Testing Linux . . .

[Vusta]

Please tell what will happen when MS drops support for XP this year. The
vast number (the un-countable number) of XP destops on, not just the home
PC's but corporate\business desktops, out number, the number of sand grains
on the planet. That would be the envy of not just the Linux distributors,
it's OK your not alone. Neither are XP users as they will supported will
into the end of this decade.

Vista may not (in my opinion) enjoy the success of XP, but the next verion
of Windows (code named Vienna) will. Vista seems to be (again in my opinion)
as transition, to 64-bit computing for both the home and business. The world
just isn't ready for it. You should know that with Linux, there have been
64-bit distro's long before Vista (SuSE to name one), but who has heard of
it?

Apple Mac on the other hand are entering there period of maturity. Now their
hardware will run both their proprietry OS, and, hold on to your chair,
Windows. Linux would (*maybe*) increase it's presents if it's user's (and
advocates), dropped their insistance on OpenOffice, which like Linux not
many people have heard of, and lobby MS to make MS Office for Linux, and
Internet Explorer for Linux. It's time for Linux to start playing ball like
Mac is.

As for hardware, I think it's great Linux will run like lightening on
minimal hardware. I'm sold on that, but sell it to hardware manufactures, do
you really think they would want that? Great for the home budget, keep your
current home PC for 10 to 15 years, Linux will run on it.

In brief, XP users will not be meeting up with Linux on that end of the
creek, neither will Vista users. I do prefer that bubble that generates
billions of dollars, not the poor relative.

- Vusta

: On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:52:49 -0700, XS11E wrote:
:
: >
: >> Well... it was that easy to boot from the CD, however on all five
: >> machines I tried it on (6.0.6.1, 6.10, 7.04 beta), following the
: >> instructions was impossible, since the screen contents were
: >> totally unreadable. They all had ATI graphics chips/cards.
: >> Now, admittedly that was only 5 out of 5...
: >>
: >> Note that I had no such problems with PCLinuxOS.
: >
: > And the religious wars begin....
:
: Sorry to burst your bubble. It points out one of the strengths of Linux -
: CHOICE. If one distro has problems (you can usually get around them with
: boot prompt 'cheatcodes') you can try another - you'll probably find one
: that works quite nicely. If vista fails to install (see a recent post
: here) what are you going to do? And you certainly won't be installing
: vista on 'older hardware' - what happens when MS drops support for xp
: later this year? I guess you're up the creek.
:

 

[ray]

What is the "it" that I can't get installed? I'm unaware of anything I have
which is currently not installable on my systems.

If you'd read the posts in the NG you'd find that there are indeed several
folks having great difficulty getting vista to install - that is 'it'.

I observe that your system is perfect and since it works, vista must be
perfect.

For the record:
1) I have never insisted that Linux or any other OS is perfect.
2) I acknowledge that there are perfectly valid reasons why some folks
should not attempt to run Linux.
3) I believe that current Linux systems would fully meet all the
expectations and requirements of at least 95% of computer users if they
would give it a fair trial.
4) I observe from you comments that you believe that neither I nor anyone
else should be allowed to use anything but MS.

 

[Frank]

"Five year ‘extended support’ added to two years of customer service".

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16805062/

Frank

 

[Vusta]

Observe your point number 3. When one advocates a "fair trial" or a "fair
go", it is then one should realise they are indeed at the bottom of the
heap, and not the under dog. Still on your point number 3, why don't users
give Linux a "fair trial"? Still on that point, why is Windows (in any
flavour) the worlds most popular OS, with no second?

- Vusta

: On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:26:57 +0100, cvp wrote:
:
: >>> Now, all those problems don't exist with Vista. So that's the way I
: >>> headed.
: >>> It hasn't all been plain sailing, but all the bits are now in place.
: >>
: >> I guess they exist in vista if you can't get it installed as a recent
post
: >> indicated.
: >
: >
: > What is the "it" that I can't get installed? I'm unaware of anything I
have
: > which is currently not installable on my systems.
: >
:
: If you'd read the posts in the NG you'd find that there are indeed several
: folks having great difficulty getting vista to install - that is 'it'.
:
: I observe that your system is perfect and since it works, vista must be
: perfect.
:
: For the record:
: 1) I have never insisted that Linux or any other OS is perfect.
: 2) I acknowledge that there are perfectly valid reasons why some folks
: should not attempt to run Linux.
: 3) I believe that current Linux systems would fully meet all the
: expectations and requirements of at least 95% of computer users if they
: would give it a fair trial.
: 4) I observe from you comments that you believe that neither I nor anyone
: else should be allowed to use anything but MS.
:
:
: >
: >
: > : >> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:07:50 +0100, cvp wrote:
: >>
: >>> Burst MY bubble? What are you talking about?
: >>>
: >>> Let me instead burst your bubble:
: >>> All of my machines are working fine on Vista (several don't have Aero,
: >>> but
: >>> that's hardly a problem). I kept some on XP for a while, but after
: >>> observing
: >>> a few problems that I can live with, it was time to move on.
: >>> I was tempted to try a few linuxes to see if that was (currently) a
: >>> viable
: >>> alternative, but it wasn't:
: >>
: >> It does not burst my bubble because:
: >>
: >>>
: >>> Some linux problems for me:
: >>> Lack of support from my company-mandated VPN supplier.
: >>
: >> I don't have one.
: >>
: >>> Driver support for Canon MF3110 printer
: >>
: >> I don't have one.
: >>
: >>> Driver support for Samsung DDTT printer
: >>
: >> I don't have one.
: >>
: >>> Driver support for KWorld 7131 TV tuner cards.
: >>
: >> I don't have one.
: >>
: >>> Driver support for Highpoint 2240 (I can get the source, but didn't
feel
: >>> like spending the effort modding the distro - maybe if there were no
: >>> other
: >>> issues)
: >>
: >> I don't have one.
: >>
: >> I do, howerver have fine support for:
: >> Epson Photo Perfection R320 printer
: >> Brother HL1440 Laser printer
: >> Apollo p2200 inkjet printer
: >> Dlink WNA2330 wireless card
: >> External USB hard drive
: >> Kodak P850 digital camera and printer dock
: >> etc.
: >>
: >>> What to do with 60,000 lossless .wma files (converting to flac isn't
the
: >>> problem, the tagging, and manual time spent getting it correct is).
: >>> A bunch of apps and utilities that don't support linux.
: >>> 64-bit support (combined with above)
: >>> 7TB drive support.
: >>>
: >>> Now, all those problems don't exist with Vista. So that's the way I
: >>> headed.
: >>> It hasn't all been plain sailing, but all the bits are now in place.
: >>
: >> I guess they exist in vista if you can't get it installed as a recent
post
: >> indicated.
: >>
: >>>
: >>> So get back to me about bubble bursting when any single linux distro
has
: >>> all
: >>> the above (or even most of them) solved.
: >>>
: >>>
: >>> : >>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:52:49 -0700, XS11E wrote:
: >>>>
: >>>>>
: >>>>>> Well... it was that easy to boot from the CD, however on all five
: >>>>>> machines I tried it on (6.0.6.1, 6.10, 7.04 beta), following the
: >>>>>> instructions was impossible, since the screen contents were
: >>>>>> totally unreadable. They all had ATI graphics chips/cards.
: >>>>>> Now, admittedly that was only 5 out of 5...
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>> Note that I had no such problems with PCLinuxOS.
: >>>>>
: >>>>> And the religious wars begin....
: >>>>
: >>>> Sorry to burst your bubble. It points out one of the strengths of
: >>>> Linux -
: >>>> CHOICE. If one distro has problems (you can usually get around them
with
: >>>> boot prompt 'cheatcodes') you can try another - you'll probably find
one
: >>>> that works quite nicely. If vista fails to install (see a recent post
: >>>> here) what are you going to do? And you certainly won't be installing
: >>>> vista on 'older hardware' - what happens when MS drops support for xp
: >>>> later this year? I guess you're up the creek.
: >>>>
: >>
:

 

[cvp]

I had assumed that the "you" in a post addressed to me was also meant to
refer to me, not other people.

4) I observe from you comments that you believe that neither I nor anyone
else should be allowed to use anything but MS.

Then you observe incorrectly. I have commented many times in this forum that
I expect linux to become a viable desktop alternative. It's just not there
yet. The key to it (or them) becoming viable is not your point 3 (users
giving it a fair chance). Users are in general quite willing to do that. No,
the key is ensuring that the complete 4-legged stool infrastructure that
feeds on itself is in place (system, OS, hardware components, applications).
Each one of these providers is driven by the demand created by the others.
Desktop linux *has* made great strides, but the other 3 legs need to be in
place, and currently they're not.
In fact the infrastructure requirements are lessened greatly for server
environments and dedicated client devices. That's why linux has much greater
penetration in those environments. Look at any server sytem, server hardware
component, or server application provider, and you'll find (well... 95%)
that linux variants are high on their list of supported environments. When
you see the desktop equivalent providers of those items supporting (or being
pushed into supporting) linux, you'll know that linux has made it. If I were
to guess, it's more than 1 year, less than 5.

 

[Vusta]

You must also consider the fifth factor in the four ledded stool cvp. The
ring that binds the legs. With Windows, everyone up to (but excluding
obviously) the consumer, gets their pocket lined to some capacity.

Before you want Vista, or get Vista, there must be a hardware requirement to
run it (sorry for being that obvious). RAM manufactures get paid,
graphic\video card manufactures get paid, there are now computer suppliers
like Dell, HP, on their website stating Microsoft Vista Business is prefered
choice by such and such, for such and such product.

Consumer purchase of Vista pays off for more than just Microsoft. Linux is
not cutting it business wise, to the same effect, especially when people
boast here how little resources Linux needs to operate fast and efficiently.
Very good, but what is in for me says nVidia, ATI, Gigabyte,.... They don't
want you to dust off the old PIII 550 to put Linux on.

Here in this news group everyone knows of Linux, in the general population
it's Windows, Word, and Excel. Linux doesn't pay off as many other
manufactures as Microsoft products do. The ring that binds those legs is
business, and Linux is failing at that.

If any MS operating system was going to send them up the creek, it would
have been Window 95, first release. They survived it.

- Vusta

:I had assumed that the "you" in a post addressed to me was also meant to
: refer to me, not other people.
:
: > 4) I observe from you comments that you believe that neither I nor
anyone
: > else should be allowed to use anything but MS.
:
: Then you observe incorrectly. I have commented many times in this forum
that
: I expect linux to become a viable desktop alternative. It's just not there
: yet. The key to it (or them) becoming viable is not your point 3 (users
: giving it a fair chance). Users are in general quite willing to do that.
No,
: the key is ensuring that the complete 4-legged stool infrastructure that
: feeds on itself is in place (system, OS, hardware components,
applications).
: Each one of these providers is driven by the demand created by the others.
: Desktop linux *has* made great strides, but the other 3 legs need to be in
: place, and currently they're not.
: In fact the infrastructure requirements are lessened greatly for server
: environments and dedicated client devices. That's why linux has much
greater
: penetration in those environments. Look at any server sytem, server
hardware
: component, or server application provider, and you'll find (well... 95%)
: that linux variants are high on their list of supported environments. When
: you see the desktop equivalent providers of those items supporting (or
being
: pushed into supporting) linux, you'll know that linux has made it. If I
were
: to guess, it's more than 1 year, less than 5.
:
:
: : > On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:26:57 +0100, cvp wrote:
: >
: >>>> Now, all those problems don't exist with Vista. So that's the way I
: >>>> headed.
: >>>> It hasn't all been plain sailing, but all the bits are now in place.
: >>>
: >>> I guess they exist in vista if you can't get it installed as a recent
: >>> post
: >>> indicated.
: >>
: >>
: >> What is the "it" that I can't get installed? I'm unaware of anything I
: >> have
: >> which is currently not installable on my systems.
: >>
: >
: > If you'd read the posts in the NG you'd find that there are indeed
several
: > folks having great difficulty getting vista to install - that is 'it'.
: >
: > I observe that your system is perfect and since it works, vista must be
: > perfect.
: >
: > For the record:
: > 1) I have never insisted that Linux or any other OS is perfect.
: > 2) I acknowledge that there are perfectly valid reasons why some folks
: > should not attempt to run Linux.
: > 3) I believe that current Linux systems would fully meet all the
: > expectations and requirements of at least 95% of computer users if they
: > would give it a fair trial.
: > 4) I observe from you comments that you believe that neither I nor
anyone
: > else should be allowed to use anything but MS.
: >
: >
: >>
: >>
: >> : >>> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:07:50 +0100, cvp wrote:
: >>>
: >>>> Burst MY bubble? What are you talking about?
: >>>>
: >>>> Let me instead burst your bubble:
: >>>> All of my machines are working fine on Vista (several don't have
Aero,
: >>>> but
: >>>> that's hardly a problem). I kept some on XP for a while, but after
: >>>> observing
: >>>> a few problems that I can live with, it was time to move on.
: >>>> I was tempted to try a few linuxes to see if that was (currently) a
: >>>> viable
: >>>> alternative, but it wasn't:
: >>>
: >>> It does not burst my bubble because:
: >>>
: >>>>
: >>>> Some linux problems for me:
: >>>> Lack of support from my company-mandated VPN supplier.
: >>>
: >>> I don't have one.
: >>>
: >>>> Driver support for Canon MF3110 printer
: >>>
: >>> I don't have one.
: >>>
: >>>> Driver support for Samsung DDTT printer
: >>>
: >>> I don't have one.
: >>>
: >>>> Driver support for KWorld 7131 TV tuner cards.
: >>>
: >>> I don't have one.
: >>>
: >>>> Driver support for Highpoint 2240 (I can get the source, but didn't
: >>>> feel
: >>>> like spending the effort modding the distro - maybe if there were no
: >>>> other
: >>>> issues)
: >>>
: >>> I don't have one.
: >>>
: >>> I do, howerver have fine support for:
: >>> Epson Photo Perfection R320 printer
: >>> Brother HL1440 Laser printer
: >>> Apollo p2200 inkjet printer
: >>> Dlink WNA2330 wireless card
: >>> External USB hard drive
: >>> Kodak P850 digital camera and printer dock
: >>> etc.
: >>>
: >>>> What to do with 60,000 lossless .wma files (converting to flac isn't
: >>>> the
: >>>> problem, the tagging, and manual time spent getting it correct is).
: >>>> A bunch of apps and utilities that don't support linux.
: >>>> 64-bit support (combined with above)
: >>>> 7TB drive support.
: >>>>
: >>>> Now, all those problems don't exist with Vista. So that's the way I
: >>>> headed.
: >>>> It hasn't all been plain sailing, but all the bits are now in place.
: >>>
: >>> I guess they exist in vista if you can't get it installed as a recent
: >>> post
: >>> indicated.
: >>>
: >>>>
: >>>> So get back to me about bubble bursting when any single linux distro
: >>>> has
: >>>> all
: >>>> the above (or even most of them) solved.
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>> : >>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:52:49 -0700, XS11E wrote:
: >>>>>
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>>> Well... it was that easy to boot from the CD, however on all five
: >>>>>>> machines I tried it on (6.0.6.1, 6.10, 7.04 beta), following the
: >>>>>>> instructions was impossible, since the screen contents were
: >>>>>>> totally unreadable. They all had ATI graphics chips/cards.
: >>>>>>> Now, admittedly that was only 5 out of 5...
: >>>>>>>
: >>>>>>> Note that I had no such problems with PCLinuxOS.
: >>>>>>
: >>>>>> And the religious wars begin....
: >>>>>
: >>>>> Sorry to burst your bubble. It points out one of the strengths of
: >>>>> Linux -
: >>>>> CHOICE. If one distro has problems (you can usually get around them
: >>>>> with
: >>>>> boot prompt 'cheatcodes') you can try another - you'll probably find
: >>>>> one
: >>>>> that works quite nicely. If vista fails to install (see a recent
post
: >>>>> here) what are you going to do? And you certainly won't be
installing
: >>>>> vista on 'older hardware' - what happens when MS drops support for
xp
: >>>>> later this year? I guess you're up the creek.
: >>>>>
: >>>
: >
:

 

[cvp]

Nice conspiracy theory, but I don't buy it. Each of the 4 legs is driven
independently by competition and customer requirements. The TV tuner card
supplier competes on price and function in his own little niche and is happy
to expand his base by supporting old and new. Increase penetration and/or
upgrade function - the only two options. Just like each of the legs. Except
where penetration is already at maximum, the only dimension is upgrade
function. But even that has to be perceived as by the consumer as a
worthwile investment. The memory providers etc. aren't in the driving seat.
They just get carried by the wave.

 

[Vusta]

Nice conspiracy theory...? Na! There are market movements, no conspiracies
though. But I do understand your point, where is Linux today after all these
years?

"The memory providers etc. aren't in the driving seat" That's what I said,
What\who made that wave, Linux? Na! They're failing at the busines end.

- Vusta

: Nice conspiracy theory, but I don't buy it. Each of the 4 legs is driven
: independently by competition and customer requirements. The TV tuner card
: supplier competes on price and function in his own little niche and is
happy
: to expand his base by supporting old and new. Increase penetration and/or
: upgrade function - the only two options. Just like each of the legs.
Except
: where penetration is already at maximum, the only dimension is upgrade
: function. But even that has to be perceived as by the consumer as a
: worthwile investment. The memory providers etc. aren't in the driving
seat.
: They just get carried by the wave.

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP]

There are many machines that have been out on stage for a while that do not
have to be upgraded for Vista.. gamers, hobbyists users into video and photo
editing, and those who bought MCE machines will most likely not have to
upgrade anything.. in other cases, a 512mb RAM stick and $60 video card will
be enough.. those most likely to lose out are the ones who were determined
to run XP with as basic a config as was possible, maintaining that nothing
should require more than 128 or 256mb RAM, but in reality, they lost out
anyway..

If you want to know what is best for any OS, look at the top machine in a
manufacturer range.. it is the same kind of lineup as one sees in the auto
industry.. the 289 will give you a taste, but the blown and injected 454 is
where it is at.. why should the rules for computers be any different to
anything else?

The Linux distros, with their new found GUIs and fancy graphics effects now
have minimum memory limits.. presently, it is 256 - 512mb, but it is to be
expected that an OS that has the look and feel of Windows 6 - 7 years ago
would not require more than Windows did back then..

I recently ran a live version of PCLinuxOS, and was playing about with the
games.. there is a version of the old game 'Super Breakout' included in the
distro.. I had a few minutes fun with it, but was disappointed that a voice
declared 'awwww shit' every time a ball was lost.. not good..

Linux was ported to x86 as a cheap alternative for commerce.. instead of
having to buy one machine costing in basic form anything around $20,000 and
up, it was possible to use 'Pizza slice' hot pluggable PC servers to do the
same job.. the cost was not much different, but the fact that one of these
slices can be removed in the event of failure, leaving the rest running, was
a far better scenario than, say, an IBM RS6000 H50 coming to a complete
standstill, while it awaited unimaginable repair costs..

The original concept never included a Windows alternative, and sad to say
still doesn't. The more that Linux becomes like Windows, the more bloated it
will get. The 'free' aspect will disappear, and there are already statements
being made by some that Open Source is not an acronym for 'FREE'.

The Linux Distos that do challenge Windows have to be paid for now. The only
way any OS can make it big time is with a concerted, unified effort. The
distro that wins out will be the one orchestrated by a company just like MS.

Nice conspiracy theory...? Na! There are market movements, no conspiracies
though. But I do understand your point, where is Linux today after all
these
years?

"The memory providers etc. aren't in the driving seat" That's what I said,
What\who made that wave, Linux? Na! They're failing at the busines end.

- Vusta

: Nice conspiracy theory, but I don't buy it. Each of the 4 legs is driven
: independently by competition and customer requirements. The TV tuner
card
: supplier competes on price and function in his own little niche and is
happy
: to expand his base by supporting old and new. Increase penetration
and/or
: upgrade function - the only two options. Just like each of the legs.
Except
: where penetration is already at maximum, the only dimension is upgrade
: function. But even that has to be perceived as by the consumer as a
: worthwile investment. The memory providers etc. aren't in the driving
seat.
: They just get carried by the wave.

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Nina DiBoy]

There are many machines that have been out on stage for a while that do
not have to be upgraded for Vista.. gamers, hobbyists users into video
and photo editing, and those who bought MCE machines will most likely
not have to upgrade anything.. in other cases, a 512mb RAM stick and $60
video card will be enough.. those most likely to lose out are the ones

There are at least some machines like that. Mine was one of them, I had
only to add a new NIC.

who were determined to run XP with as basic a config as was possible,
maintaining that nothing should require more than 128 or 256mb RAM, but
in reality, they lost out anyway..

If you want to know what is best for any OS, look at the top machine in
a manufacturer range.. it is the same kind of lineup as one sees in the
auto industry.. the 289 will give you a taste, but the blown and
injected 454 is where it is at.. why should the rules for computers be
any different to anything else?

This would be true if there weren't so many issues with crappy drivers!
It's the fault of the mfgs. as well as the poorly implemented stuff by
MS (the often incorrect Upgrade advisor and the crappy logo program).

The Linux distros, with their new found GUIs and fancy graphics effects
now have minimum memory limits.. presently, it is 256 - 512mb, but it is
to be expected that an OS that has the look and feel of Windows 6 - 7
years ago would not require more than Windows did back then..

Shows how little you know of such things.

I recently ran a live version of PCLinuxOS, and was playing about with
the games.. there is a version of the old game 'Super Breakout' included
in the distro.. I had a few minutes fun with it, but was disappointed
that a voice declared 'awwww shit' every time a ball was lost.. not
good..

LOL, that's hilarious! What, no sense of humor MIke?

Linux was ported to x86 as a cheap alternative for commerce.. instead of
having to buy one machine costing in basic form anything around $20,000
and up, it was possible to use 'Pizza slice' hot pluggable PC servers to
do the same job.. the cost was not much different, but the fact that one
of these slices can be removed in the event of failure, leaving the rest
running, was a far better scenario than, say, an IBM RS6000 H50 coming
to a complete standstill, while it awaited unimaginable repair costs..

So you read Linus Torvold's mind when he created linux?

The original concept never included a Windows alternative, and sad to
say still doesn't. The more that Linux becomes like Windows, the more
bloated it will get. The 'free' aspect will disappear, and there are
already statements being made by some that Open Source is not an acronym
for 'FREE'.

That's because it's true. You can choose to pay for the
software/support on most open source projects.

The Linux Distos that do challenge Windows have to be paid for now. The
only way any OS can make it big time is with a concerted, unified
effort. The distro that wins out will be the one orchestrated by a
company just like MS.

And you know this because you have tried all distros, right?

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"hahaha...oh, I do detect a hint of jealousy or what! Where Darrell
actually helps people all you do is beg for attention. Shame on you! Go
get professional psychological clinical help with your obvious problems
and stop your bandwidth sucking bullshit postings in this ng. (rip,
snort, belch, burp, chuckle)"

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[DP]

And the religious wars begin....

Ubuntu = Sunni
Mandriva = Shia
PCLinuxOS=Kurds

 

[paparowe]

Vusta, you must be related to Billionaire Gates. No insult intended, but
you gotta take into consideration all of us out here who are just getting
darned sick and tired of having to shell out another grand or two just to
keep up with the Gates`. I would love to keep my `puter around for 10 to 15
years . . . THAT is why I am testing out Linux Ubuntu v7.04. Happy
Spending!

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP]

you don't have to shell out two grand to have a computer on which Vista runs
well.. not even close..

Vusta, you must be related to Billionaire Gates. No insult intended, but
you gotta take into consideration all of us out here who are just getting
darned sick and tired of having to shell out another grand or two just to
keep up with the Gates`. I would love to keep my `puter around for 10 to
15 years . . . THAT is why I am testing out Linux Ubuntu v7.04. Happy
Spending!

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Julian]

you don't have to shell out two grand to have a computer on which Vista
runs well.. not even close..

£469 Dell E520 runs Vista Home Premium very well.

 

[Alias]

you don't have to shell out two grand to have a computer on which Vista
runs well.. not even close..

For Vista Ultimate it's pretty close. Remember, paparowe was talking
about the wimpy dollar, not the euro or pound sterling.

That said, I am looking forward to trying out Ubuntu 7.04 on my eight
year old computer. Cost: ZERO!

Alias

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP]

Alias

Prove what you are saying, and I am still awaiting that e-mail..

For Vista Ultimate it's pretty close. Remember, paparowe was talking about
the wimpy dollar, not the euro or pound sterling.

That said, I am looking forward to trying out Ubuntu 7.04 on my eight year
old computer. Cost: ZERO!

Alias

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP]

Even in Canada, a computer could be easily upgraded to run Vista for around
$400, and that would include new mobo, cpu, RAM and video card.. most would
require maybe only RAM and video card..

£469 Dell E520 runs Vista Home Premium very well.

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

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Prove what you are saying,

What that the dollar is wimpy?

and I am still awaiting that e-mail..

Well, if you're not trolling for clients by using your real email on
Usenet, why do you do it? Love of spam? Stupidity?

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Even in Canada, a computer could be easily upgraded to run Vista for
around $400, and that would include new mobo, cpu, RAM and video card..
most would require maybe only RAM and video card..

Vista Basic or Vista Ultimate? With Ubuntu, one wouldn't have to upgrade
*anything*, making it almost a grand cheaper. If you throw MS office
into the picture, even cheaper.

Oh, and do you mean Canadian or US dollars?

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[Julian]

Vista Basic or Vista Ultimate? With Ubuntu, one wouldn't have to upgrade
*anything*, making it almost a grand cheaper. If you throw MS office into
the picture, even cheaper.

Oh, and do you mean Canadian or US dollars?

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nb.
Although the exchange rate is approx £1 = $2
prices in the UK are generally on a 1:1 ratio.
That is... a CD that costs $10 in the USA costs £10 in the UK... what a
swizz!