The ca$h cow could be even fatter than it is...

H

hermes

http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/news/0,12597,1286066,00.html

You would think they would do some research before hand. Of course, if
they did that, they might actually have a decent operating system too.

--
hermes
DRM sux! Treacherous Computing kills our virtual civil liberties!
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/index.html
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
http://anti-dmca.org/
http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/unintended_consequences.php

Windows XP crashed.
I am the Blue Screen of Death.
No one hears your screams
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

Other than a reference to Windows 95 and Age of Empires there is very
little to date anything in the article.
Since dates would be very relevant as well as specific facts that are
nonexistent in the article, this seems the quality of junk typical of
the Guardian and their shoddy and just plain worthless reporting.

Then there is the part that seems to suggest Office 97 was a
replacement for Windows 95.

Which is it?
There are no recent facts or facts are nonexistant.
Or
The Guardian staff is so inept they can not produce the sources for
their stories?

My guess is a little or lot of the first and fully the second as is
typical for the Guardian staff.
 
D

David Candy

It comes from a speech by some MS executive. It's in all papers (at least in Australia and it appears Great Britain). But then geography probably would make American papers not run the story - they don't know what the word means.

London: A tiny shading error in a computer program involved Microsoft in a multi-million dollar business fiasco, the head of the firm's geopolitical strategy unit has disclosed.

Tom Edwards told the International Geographical Union congress in Glasgow how erroneously colouring eight out of 800,000 pixels dark rather than light green to represent Kashmir's disputed territory as non-Indian in Windows 95's time zone feature had led to the product being banned in India.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/19/1092889283736.html

Also Raymond Chen has spoken about the same time zone map and said the same thing in explaining why we can't select our time zone the 'good' way.

http://weblogs.asp.net/oldnewthing/archive/2003/08/22/54679.aspx
 
D

David Candy

PS The guy is a geographer, not a programmer. That's why he thinks the timezone map is 800x1000 pixels rather than 357 x 182 (64 974 pxs)

--
----------------------------------------------------------
'Not happy John! Defending our democracy',
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/29/1088392635123.html

It comes from a speech by some MS executive. It's in all papers (at least in Australia and it appears Great Britain). But then geography probably would make American papers not run the story - they don't know what the word means.

London: A tiny shading error in a computer program involved Microsoft in a multi-million dollar business fiasco, the head of the firm's geopolitical strategy unit has disclosed.

Tom Edwards told the International Geographical Union congress in Glasgow how erroneously colouring eight out of 800,000 pixels dark rather than light green to represent Kashmir's disputed territory as non-Indian in Windows 95's time zone feature had led to the product being banned in India.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/19/1092889283736.html

Also Raymond Chen has spoken about the same time zone map and said the same thing in explaining why we can't select our time zone the 'good' way.

http://weblogs.asp.net/oldnewthing/archive/2003/08/22/54679.aspx
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

That article has a few more specifics but not many.
This seems to be making something out of nearly nothing considering
the dates.
Other than a 2 year old game, everything else I saw was ancient by
technology standards.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


It comes from a speech by some MS executive. It's in all papers (at
least in Australia and it appears Great Britain). But then geography
probably would make American papers not run the story - they don't
know what the word means.

London: A tiny shading error in a computer program involved Microsoft
in a multi-million dollar business fiasco, the head of the firm's
geopolitical strategy unit has disclosed.

Tom Edwards told the International Geographical Union congress in
Glasgow how erroneously colouring eight out of 800,000 pixels dark
rather than light green to represent Kashmir's disputed territory as
non-Indian in Windows 95's time zone feature had led to the product
being banned in India.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/19/1092889283736.html

Also Raymond Chen has spoken about the same time zone map and said the
same thing in explaining why we can't select our time zone the 'good'
way.

http://weblogs.asp.net/oldnewthing/archive/2003/08/22/54679.aspx
 
R

Ron AG

They won't explain why MS have released a new SP2 firewall which blocks
incoming intrusions only...
:)
 
H

hermes

Jupiter said:
Other than a reference to Windows 95 and Age of Empires there is very
little to date anything in the article.
Since dates would be very relevant as well as specific facts that are
nonexistent in the article, this seems the quality of junk typical of
the Guardian and their shoddy and just plain worthless reporting.
It seems you would say this kind of thing of any reporting agency who
wasn't blowing roses up M$'s rear.
Then there is the part that seems to suggest Office 97 was a
replacement for Windows 95.
Well, I took that in a very general meaning of newer software replacing
older software. Your biased interpretation is not the only way to
interpret it.
Which is it?
There are no recent facts or facts are nonexistant.
It would seem that since the article is about the history of M$ being
ignorant about geographical and cultural references, that there are not
many recent facts. This however does not discredit the article or it's
source.
Or
The Guardian staff is so inept they can not produce the sources for
their stories?

My guess is a little or lot of the first and fully the second as is
typical for the Guardian staff.
An article does not need dates to make it believable. Most should know
around about when certain software came out, especially since most of
the discussed software has a year in it's nae such as Windows 95 or
Office 97.

--
hermes
DRM sux! Treacherous Computing kills our virtual civil liberties!
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/index.html
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
http://anti-dmca.org/
http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/unintended_consequences.php

Windows XP crashed.
I am the Blue Screen of Death.
No one hears your screams
 
P

Pemo

Jupiter Jones said:
Other than a reference to Windows 95 and Age of Empires there is very
little to date anything in the article.
Since dates would be very relevant as well as specific facts that are
nonexistent in the article, this seems the quality of junk typical of
the Guardian and their shoddy and just plain worthless reporting.
(snip)

Try this, then, from today's Melbourne's respected "The Age" daily
newspaper:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/08/20/1092889289666.html?oneclick=true


Microsoft counts cost of geographical clangers
By Paul Brown
August 20, 2004

Insensitive computer programmers with little knowledge of geography have
cost the US software giant Microsoft hundreds of millions of dollars in lost
business and led hapless company employees to be arrested by offended
governments.
The problem has damaged the company's reputation and the "trust rating",
which is seen as key to keeping the company competitive, has dropped, a
senior Microsoft executive has revealed.

In a frank assessment of the company's problems in trying to be a global
player without offending local sensibilities, Microsoft's senior
geopolitical strategist Tom Edwards said that employees' lack of basic
geography was to blame.

Edwards told the International Geographers Conference in Glasgow yesterday
that the company has now launched geography classes for its staff to avoid
further problems.

He said Americans had a reputation for being ignorant of world affairs. The
annual National Geographic Survey had thrown up the sad fact that only 23
out of 56 young Americans knew the whereabouts of the Pacific Ocean.

"It is therefore no surprise that some of our employees, however bright they
may be, have only a hazy idea about the rest of the world," he said. "The
repercussions on us can be very serious."

**************************

(snip)

This is one of Microsoft's senior people speaking "yesterday". Glasgow
(for the benefit of our geographically-challenged American cousins) is in
Scotland, the country to the immediate north of England.

Our son is in the Australian Air Force, and has served in Iraq. He says he
was stunned at the abysmal ignorance of the US servicemen and women he
encountered there. In particular, they could see nothing wrong with the
disgusting treatment of prisoners in Abu Ghraib, nor the hideous mockery
that Guantanamo Bay represents of all that the US purports to stand for,
with its absolute denial of the most basic human rights and the rule of law.

Microsoft is indicative of the very best of American know-how and
technology, and also indicative of the very worst of the American psyche,
and of the reason the US is held in utter loathing and contempt by the
civilised world.

Pemo
 
P

Pemo

Jupiter Jones said:
Other than a reference to Windows 95 and Age of Empires there is very
little to date anything in the article.
Since dates would be very relevant as well as specific facts that are
nonexistent in the article, this seems the quality of junk typical of
the Guardian and their shoddy and just plain worthless reporting.
(snip)

Try this, then, from today's Melbourne's respected "The Age" daily
newspaper:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/08/20/1092889289666.html?oneclick=true


Microsoft counts cost of geographical clangers
By Paul Brown
August 20, 2004

Insensitive computer programmers with little knowledge of geography have
cost the US software giant Microsoft hundreds of millions of dollars in lost
business and led hapless company employees to be arrested by offended
governments.
The problem has damaged the company's reputation and the "trust rating",
which is seen as key to keeping the company competitive, has dropped, a
senior Microsoft executive has revealed.

In a frank assessment of the company's problems in trying to be a global
player without offending local sensibilities, Microsoft's senior
geopolitical strategist Tom Edwards said that employees' lack of basic
geography was to blame.

Edwards told the International Geographers Conference in Glasgow yesterday
that the company has now launched geography classes for its staff to avoid
further problems.

He said Americans had a reputation for being ignorant of world affairs. The
annual National Geographic Survey had thrown up the sad fact that only 23
out of 56 young Americans knew the whereabouts of the Pacific Ocean.

"It is therefore no surprise that some of our employees, however bright they
may be, have only a hazy idea about the rest of the world," he said. "The
repercussions on us can be very serious."

**************************

(snip)

This is one of Microsoft's senior people speaking "yesterday". Glasgow
(for the benefit of our geographically-challenged American cousins) is in
Scotland, the country to the immediate north of England.

Our son is in the Australian Air Force, and has served in Iraq. He says he
was stunned at the abysmal ignorance of the US servicemen and women he
encountered there. In particular, they could see nothing wrong with the
disgusting treatment of prisoners in Abu Ghraib, nor the hideous mockery
that Guantanamo Bay represents of all that the US purports to stand for,
with its absolute denial of the most basic human rights and the rule of law.

Microsoft is indicative of the very best of American know-how and
technology, and also indicative of the very worst of the American psyche,
and of the reason the US is held in utter loathing and contempt by the
civilised world.

Pemo
 
T

That Mike Guy

Pemo said:
Microsoft is indicative of the very best of American know-how and
technology, and also indicative of the very worst of the American psyche,
and of the reason the US is held in utter loathing and contempt by the
civilised world.


try living among these bastards and bastardettes for 40+ years. :)

wait. an avalanche of "why don't you leave?" comments from american
nincompoops is about to follow. yeah, i'm an american, but strictly in a
legal sense. lol
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Greetings --

Having traveled extensively during a long military career, I can
say that most Americans are no more - nor no less - parochial than are
the citizens of any other country in which I've resided.


Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:



You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH
 
P

Pemo

That Mike Guy said:
try living among these bastards and bastardettes for 40+ years. :)

wait. an avalanche of "why don't you leave?" comments from american
nincompoops is about to follow. yeah, i'm an american, but strictly in a
legal sense. lol

Gates, Ballmer and the other disgusting creeps saw the Michael Douglas film
"Wall Street" about "Greed is Good!" Gordon Gecko, and the bastards thought
it was a corporate training movie.

Pemo
 
D

David Candy

From the UK article

"The annual National Geographic Survey had thrown up the sad fact that only 23 out of 56 young Americans knew the whereabouts of the Pacific Ocean."

It's a question of ignorance not parochial attitudes.

PS there was a pod of dolphins at 5pm yesterday in the pacific ocean. I counted 11 but there were more (I told my mum last time I saw some and she asked "how many?"). The Pacific Ocean is still there I think (it's dark).

PPS The pacific ocean is next to california

PPPS Australia is not next to Germany
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

And Platoon was used as a training movie by the US military.
What does that prove.
Platoon was full of inconsistencies and illegal actions does that make
it a bad training reference?

But it was a good training resource as how not to conduct warfare.

Maybe and maybe it does not explain "thought it was a corporate
training movie."
 
D

David Candy

Someone forced me to watch it on tuesday night, I was just grateful Michael J Fox wasn't in it.. It seems it is a poor training film as it seems to have caused US forces to use bombs in cities thinking that that is ok.
 

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