI tests is
running just a little too close....

Intel desktop dual-core processors are obviously not ready for
prime-time and probably never will be while based on the P4 Netburst
architecture and an external memory controller.

A good time to buy stock in companies providing beefy and reliable PC
power-supplies, advanced PC cooling solutions and room
air-conditioners. Buy the products yourself if you ever go the Intel
dual-core route.

John Lewis

 

[tk]

See:-

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050603/index.html

for all the sordid details.

( If you are browsing the 'live' pages in this report, frequently
refresh them in your browser ! Otherwise you are likely to be looking
at stale cached information.... )

AMD's dual-core keeps chugging along in the midst of the Intel
debacle. In the earlier tests when SLI was actually fully running, a
maximum temperature of 60 degrees C for the AMD 4800+ X2
(99% loaded both cores) was recorded. No AMD crashes. The Intel
Extreme 840 CPU also in SLI mode, (and between frequent crashes)
recorded a temperature of 68 degrees C. That was before THG's test
people gave up on SLI in the midst of fried Intel-compatible
motherboards. More likely another MB power-regulator failure than SLI
chip-set failure in the case of the nvidia Northbridge getting very
hot.... Seems as if some third-party "dual-core-compatible" Intel MBs
cannot survive the power-drain of a fully-loaded Extreme-840 CPU...

BTW, the Intel recommended maximum temp for the Extreme-840
processor is 69.8 degrees C.... 68 degrees during the SLI tests is
running just a little too close....

Intel desktop dual-core processors are obviously not ready for
prime-time and probably never will be while based on the P4 Netburst
architecture and an external memory controller.

A good time to buy stock in companies providing beefy and reliable PC
power-supplies, advanced PC cooling solutions and room
air-conditioners. Buy the products yourself if you ever go the Intel
dual-core route.

John Lewis

LOL This line of reasoning comes up every upgrade from BOTH sides.
Lets pray both chips rock and both companies stay in business.
That's the best outcome for consumers ;-)

 

[geno_cyber]

Besides DRM, what's wrong with Prescott and -D 820?

Not that I care because the only Intel I've paid for is PIII and
Pentium-M...

T.

If you read recent news Intel is going to switch over updated and multi-core Pentium M technology
for everything by next year.
Right now a Dual Xeon setup it's the best bet anyway even if they are Prescott core based the server
package and core themselves are way better than the desktop Prescott thing...
Also, Pentium D and Pentium 4 Prescott based products cost as much as a Xeon 2.8GHz FSB800 socket604
CPU.. so buying a Dual Xeon PC it's not that expensive like it was in the past.