Good news

R

RJ

Agreed.


francis gérard said:
thanks for that article... interesting reading, better technology and some
healthy competition might just break microsoft's monopoly and the Windows
monoculture... it will be better for everyone, diehard Windows users
included
 
F

francis gérard

PCyr. said:
You do realize that mostly the only people here are the ones helping
people, who are quite comfortable with XP, and people asking for help, who
would be lost on another OS?

You do realize that?

ummm, i'm just wondering, who gave you the authority to speak for "most
people here?"

i think people can read the article and make-up their own minds... without
your help
 
M

Menno Hershberger

Just one more place you've got to sign up to and give them your email
address...
"Sign me up for the FREE Technology Review Emerging Technology email
newsletter
Periodically we will send you information offered by other organizations
or offered jointly with Technology Review. "
Plus blocked advertisements... no thanks.
 
F

francis gérard

Menno Hershberger said:
Just one more place you've got to sign up to and give them your email
address...
"Sign me up for the FREE Technology Review Emerging Technology email
newsletter
Periodically we will send you information offered by other organizations
or offered jointly with Technology Review. "
Plus blocked advertisements... no thanks.

that's bizarre, first time i clicked on the link it allowed me to read the
entire article (4 pages), subsequent visits to the site do exactly as you
say, ask for 'free registration'... i agree, skrew that!

too bad though... the article was well written and worth reading... i
shoulda saved it.
 
M

Mike H

I can see it now.. all of the XP users in here rushing to get an OS where
they can 'chmod', 'grep' and 'ls' to their hearts content.. :)

Maybe you guys should get a 'grep' and stay within the boundaries of
Unix/Linux newsgroups instead of trying to confuse people here..
 
H

hermes

PCyr. said:
You do realize that mostly the only people here are the ones helping people,
who are quite comfortable with XP, and people asking for help, who would be
lost on another OS?

You do realize that?
Yes, but there is nothing wrong with posting a link to an article. If
people read, it may just help open their eyes a bit more to the world of
computing and broaden their view a bit. If they choose not to read it
or the post, that is also fine.

--
hermes
DRM sux! Treacherous Computing kills our virtual civil liberties!
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/index.html
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
http://anti-dmca.org/
http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/unintended_consequences.php

Windows XP crashed.
I am the Blue Screen of Death.
No one hears your screams
 
H

hermes

Menno said:
Just one more place you've got to sign up to and give them your email
address...
"Sign me up for the FREE Technology Review Emerging Technology email
newsletter
Periodically we will send you information offered by other organizations
or offered jointly with Technology Review. "
Plus blocked advertisements... no thanks.


@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
Well, I was able to get to the article without having to sign up for
anything. I assumed the link I posted worked the same. At least they
are not unscrupulous about it like spyware installing itself and other
nasties on the net. They simply request registration. You can always
close the site and not go back.

--
hermes
DRM sux! Treacherous Computing kills our virtual civil liberties!
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/index.html
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
http://anti-dmca.org/
http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/unintended_consequences.php

Windows XP crashed.
I am the Blue Screen of Death.
No one hears your screams
 
H

hermes

francis said:
that's bizarre, first time i clicked on the link it allowed me to read the
entire article (4 pages), subsequent visits to the site do exactly as you
say, ask for 'free registration'... i agree, skrew that!

too bad though... the article was well written and worth reading... i
shoulda saved it.
OIC. Sorry guys, I only went to the site once and it did not prompt
me. I will be more careful about the links I post in the future.
Francis, it is quite possible that if you clear out your cookies and
temp internet files you will be able to get back to the article.

--
hermes
DRM sux! Treacherous Computing kills our virtual civil liberties!
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/index.html
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
http://anti-dmca.org/
http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/unintended_consequences.php

Windows XP crashed.
I am the Blue Screen of Death.
No one hears your screams
 
J

JerryMouse

Menno said:
Just one more place you've got to sign up to and give them your email
address...
"Sign me up for the FREE Technology Review Emerging Technology email
newsletter
Periodically we will send you information offered by other
organizations or offered jointly with Technology Review. "
Plus blocked advertisements... no thanks.

email: (e-mail address removed)
password: letmein
 
J

JerryMouse

hermes said:

Guy gets a cheap-ass computer from Wal-Mart with a knock-off of a 40-year
old operating system originally developed by a money-losing division of your
local telephone company. Somebody put lipstick on this pig and the author
falls in love.

The telling statement:

"... I'd really ordered it for what it didn't have: any Microsoft software
whatsoever..."

Hating Micros~1 is a completely irrational reason for anything and is
indicative of a deep-seated psychological pathology that should be brought
to the attention of mental health professionals.

If my Micros~1 stock goes down because of this review, I'm not going to be
happy.
 
F

francis gérard

Mike H said:
I can see it now.. all of the XP users in here rushing to get an OS where
they can 'chmod', 'grep' and 'ls' to their hearts content.. :)

Maybe you guys should get a 'grep' and stay within the boundaries of
Unix/Linux newsgroups instead of trying to confuse people here..

you obviously didn't read the article, and i suspect you're merely trying to
obfuscate the issue with your own Windows bias and limited knowledge of
linux

the article in question discussed new low-cost PCs with Linspire installed,
and for those who want to know the facts, go here:

http://www.linspire.com/
 
F

francis gérard

OIC. Sorry guys, I only went to the site once and it did not prompt me.
I will be more careful about the links I post in the future. Francis, it
is quite possible that if you clear out your cookies and temp internet
files you will be able to get back to the article.

hi hermes, where you been man, haven't seen you around.

yeah, i thought about clearing the cookie cache or tracking down THE
offending cookie, but i was too lazy. i might do that now though, so i can
re-read the article without signing-up. you know the article was 4 pages
long, right... it wasn't immediately apparent if you weren't paying
attention.

ciao man
 
F

francis gérard

If my Micros~1 stock goes down because of this review, I'm not going to be
happy.

and THAT is a telling statement, in and of itself, Mr $Microsoft$
Shareholder!
 
M

Mike H

francis gérard said:
you obviously didn't read the article, and i suspect you're merely trying to
obfuscate the issue with your own Windows bias and limited knowledge of
linux

the article in question discussed new low-cost PCs with Linspire installed,
and for those who want to know the facts, go here:

http://www.linspire.com/
FYI, I did read the article.. and no, I don't have much experience of
Linux, although I did work with IBM AIX and the RS6000 machines during my
time with IBM.. IBM were starting to load Linux onto pizza servers just
before I retired from IBM.. I have no doubt that Linux/Unix has its place..
IBM may even be loading Linux onto computers designated for sale to home
users, but Linux is probably best used as a 'one task' OS which is what IBM
were doing with it initially.. the essence was that multi unit pizza servers
loaded with Linux would be a more cost effective solution for companies than
an IBM SP, especially the smaller companies.. a well known petro-chemical
company was working in co-operation with IBM on their use for doing
geo-technical research.. all very good stuff.. each array of pizza servers
cost way less than an SP, and it was easy to understand why small companies
would be attracted by this..

The article kept mentioning that office software available was as operable
as the average user would need.. this suggests that it is 'adequate' for
most users.. MS Works Suite is probably adequate for most users, but not for
all.. the Wal-Mart offerings are cheap, making them more cost effective, but
can people load their favourite games onto them, or Corel WordPerfect
Office, or Lotus SmartSuite?.. when a printer is bought, are there Linux
drivers on the cds or do users haver to look for them on the net?.. bear in
mind that most can't even type 'spyware' into a Google search to find
Adaware or Spybot for themselves.. and can Wal-Mart personnel answer
technical questions re Linux like the guy at Future Shop or Staples can?
(what am I saying?.. :) ..

As Linux is made to look and operate like Windows (not a consideration for
companies as the guys who handle computers rarely rely on a GUI), and the
software approaches the abilities of software ported for Windows, so the
hardware requirements will rise.. at that point, will a Linux Wal-Mart
machine be any more cost effective than a Windows PC loaded with OEM OS and
MS Office?.. probably not..

Stay safe

Mike H
 
F

francis gérard

JerryMouse said:
Guy gets a cheap-ass computer from Wal-Mart with a knock-off of a 40-year
old operating system originally developed by a money-losing division of
your
local telephone company. Somebody put lipstick on this pig and the author
falls in love.

The telling statement:

"... I'd really ordered it for what it didn't have: any Microsoft software
whatsoever..."

Hating Micros~1 is a completely irrational reason for anything and is
indicative of a deep-seated psychological pathology that should be brought
to the attention of mental health professionals.

well, mr armchair psychiatrist, by your definition, it could also be said
that an obsessive deep-seated love for anything that is Microsoft would also
be pathological. aha! maybe that would account for the sharp rise in
mental illness we are witnessing in modern society today... yeah, that must
be it, either way, love or hate, it's all Microsoft's fault! ;->
If my Micros~1 stock goes down because of this review, I'm not going to be
happy.

no doubt, but then again, if Linspire is, as you put it, a pig with lipstick
(have to admit, i laughed my @ss off when i read that, at least you have a
wicked sense of humour), then you, as a M$ shareholder, have nothing to
worry about... or do you? ;-)

healthy competition and alternative technology (to Windows) can only raise
the bar at Microsoft... and that benefits everyone, Windows users included,
or have you already forgotten what a fiasco WinME was and what an ongoing
security disaster WindowsXP continues to be?
 
F

francis gérard

FYI, I did read the article.. and no, I don't have much experience of
Linux, although I did work with IBM AIX and the RS6000 machines during my
time with IBM.. IBM were starting to load Linux onto pizza servers just
before I retired from IBM.. I have no doubt that Linux/Unix has its
place..
IBM may even be loading Linux onto computers designated for sale to home
users, but Linux is probably best used as a 'one task' OS which is what
IBM
were doing with it initially.. the essence was that multi unit pizza
servers
loaded with Linux would be a more cost effective solution for companies
than
an IBM SP, especially the smaller companies.. a well known petro-chemical
company was working in co-operation with IBM on their use for doing
geo-technical research.. all very good stuff.. each array of pizza servers
cost way less than an SP, and it was easy to understand why small
companies
would be attracted by this..

my apologies for making assumptions about your knowledge of linux, that was
unfair. yes, IBM and other OEMs are now pre-loading Linux on their retail
boxes, and it's about time too. linux is coming out of the closet (server
room), so to speak, and into the maintstream... that's definitely a good
thing. the microsoft hegemony absolutely needs shaking up, and maybe the
staleness of Windows will begin to change if microsoft is compelled to
'think different.' and i'm not talking about yet another ridiculous Windows
desktop overhaul, xp theme, skin, whatever they like to call it. you know
what they say about beauty, well the same goes for Windows, and not even
then, considering the ugliness of the XP desktop, but that's just my
opinion. what concerns me more, however, are the operating system's
internals, and that is what separates the men (Linux) from the boys
(Windows).
The article kept mentioning that office software available was as operable
as the average user would need.. this suggests that it is 'adequate' for
most users.. MS Works Suite is probably adequate for most users, but not
for
all.. the Wal-Mart offerings are cheap, making them more cost effective,
but
can people load their favourite games onto them, or Corel WordPerfect
Office, or Lotus SmartSuite?.. when a printer is bought, are there Linux
drivers on the cds or do users haver to look for them on the net?.. bear
in
mind that most can't even type 'spyware' into a Google search to find
Adaware or Spybot for themselves.. and can Wal-Mart personnel answer
technical questions re Linux like the guy at Future Shop or Staples can?
(what am I saying?.. :) ..

good points, and i am not advocating buying equipment from any of these
places, particularly the ones you just mentioned. however, the fact that
there are low-cost alternatives to the microsoft monoculture, and built on
an underlying (linux) technology that has proven itself to be solid, that
can only be good for people who just want an inexpensive, fast and
*reliable* system to get online, e-mail, do research, write and print
documents, chat with friends, yadayadayada, and not have to futz with a
bloated operating system (WindowsXP) that has become feature-laden and
abysmal at multitasking (compared to NT4/2K), prone to anomalies requiring
complete reinstalls (a routine common among many so-called windows
power-users) and is routinely targeted and attacked by hackers. i'd say
anything BUT Windows would be a good place to start.
As Linux is made to look and operate like Windows (not a consideration for
companies as the guys who handle computers rarely rely on a GUI), and the
software approaches the abilities of software ported for Windows, so the
hardware requirements will rise.. at that point, will a Linux Wal-Mart
machine be any more cost effective than a Windows PC loaded with OEM OS
and
MS Office?.. probably not..

well, in the case of these machines, with the Linspire OS pre-loaded, the
user interface is already completely graphical, and some would even say,
more intuitive than Windows', and surely you're not saying linux gurus don't
rely on GUIs like X-Windows?

and let's not forget, microsoft had nothing to do with the original concept
of a GUI, it was invented by xerox, then perfected by Apple, among several
others. there are far better implementations of a GUI environment than MS
Windows, starting with the true object-oriented environments, not
file-oriented, like Windows.
 

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