System partition growing: now 8GB !

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Phil

Hi,

have installed my windows XP Pro about 5 years ago. Now updated, incl SP2 (
not SP3), and all updates since SP2.

The system partition ( only "Windows" installed on it, with all well
programmed software installed on another partition than C: ( that is all
programs that allow it during install, which is alas not allways the case
....)) grows now fast. + 1GB last 2 months.
That makes images bigger and difficult to archive an DVD ( in the beginning
I could brun 2 of them onone 4.7 DVD !). I now archive them on an external
har disk.

But how can I find out why it grows that much ?
Can I remedy to this ?

I do not want to reinstall Windows and all updates and all software: would
cost several days work ! Another option ?

Can I delete all updates uninstall folders ?

TIA
 
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BillW50

In DL typed on Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:37:52 +0100:
8gb is not large
Run disk cleanup

I disagree, 8GB is huge! 10 years ago, many laptops only came with 6GB
of drive space. Today, many netbooks comes only with a system drive of
4GB, I use some myself. And I wouldn't allow my system drive to get that
fat. And yes Phil, 4GB is much easier to backup to one DVD than 8GB is.
By the way Phil, did you install SP3? That thing is huge! I installed it
on some of my computers and I regretted it ever since. Thank goodness
for earlier backups. <grin>
 
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SC Tom

BillW50 said:
In DL typed on Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:37:52 +0100:

I disagree, 8GB is huge! 10 years ago, many laptops only came with 6GB of
drive space. Today, many netbooks comes only with a system drive of 4GB, I
use some myself. And I wouldn't allow my system drive to get that fat. And
yes Phil, 4GB is much easier to backup to one DVD than 8GB is. By the way
Phil, did you install SP3? That thing is huge! I installed it on some of
my computers and I regretted it ever since. Thank goodness for earlier
backups. <grin>
8GB is large, but I wouldn't think huge. My Windows folder alone is 6.4GB,
and, other than compressing old files, I can gain 43MB using Disk Cleanup.
I've got XP Home SP3, and have not done a clean install since it came out,
so I'm sure a lot of what's in there is just bloat.
10 years ago, most laptops were running Win95/98 and didn't require the
space the OS needs today. Most of the ones my company had back then were
Compaq's, and they came with 10 or 20GB drives, and about half of them had
NT 4.0. We kept them around for quite a while and never ran into space
issues. Our servers at the time were NT4.0 Server, and we had some problems
with the size of the boot partition only after we started using MS Office.
Even though the main program was installed to a separate partition, there
was still a lot of crap dropped onto the BP. I don't think the problem lies
so much with the OS (although they are huge comparatively speaking) as it
does with the programs installed afterwards. Everything has to leave a
footprint in the Windows folder, and the more stuff that's installed (even
if it's uninstalled) just adds to it's size.

SC Tom
 
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Jose

Hi,

have installed my windows XP Pro about 5 years ago. Now updated, incl SP2(
not SP3), and all updates since SP2.

The system partition ( only "Windows" installed on it, with all well
programmed software installed on another partition than C: ( that is all
programs that allow it during install, which is alas not allways the case
...)) grows now fast. + 1GB last 2 months.
That makes images bigger and difficult to archive an DVD ( in the beginning
I could brun 2 of them onone 4.7 DVD !). I now archive them on an external
har disk.

But how can I find out why it grows that much ?
Can I remedy to this ?

I do not want to reinstall Windows and all updates and all software: would
cost several days work ! Another option ?

Can I delete all updates uninstall folders ?

TIA

Disk cleanup will do you some good. but don't overdo it and regret it
later. There is no "undo".

Sooner or later, Restore Points are going to come up, so figure that
out.

RPs get created automatically (if System Restore is working properly)
and are set by default to occupy 12% of your total HDD space. They
accumulate until they are FIFOed out or deleted manually. A lot can
accumulate in 5 years (to a maximum).

If your HDD is 40GB and your usual XP install takes up say 3GB, you
could still have up to 4.8GB in accumulated RPs until they start to
get FIFOed out, or you can remove them manually, or you can change the
percentage, or you can change a lot of things. This would be if they
have just been accumulating for 5 years. Not a bad thing, but it may
not make much sense if you are worried about space.

RPs are stored in a hidden file called System Volume Information, so
gain access to it temporarily (if your user name is Bob) from a Start,
Run command:

cacls "C:\System Volume Information" /E /P Bob:F

In Explorer, choose to view hidden files and folder, and system files,
etc., right click the SVI and see the properties and how much space.
A lot? Does the math make sense? Maybe some maintenance is in order.

Your SVI folder could easily contain enough accumulated RPs to exceed
your "basic" XP installation. Do the math.

To change it back the way it was before, enter the following:

cacls "C:\System Volume Information" /E /R Bob
 
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PA Bear [MS MVP]

Before installing SP3 [see below]...

1. Run Disk Cleanup.

2. See http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_hotfix_backup.htm

3. Defrag your HDD.

4. See
http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldro...requisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx

=======================
Computers running WinXP SP2 will NOT be offered any further critical
security updates, Automatic Updates will cease to function, and Windows
Update website will not be available after 12 April 2010 until and unless
SP3 is installed.

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

Free unlimited installation and compatibility support for WinXP SP3 was
available from 14 April 2008 thru mid-May 2009. Such support will cost you
US$59 per incident now.
 
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Twayne

Phil said:
Hi,

have installed my windows XP Pro about 5 years ago. Now updated, incl
SP2 ( not SP3), and all updates since SP2.

Since you have SP2, you should really look into SP3. Highly
recommended.
The system partition ( only "Windows" installed on it, with all well
programmed software installed on another partition than C: ( that is
all programs that allow it during install, which is alas not allways
the case ...)) grows now fast. + 1GB last 2 months.
That makes images bigger and difficult to archive an DVD ( in the
beginning I could brun 2 of them onone 4.7 DVD !). I now archive them
on an external har disk.

Right. The option of using DVDs doesn't take long before it's wanting
more and more space. IMO the best backup strategy is to have an
external drive of say 500 Gig to 1,000 Gig (1 terabyte). Then you can
keep a fair number of backups on the external drive. Periodically, say
once a month or whenever you do a Full backup instead of incrementals or
whatever, also transfer the Full backup to CDs. Then all your important
data can be backed up to it also, not just the OS.
Just never EVER keep anything on the backup drive that doesn't exist
somewhere else. Backup drives are subject to failure like any other
drive so if it goes out ... toast.
But how can I find out why it grows that much ?
Can I remedy to this ?

Can't tell with the little bit of info you've given. Some malware CAN
actually make disk space disappear. You should run your latest
anti-virus and arsenal of anti-spyware (malware) tools, all set to scan
as deeply as their settings allow, on your system. At lest 3 malware
tools should be used because no single one covers everything and AV
covers very little other than viruses, regardless of their hype.
Once you're as sure as you get to that you have no virus or malware
then you can pretty much assume it's all normal operations. Pagefile,
Hibernate file, Restore Points, etc. and some programs grab large pieces
of the disk for their own use so that could be some of it. There's no
way to tell from here.
There ARE some freebies around the 'net that will look at a disk and
tell you where the largest pieces of used space are and what uses the
space. I don't use them so I have none to recommend, but a search
engine would find them. Just be careful and be sure to get them from a
reliable source, that's all. Some are malware in themselves if you're
not careful.
I do not want to reinstall Windows and all updates and all software:
would cost several days work ! Another option ?

Hmm, I thought you said you were already making images of your drives.
If not, I'd highly recommend:

-- Norton Ghost; priciest but has the most features and capabilities
and IMO the best user interface. I can reinstate my entire C drive in
23 minutes I measured last time, from putting the boot CD in the drive
to having a re-imaged, usable OS in front of me.

-- Acronis True Image; excellent for creating disk images and restoring
them. Fewer bells & whistles than Ghost but also $10 or so cheaper. Not
sure but I heard recently it will not "clone" a drive, which may or may
not matter to you.
I haven't used it in a very long time but many speak very well of it.

-- BootItNG; good program but a little on the techie side. The user
needs to know a little more about the computer than with the first two.
Less user friendly but still effective at creating images and restoring
them.
The more technical types speak well of it.
Can I delete all updates uninstall folders ?

Probably. Better IMO to zip them all up and store then on a CD or DVD
if they don't fit on a CD. Unlikely, but then if later on you decide
you need to take out an update you can still do it. Worth the couple
minutes it takes to do.

If you're asking if it's "normal" for it to "grow that much", the answer
is an almost qualified YES<g>. 8 Gig isn't really huge for a machine
that hasn't had much maintenance for 5 years and Jose's response is a
good one for retrieving some space back.
However, and I haven't seen it mentioned yet, regaining what small
amount of disk space you can reclaim that way is only a band-aid and not
a long term solution. The same problem will crop up again and you could
go thru the same options all over again to reclaim some space, and after
awhile you'll have even more space used.
That's why I say it's just a band-aid; it doesn't help in the long
term unless you're about to purchase a more up to date machine.

What you really need to achieve a more permanent situation is more disk
space. 20 Gig is often a good size for a boot disk that leaves enough
room for the pagefile and maybe the Hibernate file if you use it. But
even 20 Gig can get small if you use many different types of programs.
I have a 50 Gig partition that seems to be plenty and more than I'll
need for the foreseeable future and allows all the defaults files,
pagefile (or used to; I've since moved it), Hibernate file and a few
other quite large files. Based on my own experience I'd say a 20 Gig to
40 Gig partition just for XP is a good setting that won't get in your
way sizewise.

The cost of hard drives has really gotten low these days and 160 Gig to
500 Gig drives are all very competitively priced. That size range is
often available for less than $50 to less than $100 and even 1 terabyte
drives are only a little over $100 now.
My advice would be to scrape together some cash and purchase as much
hard drive as you can afford even if it's only 80 Gig, but the supply of
those is beginning to dry up.

HTH,

Twayne`
 
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Patrick Keenan

Phil said:
Hi,

have installed my windows XP Pro about 5 years ago. Now updated, incl SP2
(
not SP3), and all updates since SP2.

The system partition ( only "Windows" installed on it, with all well
programmed software installed on another partition than C: ( that is all
programs that allow it during install, which is alas not allways the case
...)) grows now fast. + 1GB last 2 months.
That makes images bigger and difficult to archive an DVD ( in the
beginning
I could brun 2 of them onone 4.7 DVD !). I now archive them on an external
har disk.

But how can I find out why it grows that much ?
Can I remedy to this ?

I do not want to reinstall Windows and all updates and all software: would
cost several days work ! Another option ?

Can I delete all updates uninstall folders ?

TIA

To be clearer, the partition is not changing size; it can't, it is a fixed
size.

The size of its *contents* is increasing.

Clear out all the temp files - the free utility ccleaner works great for
this - and also update uninstallers. And, reduce the size of browser
caches.

HTH
-pk
 
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Daave

Phil said:
Hi,

have installed my windows XP Pro about 5 years ago. Now updated, incl
SP2 ( not SP3), and all updates since SP2.

The system partition ( only "Windows" installed on it, with all well
programmed software installed on another partition than C: ( that is
all programs that allow it during install, which is alas not allways
the case ...)) grows now fast. + 1GB last 2 months.
That makes images bigger and difficult to archive an DVD ( in the
beginning I could brun 2 of them onone 4.7 DVD !). I now archive them
on an external har disk.

But how can I find out why it grows that much ?
Can I remedy to this ?

I do not want to reinstall Windows and all updates and all software:
would cost several days work ! Another option ?

Can I delete all updates uninstall folders ?

What is the *actual* size of your partition? And what is the actual size
of your hard drive? How much free space is there on both? You might find
it much easier to use a third-party partition manager. Of course, make
sure *all* your data is backed up first!

If you *still* want to reclaim space, have a look at this helpful and
detailed post:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/1bcffb41ac3f3a11?hl=en
 
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smlunatick

Hi,

have installed my windows XP Pro about 5 years ago. Now updated, incl SP2(
not SP3), and all updates since SP2.

The system partition ( only "Windows" installed on it, with all well
programmed software installed on another partition than C: ( that is all
programs that allow it during install, which is alas not allways the case
...)) grows now fast. + 1GB last 2 months.
That makes images bigger and difficult to archive an DVD ( in the beginning
I could brun 2 of them onone 4.7 DVD !). I now archive them on an external
har disk.

But how can I find out why it grows that much ?
Can I remedy to this ?

I do not want to reinstall Windows and all updates and all software: would
cost several days work ! Another option ?

Can I delete all updates uninstall folders ?

TIA

Are you getting confused?? If your hard drive has been formated with
a Basic Partition, the partition is not "expanding!" Standard
partition style do not automatcially "expand" thiemselves, unless the
partition is a "dynamic" type. You miht be seeing "more" files using
more disk space.
 
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Twayne

smlunatick said:
Are you getting confused?? If your hard drive has been formated with
a Basic Partition, the partition is not "expanding!" Standard
partition style do not automatcially "expand" thiemselves, unless the
partition is a "dynamic" type. You miht be seeing "more" files using
more disk space.

He said the "image" is growing, not the partition. IMage - contents -
vs free space etc.
 
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SC Tom

Twayne said:
He said the "image" is growing, not the partition. IMage - contents - vs
free space etc.

He says his image size has grown because "The system partition . . . grows
now fast." I think Phil means the used space on his C: partition is getting
larger, therefore his backup image size is larger.

SC Tom
 

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