Taking Ownership?

[Sascha Benjamin Jazbec]

This is not true reference accessing the administrator account. Right
click My Computer | Manage | Users and Groups | Administrator - Properties
| Enable Administrator account.

Make sure you assign a password to it. It will now show up on the Welcome
Screen at login.

Rock
MS MVP Windows - Shell/User

Alright, I didn't know that

for all those Vista-hardened security reasons I never thought it to be so
easy. Thanks.

But if one uses the "real Administrator" - then UAC and all those benefits
are off, right ?

 

[Paula]

OH GREAT!
Now I have ghost cookies! lol
Thanks for the recommendation Sascha but why would one have to install yet
another program that the user should be able to do simply through the OS?
How do I add things to my send to folder if I can't get to it?
Paula

 

[Paula]

Rock,
I tried that and it did indeed show up on the logon screen as an account.
Paula

 

[BChat]

Me too

Rock,
I tried that and it did indeed show up on the logon screen as an account.
Paula

 

[Paula]

Boxing glove time again. <g>
Paula

Me too

 

[Bill]

More like Miller Time - give me WinXPSP2 - no problems - no dumb stuff - no
alcohol required <G> or them thar glove things either.

Boxing glove time again. <g>
Paula

Me too

 

[Sascha Benjamin Jazbec]

Paula,

for Gods Sake you have humour to handle all these new "experiences"

Why do I recommend third-party software ?

See :
1)SomeOne asks "how can I burn my iso to my DVD in Vista Beta2 ?" - Answer:
impossible, get a burning-prog.
2) SomeOne asks " I have two vistas on my PC, how can I rename them in the
bootloader ?" -Answer: comlicated,would take all day, get a freeware tool
that is simple
3) you want full acccess - Windows Own Explorer wont give you. Or I am too
stupid to tell you how, Therefore my Answer to totalcmdr until this is
getting solved by someone.

SBJ

 

[Kerry Brown]

that is the price for security.

Linux has always used this "permission stuff" and that's why it is
secure, and Macs nowadays are also using this background. Windows has
too long not made use of this - it is a must to be secure.

NT versions of Windows have always had it (permission stuff) as well. Very
few people have ever used it or programmed for it. If they had we wouldn't
need UAC as people would be used to running with reduced privileges and
expect to use elevated privileges only when needed for system tasks.

 

[Sascha Benjamin Jazbec]

I know NT since version 3.51 and prefered NT systems all the times over
DOS-based ones

But usual homeusers were used to the Windows 95/98 Way of handling it -
without ever caring about "rights", which in 95/98 policies were to be
tricked oh so simple because of all the DOS under it.

That was the tragedy. Only professionals were used to NTs special features.
And with XP as a Win 9x Upgrade - ok, now users had some more security
features but were not used to handle them.

I hope the concept is going now in the right direction by forcing people to
get it to know.
But how many will turn UAC and related stuff just off ?

That is the question..

SBJ

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Depends on what sorts of malware mangages to get control of the system.

 

[Kerry Brown]

I agree. I think some people, especially some early adopters, will turn off
UAC because they find it a affront to their sense of control over their
computer. In reality they have the same control they always had, it's just
accessed differently. In the long run if Vista becomes popular programmers
will write programs that work properly and UAC won't be a hassle.

 

[Rock]

Alright, I didn't know that

for all those Vista-hardened security reasons I never thought it to be
so easy. Thanks.

But if one uses the "real Administrator" - then UAC and all those
benefits are off, right ?

The specifics of running as the built in Administrator are not fully
clear to me. I believe it will still ask for permission for certain
things. Maybe some one else will jump in here with more input.

 

[Andre Da Costa]

I think a lot of experts will turn it off in a heart beat. I have not
though, except in builds prior to 5342.

 

[D§D]

OK let's say I will leave UAC on for now to be safe. I don't have a
problem clicking a few extra times to let Vista know it's really me trying
to access a folder.

You are kidding right ? clicking a few extra time... ha ha that's funny

 

[Beck]

Of course you can turn off UAC ( start-> run > msconfig > tools >
"disable uac" > Launch ) but you should not do so.
WITHOUT UAC you put the machine to the same security risks as Windows
XPSP2
WITHOUT UAC InternetExplorer runs in UNPROTECTED Mode, can be manipulated
via Trojans,etc-

Its good to have security but it can get annoying. It would be nice to be
able to set individual permissions for different PC functions so the user
can set the level of security. Mostly those that know what they are doing
can set the permissions and take the risks. Those that don't know what they
are doing probably would not changed the setting at all and just accept it.
Personally, while I have alot of computing experience, my knowledge of
security issues are very basic so I have left UAC running for now.

 

[William]

I think it is unwise to turn off UAC. I brief intrusion it makes is worth the price of greater security.

William
I know NT since version 3.51 and prefered NT systems all the times over
DOS-based ones

But usual homeusers were used to the Windows 95/98 Way of handling it -
without ever caring about "rights", which in 95/98 policies were to be
tricked oh so simple because of all the DOS under it.

That was the tragedy. Only professionals were used to NTs special features.
And with XP as a Win 9x Upgrade - ok, now users had some more security
features but were not used to handle them.

I hope the concept is going now in the right direction by forcing people to
get it to know.
But how many will turn UAC and related stuff just off ?

That is the question..

SBJ

 

[Rock]

Alright, I didn't know that

for all those Vista-hardened security reasons I never thought it to be
so easy. Thanks.

But if one uses the "real Administrator" - then UAC and all those
benefits are off, right ?

User Account Control is still on with the built in Adminstrator account.
What exactly it will restrict I am not sure.

 

[Jimmy Brush]

Hello,

There were some files that I could not open (even some on my own user
name)

These are probably junctions. These are locations that have changed from
Windows XP to Windows Vista. They are sitll there in the current form so
programs that access them will continue to work somewhat; however, directly
accessing them will not work. If it did, then programs would get confused
because they would see the same files in two different locations, the old
one and the new one.

see. Is there any problem in doing that? Taking ownership of the whole C
drive I mean?

If you are dual-booting, then it could cause problems. If not, then don't
worry about it.

 

[jonah]

Hello,


These are probably junctions. These are locations that have changed from
Windows XP to Windows Vista. They are sitll there in the current form so
programs that access them will continue to work somewhat; however, directly
accessing them will not work. If it did, then programs would get confused
because they would see the same files in two different locations, the old
one and the new one.



If you are dual-booting, then it could cause problems. If not, then don't
worry about it.

Somebody mentioned the registry hack to get the root admin account up
on the Welcome Screen.

Here it is - cannot give credit for it I don't remember where I got it
from but its a true admin account with access to everything for system
wide tasks. I would not run on it permenantly.

Log in as Full Administrator


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1) Click the Start orb and click on Run (or press the Windows key + R)
2) Type in regedit and press OK. If it asks you to open this via UAP,
then
click Allow.
3) In the Registry Editor, navigate to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon.
4) In the right hand pane, right click the mouse and select New then
Key.
A new folder should appear in the left hand pane.
5) Name this new key SpecialAccounts and press Enter.
6) Right click the mouse on the new SpecialAccounts key in the left
hand
pane, select New then Key again to make a "sub-key".
7) Name this new key UserList and then press Enter. In this new
UserList
key, right click in the right hand pane and select New then DWORD
(32-bit)
and name this Administrator then press Enter.
8) Double click on the new DWORD you just made, and set the value to 1
then
press OK.

9. In the Run box type: control userpasswords2

10. Advanced -> Advanced (Local Users and Groups) -> Users

11. Doubleclick Administrator and uncheck "Account is disabled".
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UAC and the irritating Windows Security Centre gets ditched immediatly
on setup, I use Linux for surfing / dling and Windows to get actual
work done.

Jonah

 

[Telstar]

The Thing how it is handled in Vista via UAC and the fading screen is really
good and very simple and not half-way so disturbing as in a Linux System.
Believe Me. I use that also a lot.

SBJ

I disagree. The way how is UAC handled is very, VERY ANNOYING.

T*