The Motherboard question, with a twist

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BP

My Asus P4C800-E Deluxe mainboard fried on May 1. Fortunately it was only
the mainboard. I needed to get up and running fast so I picked up a readily
available Intel D865PERL and was back in business before the weekend.
I sent the Asus back RMA and I just received a replacement mainboard today
(refurbished, probably). Somehow this thing doesn't look as bright and shiny
as it did when I first got it, if you know what I mean. Now I've got to
decide what to do with it. Go through the effort of reinstalling it and hold
my breath that it doesn't crap out again, or leave well enough alone and run
with the Intel board? What would you do?

The Asus board has RAID, firewire, and onboard LAN over the PERL, otherwise
everything is the same. I don't anticipate doing a RAID array and don't own
anything firewire and got another NIC. So I don't have an immediate
functional reason to change it. I could store it and wait or sell it on
Ebay. The one thing that was useful was that I had the HD on the Promise
PATA controller, freeing up one of the EIDE connections for a future device.
All 4 PATA connections are used up on the PERL. Not a big deal.

FYI - the new Asus board is different from the old. The plastic processor
fan mount on the board is now secured with plastic "rivets". The old board
had the mount held down with metal screws. Since the board is famous for
it's flame outs, and all tend to be related to overheating around the
processor area (some posts mention a problem with the fan mounting too
tightly and causing heat related pullout), I'd bet that this may be an
engineering fix to some unspoken problem. Or it could be that plastic rivets
are cheaper than metal screws, who knows?
 
S

Shep©

My Asus P4C800-E Deluxe mainboard fried on May 1. Fortunately it was only
the mainboard. I needed to get up and running fast so I picked up a readily
available Intel D865PERL and was back in business before the weekend.
I sent the Asus back RMA and I just received a replacement mainboard today
(refurbished, probably). Somehow this thing doesn't look as bright and shiny
as it did when I first got it, if you know what I mean. Now I've got to
decide what to do with it. Go through the effort of reinstalling it and hold
my breath that it doesn't crap out again, or leave well enough alone and run
with the Intel board? What would you do?

The Asus board has RAID, firewire, and onboard LAN over the PERL, otherwise
everything is the same. I don't anticipate doing a RAID array and don't own
anything firewire and got another NIC. So I don't have an immediate
functional reason to change it. I could store it and wait or sell it on
Ebay. The one thing that was useful was that I had the HD on the Promise
PATA controller, freeing up one of the EIDE connections for a future device.
All 4 PATA connections are used up on the PERL. Not a big deal.

FYI - the new Asus board is different from the old. The plastic processor
fan mount on the board is now secured with plastic "rivets". The old board
had the mount held down with metal screws. Since the board is famous for
it's flame outs, and all tend to be related to overheating around the
processor area (some posts mention a problem with the fan mounting too
tightly and causing heat related pullout), I'd bet that this may be an
engineering fix to some unspoken problem. Or it could be that plastic rivets
are cheaper than metal screws, who knows?
Click to expand...

Nothing anyone says on here will stop you from trying the board .
I reckon so.

Outlaw Josey Wales:
Near the end the,"Bounty Hunter" just has to come back into the bar
and get killed and we all know why ;-)
 
B

BP

Shep© said:
Nothing anyone says on here will stop you from trying the board .
I reckon so.

Outlaw Josey Wales:
Near the end the,"Bounty Hunter" just has to come back into the bar
and get killed and we all know why ;-)
Click to expand...

Nice analogy!
Yep, I'm standing outside that bar and I know I should just walk away, but
what kind of geek would that make me?
But considering that this is a 44 Asus magnum, the most powerful and
dangerous motherboard in the world, and it could blow my business clean off,
there's just one question I must ask myself: Do I feel lucky? Well do I?
 
J

JAD

BP said:
My Asus P4C800-E Deluxe mainboard fried on May 1. Fortunately it was only
the mainboard. I needed to get up and running fast so I picked up a readily
available Intel D865PERL and was back in business before the weekend.
I sent the Asus back RMA and I just received a replacement mainboard today
(refurbished, probably). Somehow this thing doesn't look as bright and shiny
as it did when I first got it, if you know what I mean. Now I've got to
decide what to do with it. Go through the effort of reinstalling it and hold
my breath that it doesn't crap out again, or leave well enough alone and run
with the Intel board? What would you do?

The Asus board has RAID, firewire, and onboard LAN over the PERL, otherwise
everything is the same. I don't anticipate doing a RAID array and don't own
anything firewire and got another NIC. So I don't have an immediate
functional reason to change it. I could store it and wait or sell it on
Ebay. The one thing that was useful was that I had the HD on the Promise
PATA controller, freeing up one of the EIDE connections for a future device.
All 4 PATA connections are used up on the PERL. Not a big deal.

FYI - the new Asus board is different from the old. The plastic processor
fan mount on the board is now secured with plastic "rivets". The old board
had the mount held down with metal screws. Since the board is famous for
it's flame outs, and all tend to be related to overheating around the
Click to expand...

OOC, posts on this problem are posted where? I have not heard a 'peep' about
this.
 
B

BP

JAD said:
OOC, posts on this problem are posted where? I have not heard a 'peep'
about
this.
Click to expand...

Neither did I until my board blipped out. Thought I was buying top of the
line.
Just google "system failure cpu test", or "P4C800-E Deluxe system failure
cpu test"
You also want to look at USB flameouts in the ICH5 southbridge: google
"P4C800-E Deluxe USB failure" . This would be of interest to anyone with a
board with an Intel ICH5 southbridge.
Even more distressing news if you google in "groups".
 
J

JAD

BP said:
Neither did I until my board blipped out. Thought I was buying top of the
line.
Just google "system failure cpu test", or "P4C800-E Deluxe system failure
cpu test"
You also want to look at USB flameouts in the ICH5 southbridge: google
"P4C800-E Deluxe USB failure" . This would be of interest to anyone with a
board with an Intel ICH5 southbridge.
Even more distressing news if you google in "groups".
Click to expand...


Well I was doing something similar and couldn't find a 'flame' reference.
System failure/cpu test
A8n P4g P4s a7v come up more than P4C

I did find a reference to the USB problems, which IIU was a front USB port
add on cabling problem.(latchup)

For my concerns the 'flame' reference concerned me, as I have put together
many Asus based systems for disabled persons, 'flames' would be ...well
serious.

I'll keep exploring and for now write off 'flame' as colorful language.
 
B

BP

JAD said:
Well I was doing something similar and couldn't find a 'flame' reference.
System failure/cpu test
A8n P4g P4s a7v come up more than P4C

I did find a reference to the USB problems, which IIU was a front USB port
add on cabling problem.(latchup)

For my concerns the 'flame' reference concerned me, as I have put together
many Asus based systems for disabled persons, 'flames' would be ...well
serious.

I'll keep exploring and for now write off 'flame' as colorful language.
Click to expand...
Yes "flame out" is just slang for death. No fires or explosions.
The thread I stumbled across was about a year old and dealt with a number of
people having their P4C's die suddenly after months /year of use and a few
(seemingly) knowledgeable folks explaining the problem as heat related
solder issues or pullout. They even discussed home fixes like using an
exacto to cut away solder and filing down the processor fan brackets so they
don't pull so tight. I'll see if I can find it again (you know google
searches). I was tolds in the Asus group that that problem has been fixed in
newer versions of the board.
The USB issue deals with static discharge when "hot plugging" USB
connections that fry the southbridge controller, USB ports, or entire board.
With much discussion of precautions and home fixes (case grounding issues).
I'll attempt to retrace my steps there too and post back.
 
S

Shep©

Nice analogy!
Yep, I'm standing outside that bar and I know I should just walk away, but
what kind of geek would that make me?
But considering that this is a 44 Asus magnum, the most powerful and
dangerous motherboard in the world, and it could blow my business clean off,
there's just one question I must ask myself: Do I feel lucky? Well do I?
Click to expand...
ROTFLMAO :)

You forgot the,"Punk" :D

Trivia question:
What's the number on,"Dirty Harry's" police badge that he throws into
the river/quary lake at the end of the film and why is it significant?
 
S

Shep©

Wasn't he paying homage to Gary Cooper's sherrif in "High Noon"?
(Yeah, I knew that ;-P )
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Well no.Early in the film Harry is in a coffee shop and over the
Police Radio a 211,"Robbery In Progress" call comes over(which he can
see across the road at the bank,same number as his badge that you see
at the end.Nice touch :)
 
J

JAD

of the film and why is it significant?


because there was 2-211's in the movie..................
 

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