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Chad Harris
Censorsoft.
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Guest
Well, looks like that message got through. Expect to have it censored within
the hour
the hour
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Mark D. VandenBerg
Is it still paranoia if people really are out to get you?
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Chad Harris
I have 3 posted last night that were serious posts and did not get through
and they will not let on as new posts right now. Some chickenshitted bottom
feeder at Redmond is stopping them. That's not going to make Vista better.
Backing up RTM 6 months is.
To get the content on, I have to sneak them into the body of other posts. I
like your site.
Gates broke bread at his home with a man responsible for killing hundreds of
people and imprisoning thousands. China is a terrorist governed country no
bones about it. MSFT allows China to censor MSN search, and reports sites
so that China can jail and torture individuals. Someone ask me to document
this. Bring it.
That's kind of the antithesis of Melinda taking the Gulfstream over with
catered food and cradling African babies with flies in front of their faces.
It's not the humane treatment that Bill, Melinda and Warren Buffett had in
mind but Bill wanted to pratically get a couple billion in sales going in
China.
CH
and they will not let on as new posts right now. Some chickenshitted bottom
feeder at Redmond is stopping them. That's not going to make Vista better.
Backing up RTM 6 months is.
To get the content on, I have to sneak them into the body of other posts. I
like your site.
Gates broke bread at his home with a man responsible for killing hundreds of
people and imprisoning thousands. China is a terrorist governed country no
bones about it. MSFT allows China to censor MSN search, and reports sites
so that China can jail and torture individuals. Someone ask me to document
this. Bring it.
That's kind of the antithesis of Melinda taking the Gulfstream over with
catered food and cradling African babies with flies in front of their faces.
It's not the humane treatment that Bill, Melinda and Warren Buffett had in
mind but Bill wanted to pratically get a couple billion in sales going in
China.
CH
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Chad Harris
No. It's making sure you get them before they get you. The truth wins out.
The only thing MSFT listens to is the "caching" growing fainter as the
migrations to Vista don't happen near as fast as projected and when sales
don't take off.
CH
The only thing MSFT listens to is the "caching" growing fainter as the
migrations to Vista don't happen near as fast as projected and when sales
don't take off.
CH
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Guest
Your Post's are Loading Up Just Fine on My Computer Using WLMD (Windows Live
Mail Desktop Public Beta) with Windows Vista Build 5472, Just FYI.
P.S. The only Deleted Post's that I noticed so far is the Fake Bill Gates
Post and the Fake Steve Ballmer Post, as well as 2 Replies to those Fake
Post's, Also Just FYI.
Mail Desktop Public Beta) with Windows Vista Build 5472, Just FYI.
P.S. The only Deleted Post's that I noticed so far is the Fake Bill Gates
Post and the Fake Steve Ballmer Post, as well as 2 Replies to those Fake
Post's, Also Just FYI.
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Chad Harris
Kevin --
I saw them cross off a number of my posts, and some they won't let on.
CH
I saw them cross off a number of my posts, and some they won't let on.
CH
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jonah
On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 16:19:52 -0400, "Chad Harris"
What do you mean Chad are you being censored in this NG by MSFT
employees?
Do you have a blog or a website, you can post there and link to it, I
would certainly subscribe.
Jonah
What do you mean Chad are you being censored in this NG by MSFT
employees?
Do you have a blog or a website, you can post there and link to it, I
would certainly subscribe.
Jonah
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]
Exactly what posts?
What is the subject as well as Time? Date?
I see many from you going back which indicates there is no blanket
censorship of your posts.
While some shout censorship, the usual cause is on the other end or even the
posting computer.
Posts often claimed as censored are often posted and available for all.
But, these newsgroups are owned and controlled by Microsoft and Microsoft
has every right to exercise control on what is posted here.
If anyone has a problem with how Microsoft manages Microsoft property, that
is their problem and not a Microsoft problem.
That also applies to any type of forum anywhere that is privately owned.
What is the subject as well as Time? Date?
I see many from you going back which indicates there is no blanket
censorship of your posts.
While some shout censorship, the usual cause is on the other end or even the
posting computer.
Posts often claimed as censored are often posted and available for all.
But, these newsgroups are owned and controlled by Microsoft and Microsoft
has every right to exercise control on what is posted here.
If anyone has a problem with how Microsoft manages Microsoft property, that
is their problem and not a Microsoft problem.
That also applies to any type of forum anywhere that is privately owned.
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Jeff
Hi Jupiter!!
Jeff
Jeff
Jupiter Jones said:
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Chad Harris
Thanks Jonah.
Yes. They have taken to cutting my posts out or trying to block them. They
should fire the bottom feeders that pick up a paycheck censoring (MSFT
apparently likes to emulate its Totalitarian friend the Chinese Government)
and put the money in the Gates Foundation or pour it into fixing Vista--not
the 500 million Vista ad campaign.
My posts are none of the rubric you seen in the normal "MSFT sucks" posts.
They are aimed at improving Vista. Some of them point out the total lack of
transparency which is the direction MSFT has been moving toward lately.
I don't have a blog, Jonah but after I get some decent Vista info, MSFT has
not gotten off its ass to put much on its sites yet, (their writers haven't
done much on several key features of Vista), I'll probably make a site.
CH
Yes. They have taken to cutting my posts out or trying to block them. They
should fire the bottom feeders that pick up a paycheck censoring (MSFT
apparently likes to emulate its Totalitarian friend the Chinese Government)
and put the money in the Gates Foundation or pour it into fixing Vista--not
the 500 million Vista ad campaign.
My posts are none of the rubric you seen in the normal "MSFT sucks" posts.
They are aimed at improving Vista. Some of them point out the total lack of
transparency which is the direction MSFT has been moving toward lately.
I don't have a blog, Jonah but after I get some decent Vista info, MSFT has
not gotten off its ass to put much on its sites yet, (their writers haven't
done much on several key features of Vista), I'll probably make a site.
CH
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Michael Cecil
Actually, these newsgroups are propagated to numerous other newsservers
and MS has no way to control them. Any decent newsserver ignores cancel
requests after all. There are plenty of free newsservers out there. If
you're worried about MS, don't use their newsserver.
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Chad Harris
The posts are in your inbox. Is it a requirement of the MVP relationship
that MSFT at the lowest level possible (school would not be necessary to be
a censor) has access to your inbox Jupiter, or do you have control of it?
CH
that MSFT at the lowest level possible (school would not be necessary to be
a censor) has access to your inbox Jupiter, or do you have control of it?
CH
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Chad Harris
What say you Jupiter? Are you proud of the company that invites you to
Redmond and ploys you with swag for years of faithful service in place of
their Convergys of Ohio contract support?
Jupiter why not call MSFT Support (PSS) right now and tell the Indian
minimum waged butts in seats you have a hypothetical windoz problem and see
what trash you get?
Jupiter are you willing to bet a lot of money that you can do a repair
install on Windows XP with what 10 of the 300 OEM named partners ship in the
form of media or a partition versus someone else experienced in doing it
with a genuine XP CD or in the case of Vista make Win RE work under the same
circumstances? Keep in mind that those of us doing extensive testing of Win
RE in Vista are finding that it comes up way short statistically cf. with a
Repair Install in XP.
CH
Redmond and ploys you with swag for years of faithful service in place of
their Convergys of Ohio contract support?
Jupiter why not call MSFT Support (PSS) right now and tell the Indian
minimum waged butts in seats you have a hypothetical windoz problem and see
what trash you get?
Jupiter are you willing to bet a lot of money that you can do a repair
install on Windows XP with what 10 of the 300 OEM named partners ship in the
form of media or a partition versus someone else experienced in doing it
with a genuine XP CD or in the case of Vista make Win RE work under the same
circumstances? Keep in mind that those of us doing extensive testing of Win
RE in Vista are finding that it comes up way short statistically cf. with a
Repair Install in XP.
CH
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Chad Harris
I can see my posts. So I'm not worried. But I cannot control the fact that
percentage wise a higher percentage use the NNTP newsreader Michael. I have
no idea how many people use the absolutely crappy web community interface
that the cretins who tend it can't fix. They are the true prime
inhabitants of Darwin's Waiting Room and paranoid to boot.
CH
percentage wise a higher percentage use the NNTP newsreader Michael. I have
no idea how many people use the absolutely crappy web community interface
that the cretins who tend it can't fix. They are the true prime
inhabitants of Darwin's Waiting Room and paranoid to boot.
CH
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Chad Harris
Jonah I will email you a copy.
Thanks
CH
Thanks
CH
jonah said:
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Guest
I called microsoft two days ago. Dial 1-800-MICROSOFT, push one for french,
two for spanish, or stay on the line for english. As soon as these greeting
messages are done, it rings once, and you are immediatly transfered to a
non-Indian, completely american, easy to understand, person. Immediatly. Ok,
I wasn't calling for technical support, I was calling because I was asking
about a charge on my checking accound. I found I was wrong... but that is ok.
That is not the important part here. I was very impressed with the service.
Immediate service from someone who knows english.
And for the other part, I don't blame Microsoft for what the OEMs do. Is it
really Microsoft's fault that OEM don't include a Windows XP cd anymore?
Maybe it is, but it seems that it is the OEM that you should be complaining
to.
A few years back, I called Dell technical support. The first guy was a
useless indian. I could understand him, because I am not one of those weird
americans who can't understand anything other than an american accent.
Anyway, I hung up and called again. Fortunately, the second person actually
knew what she was talking about. Still indian, but definately knew what a
computer was. Now I find the Dell technical support chat to be very useful,
assuming that your computer still works. Very useful because the accent
doesn't matter. That, and they knew what they were talking about.
I only included the Dell support part in this post because people always
like to jab at Dell's support.
But why talk to that indian when Google gives you the same information in
0.0138 seconds?
--
Robert Firth
http://www.winvistainfo.org
two for spanish, or stay on the line for english. As soon as these greeting
messages are done, it rings once, and you are immediatly transfered to a
non-Indian, completely american, easy to understand, person. Immediatly. Ok,
I wasn't calling for technical support, I was calling because I was asking
about a charge on my checking accound. I found I was wrong... but that is ok.
That is not the important part here. I was very impressed with the service.
Immediate service from someone who knows english.
And for the other part, I don't blame Microsoft for what the OEMs do. Is it
really Microsoft's fault that OEM don't include a Windows XP cd anymore?
Maybe it is, but it seems that it is the OEM that you should be complaining
to.
A few years back, I called Dell technical support. The first guy was a
useless indian. I could understand him, because I am not one of those weird
americans who can't understand anything other than an american accent.
Anyway, I hung up and called again. Fortunately, the second person actually
knew what she was talking about. Still indian, but definately knew what a
computer was. Now I find the Dell technical support chat to be very useful,
assuming that your computer still works. Very useful because the accent
doesn't matter. That, and they knew what they were talking about.
I only included the Dell support part in this post because people always
like to jab at Dell's support.
But why talk to that indian when Google gives you the same information in
0.0138 seconds?
--
Robert Firth
http://www.winvistainfo.org
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Chad Harris
Robert--
I'm talking specifically about PSS/aka Tech Support/aka when you have a
question/issue that your purchase of Windows or Office via retail offers you
to get resolved. I mean the kinds of things that get handled on these
groups and handled competently.
I'm not talking about getting a charge for a product or service resolved on
a checking account.
I'll give you an example. I test them every once in a while and believe me,
if you call for PSS you're going to India. Canada doesn't handle much of it
anymore, or do the Phillipiines.
The company who is contracted from MSFT to provide check support is a great
insight into how little MSFT regards its customers.
The company is Convergys of Ohio. They brag on their site that they have
legal counsel that used to be counsel for committees on the Hill for the US
Senate and Congress translation--"don't screw with us buddy." LOL to the
64th.
1) Example #1 Right now on both Vista and on XP, Windows Defender frequently
won't update. You open it up click the update button and it won't update.
It's a frequent problem on forums and I know several people with it. There
are groups for Defender managed by an MVP Eric Vogel and they can't solve
the problem.
Defender also is mandatory to keep Windows One Care (MSFT hasn't figured out
how to make it work with Vista which is absurd) on XP green. Defender will
uninstall on XP and a reinstall will often fix it temporarily. It won't
uninstall from Vista and yes it ships with Vista.
The party line in chats with the guys who run Defender is an uninstall
reinstall of the latest build will fix this but it does not.
You can't literally call Convergys of Ohio to whom Defender and One Care
Support has been passed on--you won't get them on the phone. You are put in
an eternal wait.
2) Example #2 I can pose any of hundreds of Windows problems many people
solve on groups to the Indian minimum waged Convergys butts in seats whose
English is unintelligible a high percent of the time. I've spent much of my
life btw having to understand people who speak no English in emergent
situations. I can communicate better with sign language than you can with
the Convergys in India personnel. I can speak and write passable English.
My Indian neighbor who speaks several Indian languages and grew up here,
fell on the floor laughing at their English. She said it's simple--their
English is horrendous. 60 Minutes has done a show on these training centers
where MSFT and Convergys contribute heavily to the outsourcing of jobs from
the American middle class--and it the English language classes for them
ain't working.
Call them Robert and pose a typical Windows problem. Tell them you booted
up to Windows and you don't see any of your settings or your admin account.
You see that "Bliss screen" that looks like a golf course made out of some
cow pasture. You don't know where the hell your stuff is. MSFT helps set
up this situation in many ways, but one is their MBSA--the baseline security
analyzer that is an interesting curiosity hardly needed, but does have a
half way decent explanation of IE security tab settings.
The MBSA tells people to get rid of their extra admin accounts
(understandable) but forgets to tell them that the it lists their currently
functioning admin account as an extra one, and then when they get down to
one it doesn't tell them it is listing the Safe Mode non deletable admin
account as if it were their regular account in Windows. So they have
deleted their admin account.
It can be easily recovered by booting into Safe Mode using the non-deletable
spare.
What 100/100 calls to the Indians working for Convergys posing as MSFT
employees is that there is nothing to do but format the box.
They tell people to format the box for about any problem. It reminds me of
an inner city teaching hospital dent clinic that finds it considerably more
cost effective to pull teeth in their indigent patients, but with no thought
to the consequences that these people have a hell of a time chewing after
they do and can't afford expensive false teeth that governments are
increasingly declining to fund.
That's the crappy support I was zeroing in on, not something that any
individual could do to make your check account charges square with what's
accurate.
CH
I'm talking specifically about PSS/aka Tech Support/aka when you have a
question/issue that your purchase of Windows or Office via retail offers you
to get resolved. I mean the kinds of things that get handled on these
groups and handled competently.
I'm not talking about getting a charge for a product or service resolved on
a checking account.
I'll give you an example. I test them every once in a while and believe me,
if you call for PSS you're going to India. Canada doesn't handle much of it
anymore, or do the Phillipiines.
The company who is contracted from MSFT to provide check support is a great
insight into how little MSFT regards its customers.
The company is Convergys of Ohio. They brag on their site that they have
legal counsel that used to be counsel for committees on the Hill for the US
Senate and Congress translation--"don't screw with us buddy." LOL to the
64th.
1) Example #1 Right now on both Vista and on XP, Windows Defender frequently
won't update. You open it up click the update button and it won't update.
It's a frequent problem on forums and I know several people with it. There
are groups for Defender managed by an MVP Eric Vogel and they can't solve
the problem.
Defender also is mandatory to keep Windows One Care (MSFT hasn't figured out
how to make it work with Vista which is absurd) on XP green. Defender will
uninstall on XP and a reinstall will often fix it temporarily. It won't
uninstall from Vista and yes it ships with Vista.
The party line in chats with the guys who run Defender is an uninstall
reinstall of the latest build will fix this but it does not.
You can't literally call Convergys of Ohio to whom Defender and One Care
Support has been passed on--you won't get them on the phone. You are put in
an eternal wait.
2) Example #2 I can pose any of hundreds of Windows problems many people
solve on groups to the Indian minimum waged Convergys butts in seats whose
English is unintelligible a high percent of the time. I've spent much of my
life btw having to understand people who speak no English in emergent
situations. I can communicate better with sign language than you can with
the Convergys in India personnel. I can speak and write passable English.
My Indian neighbor who speaks several Indian languages and grew up here,
fell on the floor laughing at their English. She said it's simple--their
English is horrendous. 60 Minutes has done a show on these training centers
where MSFT and Convergys contribute heavily to the outsourcing of jobs from
the American middle class--and it the English language classes for them
ain't working.
Call them Robert and pose a typical Windows problem. Tell them you booted
up to Windows and you don't see any of your settings or your admin account.
You see that "Bliss screen" that looks like a golf course made out of some
cow pasture. You don't know where the hell your stuff is. MSFT helps set
up this situation in many ways, but one is their MBSA--the baseline security
analyzer that is an interesting curiosity hardly needed, but does have a
half way decent explanation of IE security tab settings.
The MBSA tells people to get rid of their extra admin accounts
(understandable) but forgets to tell them that the it lists their currently
functioning admin account as an extra one, and then when they get down to
one it doesn't tell them it is listing the Safe Mode non deletable admin
account as if it were their regular account in Windows. So they have
deleted their admin account.
It can be easily recovered by booting into Safe Mode using the non-deletable
spare.
What 100/100 calls to the Indians working for Convergys posing as MSFT
employees is that there is nothing to do but format the box.
They tell people to format the box for about any problem. It reminds me of
an inner city teaching hospital dent clinic that finds it considerably more
cost effective to pull teeth in their indigent patients, but with no thought
to the consequences that these people have a hell of a time chewing after
they do and can't afford expensive false teeth that governments are
increasingly declining to fund.
That's the crappy support I was zeroing in on, not something that any
individual could do to make your check account charges square with what's
accurate.
CH
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Rasmus Bertelsen
Well, those 2 posts are not deleted here...
Regards,
Rasmus Bertelsen
Regards,
Rasmus Bertelsen
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Tom Ziegmann
Microsoft isn't deleteing your posts, you are just having problems accessing
the newsserver. I have had the exact same error a few times and it has
always been when i am downloading messages in another group and trying to
read a message in a different group..could be a totally different cause..but
I really don't think that MS is deleteing your posts.
the newsserver. I have had the exact same error a few times and it has
always been when i am downloading messages in another group and trying to
read a message in a different group..could be a totally different cause..but
I really don't think that MS is deleteing your posts.