Still having Web Page Pathing Problems / Relative Links show Netwo

[Guest]

I have searched the knowledge base and it appears that:
Office XP post-Service Pack 3 hotfix package for MSO.DLL: May 9, 2004
fixes the pathing problem in PowerPoint 2002/XP
However, I go to the Office update and it shows that I have already updated to Service pack 3 and I can't find a direct link to the hotfix itself.

I have clicked off the Update Links option as recommended as a "workaround" at:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;829349

But I have converted our ppt to HTML and posted it at:
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget/BudgetAUHSD0405Final.htm
(folder- BudgetAUHSD0405Final_files is there in the budget sub also)
but all paths are still showing the Network pathing not the relative pathing just to the subfolder. Therefore the whole presention can't be viewed.


What have I missed???
Thanks for your help

 

[Sonia]

You should call Microsoft for a hotfix
(http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[LN];CNTACTMS). See the
section titled "More Information" in the KB829349 link you provided in your
post.
--
Sonia, MS PowerPoint MVP Team
Autorun CD software, templates, and tutorials
http://www.soniacoleman.com/

I have searched the knowledge base and it appears that:
Office XP post-Service Pack 3 hotfix package for MSO.DLL: May 9, 2004
fixes the pathing problem in PowerPoint 2002/XP
However, I go to the Office update and it shows that I have already

updated to Service pack 3 and I can't find a direct link to the hotfix
itself.

I have clicked off the Update Links option as recommended as a "workaround" at:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;829349

But I have converted our ppt to HTML and posted it at:
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget/BudgetAUHSD0405Final.htm
(folder- BudgetAUHSD0405Final_files is there in the budget sub also)
but all paths are still showing the Network pathing not the relative

pathing just to the subfolder. Therefore the whole presention can't be
viewed.

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

I have searched the knowledge base and it appears that:
Office XP post-Service Pack 3 hotfix package for MSO.DLL: May 9, 2004
fixes the pathing problem in PowerPoint 2002/XP
However, I go to the Office update and it shows that I have already updated to

Service pack 3 and I can't find a direct link to the hotfix itself.

I have clicked off the Update Links option as recommended as a "workaround" at:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;829349

But I have converted our ppt to HTML and posted it at:
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget/BudgetAUHSD0405/Final.htm
(folder- BudgetAUHSD0405Final_files is there in the budget sub also)
but all paths are still showing the Network pathing not the relative pathing just to

the subfolder. Therefore the whole presention can't be viewed.

That link redirects to
H:\My Webs\NewAUHSD\budget\BudgetAUHSD0405Final_files\frame.htm
In other words, I can't even see the first page, so it's hard to tell what's going on.

Did you upload this as part of a Front Page or other web? It looks like something
other than PPT has messed with the pathing.


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[Guest]

Thanks Sonia - I have contacted them and am waiting... unfortunately I had to solve this problem quickly. My solution was to use Adobe to convert it to pdf for posting. Sure wish they would get this fixed or re-release PowerPoint 97 - good 'ol code that worked without all of the bells and whistles ;-0

You should call Microsoft for a hotfix
(http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[LN];CNTACTMS). See the
section titled "More Information" in the KB829349 link you provided in your
post.
--
Sonia, MS PowerPoint MVP Team
Autorun CD software, templates, and tutorials
http://www.soniacoleman.com/

I have searched the knowledge base and it appears that:
Office XP post-Service Pack 3 hotfix package for MSO.DLL: May 9, 2004
fixes the pathing problem in PowerPoint 2002/XP
However, I go to the Office update and it shows that I have already

updated to Service pack 3 and I can't find a direct link to the hotfix
itself.

I have clicked off the Update Links option as recommended as a "workaround" at:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;829349

But I have converted our ppt to HTML and posted it at:
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget/BudgetAUHSD0405Final.htm
(folder- BudgetAUHSD0405Final_files is there in the budget sub also)
but all paths are still showing the Network pathing not the relative

pathing just to the subfolder. Therefore the whole presention can't be
viewed.

What have I missed???
Thanks for your help

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

That link redirects to

No Steve - Nothing other than straight conversion "save as webpage" in PP was used.

And yes that is the problem, all links were converted to my network storage path.

Sonia replyed that I need to "contact" microsoft for the hotfix... so I'll try that.

The ultimate solution was to convert this to a pdf and post it ...couldn't wait for a

fix. Though I really didn't want to do this. Somedays I long for PowerPoint 97and
straight html conversion with no problems. Ugh!

Very weird. While you're waiting for the hotfix, you might want to have a look at our
(commercial) addin for making HTML from PPT. http://ppt2html.pptools.com

I can promise you that it won't give you this particular problem. If it does, I'll beat
the stuffing out of it. ;-)

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[Guest]

And yes that is the problem, all links were converted to my network storage path.
fix. Though I really didn't want to do this. Somedays I long for PowerPoint 97and
straight html conversion with no problems. Ugh!

Very weird. While you're waiting for the hotfix, you might want to have a look at our
(commercial) addin for making HTML from PPT. http://ppt2html.pptools.com

I can promise you that it won't give you this particular problem. If it does, I'll beat
the stuffing out of it. ;-)

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Thanks Steve - I'll download the demo and give it a try-

Though it still seems a shame that this problem wasn't caught by Microsoft's QA...BEFORE GENERAL RELEASE..though Rational Rose is now part of Big Blue, considering some of the basic functionality problems that continue to crop up in their updates, maybe Microsoft's design staff needs to take a peak at some of RR's archictecture and design tools...

I'm an old techie who now works in education- webmaster for district and 2 of it's schools web sites and helpdesk Tier I Tech support for the entire district. These sites were designed so that content management could be accomplised on the cheap (ed budgets are small these days) Templates have been generated allowing the appropriate staff members to support the sub pages. HTML converted office docs (Save as Web Page) are used so that training time & supports costs are minimised.

Though some of the new functionality that we receive in each new office update is great, it often comes at a very dear price. Things used to be so much simplier with the 97 platform apps. The is a pretty good example of a straight foward FUBAR.... Hope it is fixed in PP2003! Thanks again for your help!

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

Though it still seems a shame that this problem wasn't caught by Microsoft's
QA...BEFORE GENERAL RELEASE

I've been involved in betas of one sort or another since the late 80's. It's
always a shame that bugs get released, but there are so many weird combinations
of hardware and software out there, it's a wonder to me that anything works at
all.

I don't know what causes this particular one to sting you, but it's certainly
not universal to version of PPT post -97 and I doubt it lands on everybody with
XP, else we'd have heard about it long before this, and loudly. Here's hoping
that hotfix does it for ya, though.

I'm an old techie who now works in education- webmaster for district and 2 of

it's schools web sites and helpdesk Tier I Tech support for the entire district.
These sites were designed so that content management could be accomplised on the
cheap (ed budgets are small these days) Templates have been generated allowing
the appropriate staff members to support the sub pages. HTML converted office
docs (Save as Web Page) are used so that training time & supports costs are
minimised.

My wife's in the school biz ... believe me, I understand the constraints.
One of these days we'll wake up to the mistake we're making when we try to cut
corners on education. I hope.


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[Guest]

Steve, Sonia - All
FYI- Bug Nofication

So you won't have to go back up to read the original problem-
Converted a .ppt to .htm with Save as Web Page function. Converted .htm file and folders saved to Hdrive - internal network file server. Links did not convert to either hard http full path links or relative folder level links- All links still showed H:\My Webs\... links - so full presentation does not work if posted on an external HTTP Web Server.

To Test, open a .ppt
Click on File/Save as Web Page and click on Save button. The base web link that is was entered in File/Properties is not used for any link conversions. If you review the resulting html source you will see that the link paths show your Network Path rather than the http:// web address.

Clicking on Click on File/Save as Web Page and alternatively clicking on Publish.
The "file name" path cannot be changed to a hard "http:// path or to a relative /folder path. The base web link that is was entered in File/Properties is not used for any link conversions. If you review the resulting html source you will again see that the link paths show your Network Path rather than the http:// web address.
If you try viewing the .htm in a Web Browser and clicking on the Full Screen Slide Show icon in the lower right hand side of the screen, the browser will bomb with a file not found error and Task Master will have to be used to Break out/End Program.

I found the knowledge base artical about a Hot fix for File Path problems at http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;829349 which included the fix for XP Pathing problems at: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=813914

After logging an incident with support (and having to re-explain the problem - they wanted to know if I was on a Network!!?!) they did finally send me a link to the 05/09/04 Hot Fix. I loaded it but it still didn't fix the problem, all converted links still show a Network Path.

I have spent the morning on the phone with Microsoft. The support staff member tried to convencience me that:
1. In this version you have to edit every link and correct them - and-
2. That after all PowerPoint wasn't a real web application and what should we really expect from a "presentation app".

As I explained about my "professional background" and that I had been successfully posting .ppt/htm converted presentations on multiple web sites since 1997, the staff member decided they should try the conversion themselves.

The .ppt file was emailed to support and their own tech converted it to .htm (Save as Web Page)/ Publish and then tried to post it themselves in a http folder. They too experienced the same pathing problems and were unable to successfully post a working copy of the Web Presentation and have declared this new BUG.

Microsoft's support staff recommended that I log another incident report with "Professional" .... Unfortunately, our school district does not pay for professional "software support"... only server support though Technet.

The original Microsoft assigned incident number was SRZ040701001120 - under the "Home User Support" logging. I am following up with this post in hopes that the Professional side of the house runs this though QA and follows-up with a Hot Fix for this problem--- of course I can always keep converting them to .pdfs if Microsoft can't get this fixed.

Again thanks for all of your help! - Webmaster (aka PPT - known as this even before PowerPoint was a twinkle in a developers eye !)

 

[Guest]

Sorry forgot to restate PowerPoint 2002 with XP Pro

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

Hi, and thanks for the full summary. Sorry MS didn't have a better answer for you,
though.

One last thing (I'm trying to repro this w/o any luck): the links are to external files?

If so, what type of files and where are they located relative to the PPT? Same folder or
elsewhere?

Steve, Sonia - All
FYI- Bug Nofication

So you won't have to go back up to read the original problem-
Converted a .ppt to .htm with Save as Web Page function. Converted .htm file and

folders saved to Hdrive - internal network file server. Links did not convert to either
hard http full path links or relative folder level links- All links still showed H:\My
Webs\... links - so full presentation does not work if posted on an external HTTP Web
Server.

To Test, open a .ppt
Click on File/Save as Web Page and click on Save button. The base web link that is was

entered in File/Properties is not used for any link conversions. If you review the
resulting html source you will see that the link paths show your Network Path rather than
the http:// web address.

Clicking on Click on File/Save as Web Page and alternatively clicking on Publish.
The "file name" path cannot be changed to a hard "http:// path or to a relative /folder

path. The base web link that is was entered in File/Properties is not used for any link
conversions. If you review the resulting html source you will again see that the link
paths show your Network Path rather than the http:// web address.

If you try viewing the .htm in a Web Browser and clicking on the Full Screen Slide Show

icon in the lower right hand side of the screen, the browser will bomb with a file not
found error and Task Master will have to be used to Break out/End Program.

I found the knowledge base artical about a Hot fix for File Path problems at

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;829349 which included the fix for
XP Pathing problems at: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=813914

After logging an incident with support (and having to re-explain the problem - they

wanted to know if I was on a Network!!?!) they did finally send me a link to the
05/09/04 Hot Fix. I loaded it but it still didn't fix the problem, all converted links
still show a Network Path.

I have spent the morning on the phone with Microsoft. The support staff member tried to convencience me that:
1. In this version you have to edit every link and correct them - and-
2. That after all PowerPoint wasn't a real web application and what should we really

expect from a "presentation app".

As I explained about my "professional background" and that I had been successfully

posting .ppt/htm converted presentations on multiple web sites since 1997, the staff
member decided they should try the conversion themselves.

The .ppt file was emailed to support and their own tech converted it to .htm (Save as

Web Page)/ Publish and then tried to post it themselves in a http folder. They too
experienced the same pathing problems and were unable to successfully post a working copy
of the Web Presentation and have declared this new BUG.

Microsoft's support staff recommended that I log another incident report with

"Professional" .... Unfortunately, our school district does not pay for professional
"software support"... only server support though Technet.

The original Microsoft assigned incident number was SRZ040701001120 - under the "Home

User Support" logging. I am following up with this post in hopes that the Professional
side of the house runs this though QA and follows-up with a Hot Fix for this problem---
of course I can always keep converting them to .pdfs if Microsoft can't get this fixed.

Again thanks for all of your help! - Webmaster (aka PPT - known as this even before

PowerPoint was a twinkle in a developers eye !)
--
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PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
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[Steve Rindsberg]

Hi,

Yep, I'd love to have a look at the presentation. Email/attach to steve at-sign pptools
dot com if it's under a couple of megabytes, or email me w/o attachment if it's way big
and we'll work something else out (ftp or the like).

Thanks.

Oh, and remind me in the body of the email that it's re "the webmaster" problem from the
PPT newsgroup. That should be enough to kickstart the neurons.

No Steve- The links are not to external files. They are the internal links to the pages

within the presentation itself. The "full screen slide show" link is a link to the entire
presentation. That Bug can be reproduced when you are using "Web Page Preview" on your
Workstation (as an fyi, I tested it both by using a copy on my local "C" drive and a copy
on my Network Drive with the same results). And yes the orginal .ppt, the converted HTML
file and the resulting subfolder are contained in a single separate folder -

As far as actually viewing the presentation on the web... you can't because all links

from the Outline view throughout the entire presentation were converated with the Network
path. There was no way to change the path when you went through the process of
conversion.

I don't know if this is fixed in 2003 so this may be a moot point... I'm only using

Outlook 2003 and all other Office apps are 2002.

Steve if you want I can email you the .ppt and you can try converting it yourself. As I

said it is already posted as a pdf at:
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/BudgetAUHSD0405Final.pdf

Let me know if you want me to email it to you at your website "Contact" address.... you

can contact me as webmaster@ the above domain.

Again thanks for your help-

--
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PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
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[Steve Rindsberg]

Hi ...

Hasn't arrived yet (it's a bit after 14:00 Eastern US Daylight time) - As soon as it does,
I'll shoot you an email to ack. If you don't get that in the next couple of hours, try
sending again.

Just mailed it off to you Steve... it's a little over half a Meg...... we are on a

gigabit backbone so don't worry if you have to send me something large back.

Thanks for your help- Webmaster

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[Guest]

All -
With help from "Steve Rindsberg" Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
we have continued testing this power point presentation.... Steve also found that Saving as a Web Page for my .ppt did not correctly convert the links correctly to either "relative" or absolute http://... but instead would only convert them to a C local drive or H Network drive path.

Today I created a new .ppt save it and then converted it - Save as Web Page - but this time there was no hyperlink base was entered in its properties- and published. Works!!! Viewed the html source and all links appear as relative ie: <frame src=outline.htm title="Outline" name=PPTOtl> (doesn't matter if it was saved to my C local or H Network drives- as one would assume). Yippee!!

So now I added hyperlink base of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget to properties of the .ppt and converted it - Save as Web Page and published..... It does not work- Viewed the html souce and all links appear as ie: <frame src=file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\Test_files\outline.htm title="Outline" name=PPTOtl>

So now I changed hyperlink base to http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us in properties of the .ppt and converted it - Save as Web Page and published.....
Same results it does not work - Viewed the html souce and all links appear as ie: <frame src=file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\Test_files\outline.htm title="Outline" name=PPTOtl>

Tested on two machines. On the first one I saved new presentation to C drive, the second to my Network H drive. Same results.

So went back to original on my Network drive and removed hyperlink base in properties... Made sure to save .ppt (maybe I didn't save it before the conversion attempt last time ?!? then Save As Web Page published and guess what it.... It Works!!! Viewed the html source and all links appear as relative!!!

So this BUG only occurs if you enter a hyperklink base in the properties of your .ppt and then Save as Web Page and publish...

I have updated the Microsoft support rep..
Again thanks to Steve for all of his help!

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

Hiya,

That all pretty much matches what I see here. And glad to see it's working for you
too! Thanks for posting back about it.

All -
With help from "Steve Rindsberg" Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
we have continued testing this power point presentation.... Steve also found that

Saving as a Web Page for my .ppt did not correctly convert the links correctly to
either "relative" or absolute http://... but instead would only convert them to a C
local drive or H Network drive path.

Today I created a new .ppt save it and then converted it - Save as Web Page - but

this time there was no hyperlink base was entered in its properties- and published.
Works!!! Viewed the html source and all links appear as relative ie: <frame
src=outline.htm title="Outline" name=PPTOtl> (doesn't matter if it was saved to my C
local or H Network drives- as one would assume). Yippee!!

So now I added hyperlink base of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget to properties

of the .ppt and converted it - Save as Web Page and published..... It does not work-
Viewed the html souce and all links appear as ie: <frame
src=file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\Test_files\outline.htm
title="Outline" name=PPTOtl>

So now I changed hyperlink base to http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us in properties of

the .ppt and converted it - Save as Web Page and published.....

Same results it does not work - Viewed the html souce and all links appear as ie:

<frame src=file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\Test_files\outline.htm
title="Outline" name=PPTOtl>

Tested on two machines. On the first one I saved new presentation to C drive, the

second to my Network H drive. Same results.

So went back to original on my Network drive and removed hyperlink base in

properties... Made sure to save .ppt (maybe I didn't save it before the conversion
attempt last time ?!? then Save As Web Page published and guess what it.... It
Works!!! Viewed the html source and all links appear as relative!!!

So this BUG only occurs if you enter a hyperklink base in the properties of your

.ppt and then Save as Web Page and publish...

I have updated the Microsoft support rep..
Again thanks to Steve for all of his help!

Hi ...

Hasn't arrived yet (it's a bit after 14:00 Eastern US Daylight time) - As soon as it does,
I'll shoot you an email to ack. If you don't get that in the next couple of hours, try
sending again.

Just mailed it off to you Steve... it's a little over half a Meg...... we are on

a
gigabit backbone so don't worry if you have to send me something large back.

Thanks for your help- Webmaster

:

Hi,

Yep, I'd love to have a look at the presentation. Email/attach to steve

at-sign
pptools

dot com if it's under a couple of megabytes, or email me w/o attachment if

it's way
big

and we'll work something else out (ftp or the like).

Thanks.

Oh, and remind me in the body of the email that it's re "the webmaster"

problem from
the

PPT newsgroup. That should be enough to kickstart the neurons.

No Steve- The links are not to external files. They are the internal links

to the
pages

within the presentation itself. The "full screen slide show" link is a link

to the
entire

presentation. That Bug can be reproduced when you are using "Web Page Preview" on your
Workstation (as an fyi, I tested it both by using a copy on my local "C" drive

and a
copy

on my Network Drive with the same results). And yes the orginal .ppt, the

converted
HTML

file and the resulting subfolder are contained in a single separate folder -

As far as actually viewing the presentation on the web... you can't because

all
links

from the Outline view throughout the entire presentation were converated with

the
Network

path. There was no way to change the path when you went through the process of
conversion.
I don't know if this is fixed in 2003 so this may be a moot point... I'm only using
Outlook 2003 and all other Office apps are 2002.

Steve if you want I can email you the .ppt and you can try converting it

yourself.
As I

said it is already posted as a pdf at:
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/BudgetAUHSD0405Final.pdf

Let me know if you want me to email it to you at your website "Contact"

address....
you

can contact me as webmaster@ the above domain.
Again thanks for your help-

:


Hi, and thanks for the full summary. Sorry MS didn't have a better answer

for
you,

though.

One last thing (I'm trying to repro this w/o any luck): the links are to external
files?

If so, what type of files and where are they located relative to the PPT?

Same
folder

or
elsewhere?




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[Steve Rindsberg]

Hi,

Since you found the resolution to your issue, I will mark your case as non

decrement.

So ... what do you figure "non decrement" means? Give it to me in any tongue commonly
spoken on the planet where most of us live; I'll work it out from there. ;-)

In any case, what PPT is doing with your links has nothing to do with the hyperlink
base supplied, correct?

That is ... if you plug in a hyperlink base of http:\\www.somedomain.com\ you'd
expect all links to be relative to that. Instead, they're all hardwired to the folder
where you saved the presentation. And when I was testing your original file, they
stayed hardwired to *your* original H:drive, regardless of where I saved the pres.
here. That seems to have been a related but different bug.

There was my response-

"Not so fast Daniel - Please pass this to the Web side of the house so they can

explain to you what a hyperlink base should do-

This "tag" appears in all MS Office apps that allow HTML conversion and is supposed

to control the URL paths as explained in:http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/preview.aspx?AssetID=HP052540501033&CTT=4&Origi
n=CH062528411033 - this explaination was for Excel but applies to all MS Office
applications.

Also see:
See:

http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/preview.aspx?AssetID=HP051900411033&CTT=4&Origi
n=CH063563831033 - and-

http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/preview.aspx?AssetID=HP052691581033&CTT=4&Origi
n=CH062526221033

And last but not least:
http://www.ku.edu/acs/documentation/docs/powerpoint_97_intermediate.pdf
see page 3 and I quote:
"Create a relative link - When you create a hyperlink, you set the path to its destination as
an absolute link (a fixed file location) that identifies the destination
by its full address, such as c:\My Documents\showtime.xls. You
can also set the path as a relative link. Set the path as a relative link
if you plan on moving your files to various computers.
To change the path of a relative link, set a hyperlink base for the
presentation:
1. Open the presentation for which you want to set a hyperlink
base.
2. On the File menu, click Properties, and then click the Summary
tab.
3. In the Hyperlink base box, type the path of the relative location
you want to use for all hyperlinks you create in this
presentation.
Link examples Below are examples of links:
The path can be an Internet URL: http://www.ukans.edu
The path can be folder on a hard drive: c:\documents
The path can be a path to a folder on a local area network:
\\cc_labs\folder one\subfolder"

Sorry to be blunt but, is the lack of ability to be able to enter a valid Internet

URL of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us or http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget or even a
relative path of /budget classified as an undocumented enhancement that was added to
PowerPoint 2002 or? If this is a new enhancement then you please give us a link to
the Knowledge base where it is DOCUMENTED? Also can you please give us a link to the
Knowledge Base where it is Documented that Word, Excel, Access, Publisher, FrontPage
have all been updated so that they all work consistently to follow this "new" design.

No offense, but could you please have someone that is a savvy Web Developer contact

me. I am posting this entire response to the discussion Group at:

http://www.microsoft.com/office/community/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.power
point&mid=08c31daa-43e7-462c-9c72-db3d3dce6dbe

FYI - I have been a Webmaster since before 1997. Let me assure you that converting

PowerPoint presentations to HTML and posting them to websites is something that I have
been able to successly perform multiple times during the past seven years.

Looking forward to a satisfactory resolution.
Thanks for your help."
**************************************
Wonder if I'll get another response of if this really has been " non decremented" ?!?!
I will let you all know-
Thanks, Webmaster

Hiya,

That all pretty much matches what I see here. And glad to see it's working for you
too! Thanks for posting back about it.

All -
With help from "Steve Rindsberg" Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
we have continued testing this power point presentation.... Steve also found

that
Saving as a Web Page for my .ppt did not correctly convert the links correctly to
either "relative" or absolute http://... but instead would only convert them to a C
local drive or H Network drive path.

Today I created a new .ppt save it and then converted it - Save as Web Page -

but
this time there was no hyperlink base was entered in its properties- and published.
Works!!! Viewed the html source and all links appear as relative ie: <frame
src=outline.htm title="Outline" name=PPTOtl> (doesn't matter if it was saved to my C
local or H Network drives- as one would assume). Yippee!!

So now I added hyperlink base of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget to

properties
of the .ppt and converted it - Save as Web Page and published..... It does not work-
Viewed the html souce and all links appear as ie: <frame
src=file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\Test_files\outline.htm
title="Outline" name=PPTOtl>

So now I changed hyperlink base to http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us in properties

of
the .ppt and converted it - Save as Web Page and published.....

Same results it does not work - Viewed the html souce and all links appear as

ie:
<frame src=file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\Test_files\outline.htm
title="Outline" name=PPTOtl>

Tested on two machines. On the first one I saved new presentation to C drive,

the
second to my Network H drive. Same results.

So went back to original on my Network drive and removed hyperlink base in

properties... Made sure to save .ppt (maybe I didn't save it before the conversion
attempt last time ?!? then Save As Web Page published and guess what it.... It
Works!!! Viewed the html source and all links appear as relative!!!

So this BUG only occurs if you enter a hyperklink base in the properties of your

.ppt and then Save as Web Page and publish...

I have updated the Microsoft support rep..
Again thanks to Steve for all of his help!

Hi ...

Hasn't arrived yet (it's a bit after 14:00 Eastern US Daylight time) - As soon

as
it does,

I'll shoot you an email to ack. If you don't get that in the next couple of hours, try
sending again.

Just mailed it off to you Steve... it's a little over half a Meg...... we

are on
a

gigabit backbone so don't worry if you have to send me something large back.
Thanks for your help- Webmaster

:

Hi,

Yep, I'd love to have a look at the presentation. Email/attach to steve at-sign
pptools
dot com if it's under a couple of megabytes, or email me w/o attachment if it's way
big
and we'll work something else out (ftp or the like).

Thanks.

Oh, and remind me in the body of the email that it's re "the webmaster" problem from
the
PPT newsgroup. That should be enough to kickstart the neurons.

No Steve- The links are not to external files. They are the internal

links
to the

pages
within the presentation itself. The "full screen slide show" link is a

link
to the

entire
presentation. That Bug can be reproduced when you are using "Web Page

Preview"
on your

Workstation (as an fyi, I tested it both by using a copy on my local "C"

drive
and a

copy
on my Network Drive with the same results). And yes the orginal .ppt,

the
converted

HTML
file and the resulting subfolder are contained in a single separate folder -

As far as actually viewing the presentation on the web... you can't

because
all

links
from the Outline view throughout the entire presentation were converated

with
the

Network
path. There was no way to change the path when you went through the

process
of

conversion.
I don't know if this is fixed in 2003 so this may be a moot point... I'm only using
Outlook 2003 and all other Office apps are 2002.

Steve if you want I can email you the .ppt and you can try converting it yourself.
As I
said it is already posted as a pdf at:
http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/BudgetAUHSD0405Final.pdf

Let me know if you want me to email it to you at your website "Contact" address....
you
can contact me as webmaster@ the above domain.
Again thanks for your help-

:


Hi, and thanks for the full summary. Sorry MS didn't have a better

answer
for

you,
though.

One last thing (I'm trying to repro this w/o any luck): the links are

to
external

files?

If so, what type of files and where are they located relative to the

PPT?
Same

folder
or
elsewhere?




--
Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
PPTools: www.pptools.com
================================================
Featured Presenter, PowerPoint Live 2004
October 10-13, San Diego, CA www.PowerPointLive.com
================================================

 

[Guest]

Yeah well if you can't dazzle them with your applications knowledge, I guess "they" are instructed to try and dazzle them with vocabulary... Here is the definition from good ole' merriamwebster.com -
Main Entry: dec·re·ment
Pronunciation: 'de-kr&-m&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin decrementum, from decrescere
1 : a gradual decrease in quality or quantity
2 a : the quantity lost by diminution or waste b : the amount of decrease (as of a variable)

What it means is that Daniel believes we have not (non) experienced a decrease(decrement) in the usefulness of the application. - Guess this problem will be filed under "maybe they won't notice".

Yes Steve you are right... nothing to do with the hyperlink I entered. I tested it by entering the correct path of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us in the properties. It doesn't matter if you enter http:\\www.acalanes.k12.ca.us... it still shows the C local or H network path as the file name when you go to publish it. You cannot change it even to just the simple filename.htm.

So any entry in the hyperlink base results in the local or network path being used. This is totally different from the way it used to be handled in older versions of the applications.

Currently, with all MS Office applications upon Save as Web Page, the entry of a hyperlink base is converted to the <base href> HTML tag.... Here is the example from my original .ppt with hyperlink base entry of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us and the HTML source after the .ppt has by converted by Save As Web Page:
<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<link rel=Original-File
href="file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\BudgetAUHSD0405Final.htm">
<meta name=ProgId content=PowerPoint.Slide>
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft PowerPoint 10">
<base href="http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/">
<link id=Main-File rel=Main-File
href="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\helpdesk\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.MSO\PowerPointWebPagePreview\BudgetAUHSD0405Final.htm">

Here is an example from a Word doc with hyperlink base entry of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us and the HTML source after the Word .doc has by converted by Save As Web Page:

<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
xmlns="urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice"
xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:word"
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">

<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document>
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10">
<meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10">
<base href="http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us">
<link rel=File-List
href="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\helpdesk\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.MSO\MSE\Testword\Testword_files\filelist.xml">

As you can see the hyperlink base in both the .ppt and .doc properties converted to the <base href> tag in the .htm.
However, the link rel=File-List href converted showing my local C drive path.
So it would appear that this is also problem in Word and probably many of the other apps now. I haven't noticed it because if I use a Word doc to HTML conversion I never use the resulting xml folder only the .htm file itself. I don't need the folder as all of my graphics are entered as as absolute links to the files in my graphics folder on the web server. Sorry I just like to keep things loading fast and consistent in even older browser versions.

From: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/links.html
The The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) defines the base href tag as

In HTML, links and references to external images, applets, form-processing programs, style sheets, etc. are always specified by a URI. Relative URIs are resolved according to a base URI, which may come from a variety of sources. The BASE element allows authors to specify a document's base URI explicitly.

When present, the BASE element must appear in the HEAD section of an HTML document, before any element that refers to an external source. The path information specified by the BASE element only affects URIs in the document where the element appears.

For example, given the following BASE declaration and A declaration:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>Our Products</TITLE>
<BASE href="http://www.aviary.com/products/intro.html">
</HEAD>

<BODY>
<P>Have you seen our <A href="../cages/birds.gif">Bird Cages</A>?
</BODY>
</HTML>

the relative URI "../cages/birds.gif" would resolve to:

http://www.aviary.com/cages/birds.gif

So it would seem that a field needs to be added to Properties. In addition to Hyperlink base there needs to be a File List base to allow both to be converted correct path http:// path.

Obviously I could have fixed this a long time ago just by editing the HTML and correcting the path but, why should I have to?

Somehow I just don't think Daniel and his peers understand the K.I.S.S principal...
I suggest MS should just add a good description it to the Knowledge Base, fix the code and add it to the next Office Update.

Okay, we will see what tomorrow brings....
Thanks,
Webmaster

Hi,

Since you found the resolution to your issue, I will mark your case as non

decrement.

So ... what do you figure "non decrement" means? Give it to me in any tongue commonly
spoken on the planet where most of us live; I'll work it out from there. ;-)

In any case, what PPT is doing with your links has nothing to do with the hyperlink
base supplied, correct?

That is ... if you plug in a hyperlink base of http:\\www.somedomain.com\ you'd
expect all links to be relative to that. Instead, they're all hardwired to the folder
where you saved the presentation. And when I was testing your original file, they
stayed hardwired to *your* original H:drive, regardless of where I saved the pres.
here. That seems to have been a related but different bug.

There was my response-

"Not so fast Daniel - Please pass this to the Web side of the house so they can

explain to you what a hyperlink base should do-

This "tag" appears in all MS Office apps that allow HTML conversion and is supposed

to control the URL paths as explained in:http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/preview.aspx?AssetID=HP052540501033&CTT=4&Origi
n=CH062528411033 - this explaination was for Excel but applies to all MS Office
applications.

Also see:
See:

http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/preview.aspx?AssetID=HP051900411033&CTT=4&Origi
n=CH063563831033 - and-

http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/preview.aspx?AssetID=HP052691581033&CTT=4&Origi
n=CH062526221033

And last but not least:
http://www.ku.edu/acs/documentation/docs/powerpoint_97_intermediate.pdf
see page 3 and I quote:
"Create a relative link - When you create a hyperlink, you set the path to its destination as
an absolute link (a fixed file location) that identifies the destination
by its full address, such as c:\My Documents\showtime.xls. You
can also set the path as a relative link. Set the path as a relative link
if you plan on moving your files to various computers.
To change the path of a relative link, set a hyperlink base for the
presentation:
1. Open the presentation for which you want to set a hyperlink
base.
2. On the File menu, click Properties, and then click the Summary
tab.
3. In the Hyperlink base box, type the path of the relative location
you want to use for all hyperlinks you create in this
presentation.
Link examples Below are examples of links:
The path can be an Internet URL: http://www.ukans.edu
The path can be folder on a hard drive: c:\documents
The path can be a path to a folder on a local area network:
\\cc_labs\folder one\subfolder"

Sorry to be blunt but, is the lack of ability to be able to enter a valid Internet

URL of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us or http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget or even a
relative path of /budget classified as an undocumented enhancement that was added to
PowerPoint 2002 or? If this is a new enhancement then you please give us a link to
the Knowledge base where it is DOCUMENTED? Also can you please give us a link to the
Knowledge Base where it is Documented that Word, Excel, Access, Publisher, FrontPage
have all been updated so that they all work consistently to follow this "new" design.

No offense, but could you please have someone that is a savvy Web Developer contact

me. I am posting this entire response to the discussion Group at:

http://www.microsoft.com/office/community/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.power
point&mid=08c31daa-43e7-462c-9c72-db3d3dce6dbe

FYI - I have been a Webmaster since before 1997. Let me assure you that converting

PowerPoint presentations to HTML and posting them to websites is something that I have
been able to successly perform multiple times during the past seven years.

Looking forward to a satisfactory resolution.
Thanks for your help."
**************************************
Wonder if I'll get another response of if this really has been " non decremented" ?!?!
I will let you all know-
Thanks, Webmaster

Hiya,

That all pretty much matches what I see here. And glad to see it's working for you
too! Thanks for posting back about it.

All -
With help from "Steve Rindsberg" Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
we have continued testing this power point presentation.... Steve also found that
Saving as a Web Page for my .ppt did not correctly convert the links correctly to
either "relative" or absolute http://... but instead would only convert them to a C
local drive or H Network drive path.

Today I created a new .ppt save it and then converted it - Save as Web Page - but
this time there was no hyperlink base was entered in its properties- and published.
Works!!! Viewed the html source and all links appear as relative ie: <frame
src=outline.htm title="Outline" name=PPTOtl> (doesn't matter if it was saved to my C
local or H Network drives- as one would assume). Yippee!!

So now I added hyperlink base of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget to properties
of the .ppt and converted it - Save as Web Page and published..... It does not work-
Viewed the html souce and all links appear as ie: <frame
src=file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\Test_files\outline.htm
title="Outline" name=PPTOtl>

So now I changed hyperlink base to http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us in properties of
the .ppt and converted it - Save as Web Page and published.....
Same results it does not work - Viewed the html souce and all links appear as ie:
<frame src=file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\Test_files\outline.htm
title="Outline" name=PPTOtl>

Tested on two machines. On the first one I saved new presentation to C drive, the
second to my Network H drive. Same results.

So went back to original on my Network drive and removed hyperlink base in
properties... Made sure to save .ppt (maybe I didn't save it before the conversion
attempt last time ?!? then Save As Web Page published and guess what it.... It
Works!!! Viewed the html source and all links appear as relative!!!

So this BUG only occurs if you enter a hyperklink base in the properties of your
.ppt and then Save as Web Page and publish...

I have updated the Microsoft support rep..
Again thanks to Steve for all of his help!

Hi ...

Hasn't arrived yet (it's a bit after 14:00 Eastern US Daylight time) - As soon as
it does,
I'll shoot you an email to ack. If you don't get that in the next couple of
hours, try
sending again.

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

Yeah well if you can't dazzle them with your applications knowledge, I guess

"they" are instructed to try and dazzle them with vocabulary...

Ah. Somebody had a BS in Baffelem, eh?

I passed the problem up the line a bit to somebody at MS and have heard back that
it's easily reproduced at their end, it's clearly a bug. If they gave these
things names and not numbers, I'd suggest yours. It seems that nobody's run
across this one before, even though it's been there since at least PPT 2000.

Congratulations! [pop!] [pop!] v-Champagne for everybody! ;-)

Thanks for your patience and help getting this tracked down.
Nobody can say when we'll see a fix, but at least we know the workaround.


Here is the definition from good ole' merriamwebster.com -

Main Entry: dec·re·ment
Pronunciation: 'de-kr&-m&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin decrementum, from decrescere
1 : a gradual decrease in quality or quantity
2 a : the quantity lost by diminution or waste b : the amount of decrease (as of a variable)

What it means is that Daniel believes we have not (non) experienced a

decrease(decrement) in the usefulness of the application. - Guess this problem
will be filed under "maybe they won't notice".

Yes Steve you are right... nothing to do with the hyperlink I entered. I tested

it by entering the correct path of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us in the
properties. It doesn't matter if you enter http:\\www.acalanes.k12.ca.us... it
still shows the C local or H network path as the file name when you go to publish
it. You cannot change it even to just the simple filename.htm.

So any entry in the hyperlink base results in the local or network path being

used. This is totally different from the way it used to be handled in older
versions of the applications.

Currently, with all MS Office applications upon Save as Web Page, the entry of a

hyperlink base is converted to the <base href> HTML tag.... Here is the example
from my original .ppt with hyperlink base entry of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us
and the HTML source after the .ppt has by converted by Save As Web Page:

<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<link rel=Original-File
href="file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\BudgetAUHSD0405Final.htm">
<meta name=ProgId content=PowerPoint.Slide>
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft PowerPoint 10">
<base href="http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/">
<link id=Main-File rel=Main-File
href="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\helpdesk\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.MSO\PowerPointWebPage
Preview\BudgetAUHSD0405Final.htm">

Here is an example from a Word doc with hyperlink base entry of

http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us and the HTML source after the Word .doc has by
converted by Save As Web Page:

<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
xmlns="urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice"
xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:word"
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">

<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document>
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10">
<meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10">
<base href="http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us">
<link rel=File-List
href="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\helpdesk\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.MSO\MSE\Testword\Test
word_files\filelist.xml">

As you can see the hyperlink base in both the .ppt and .doc properties converted

However, the link rel=File-List href converted showing my local C drive path.
So it would appear that this is also problem in Word and probably many of the

other apps now. I haven't noticed it because if I use a Word doc to HTML
conversion I never use the resulting xml folder only the .htm file itself. I
don't need the folder as all of my graphics are entered as as absolute links to
the files in my graphics folder on the web server. Sorry I just like to keep
things loading fast and consistent in even older browser versions.

From: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/links.html
The The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) defines the base href tag as

In HTML, links and references to external images, applets, form-processing

programs, style sheets, etc. are always specified by a URI. Relative URIs are
resolved according to a base URI, which may come from a variety of sources. The
BASE element allows authors to specify a document's base URI explicitly.

When present, the BASE element must appear in the HEAD section of an HTML

document, before any element that refers to an external source. The path
information specified by the BASE element only affects URIs in the document where
the element appears.

For example, given the following BASE declaration and A declaration:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>Our Products</TITLE>
<BASE href="http://www.aviary.com/products/intro.html">
</HEAD>

<BODY>
<P>Have you seen our <A href="../cages/birds.gif">Bird Cages</A>?
</BODY>
</HTML>

the relative URI "../cages/birds.gif" would resolve to:

http://www.aviary.com/cages/birds.gif

So it would seem that a field needs to be added to Properties. In addition to

Hyperlink base there needs to be a File List base to allow both to be converted
correct path http:// path.

Obviously I could have fixed this a long time ago just by editing the HTML and

correcting the path but, why should I have to?

Somehow I just don't think Daniel and his peers understand the K.I.S.S principal...
I suggest MS should just add a good description it to the Knowledge Base, fix

the code and add it to the next Office Update.

Okay, we will see what tomorrow brings....
Thanks,
Webmaster

Hi,

decrement.

So ... what do you figure "non decrement" means? Give it to me in any tongue commonly
spoken on the planet where most of us live; I'll work it out from there. ;-)

In any case, what PPT is doing with your links has nothing to do with the hyperlink
base supplied, correct?

That is ... if you plug in a hyperlink base of http:\\www.somedomain.com\ you'd
expect all links to be relative to that. Instead, they're all hardwired to the folder
where you saved the presentation. And when I was testing your original file, they
stayed hardwired to *your* original H:drive, regardless of where I saved the pres.
here. That seems to have been a related but different bug.


can
explain to you what a hyperlink base should do- supposed
to control the URL paths as explained in:

http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/preview.aspx?AssetID=HP052540501033&CTT=4&O
rigi

n=CH062528411033 - this explaination was for Excel but applies to all MS Office
applications.

http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/preview.aspx?AssetID=HP051900411033&CTT=4&O
rigi

n=CH063563831033 - and-

http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/preview.aspx?AssetID=HP052691581033&CTT=4&O
rigi

its
destination as Internet
URL of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us or http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget or even a
relative path of /budget classified as an undocumented enhancement that was added to
PowerPoint 2002 or? If this is a new enhancement then you please give us a link to
the Knowledge base where it is DOCUMENTED? Also can you please give us a link to the
Knowledge Base where it is Documented that Word, Excel, Access, Publisher, FrontPage
have all been updated so that they all work consistently to follow this "new" design. contact
me. I am posting this entire response to the discussion Group at:

http://www.microsoft.com/office/community/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.p
ower

point&mid=08c31daa-43e7-462c-9c72-db3d3dce6dbe

FYI - I have been a Webmaster since before 1997. Let me assure you that

converting
PowerPoint presentations to HTML and posting them to websites is something that I have
been able to successly perform multiple times during the past seven years.

Looking forward to a satisfactory resolution.
Thanks for your help."
**************************************
Wonder if I'll get another response of if this really has been " non

decremented"
?!?!

I will let you all know-
Thanks, Webmaster

:


Hiya,

That all pretty much matches what I see here. And glad to see it's

working for
you

too! Thanks for posting back about it.

All -
With help from "Steve Rindsberg" Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
we have continued testing this power point presentation.... Steve also

found
that

Saving as a Web Page for my .ppt did not correctly convert the links correctly to
either "relative" or absolute http://... but instead would only convert

them to a
C

local drive or H Network drive path.

Today I created a new .ppt save it and then converted it - Save as Web

Page -
but

this time there was no hyperlink base was entered in its properties- and published.
Works!!! Viewed the html source and all links appear as relative ie: <frame
src=outline.htm title="Outline" name=PPTOtl> (doesn't matter if it was

saved to my
C

local or H Network drives- as one would assume). Yippee!!

So now I added hyperlink base of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget to properties
of the .ppt and converted it - Save as Web Page and published..... It does

not
work-

Viewed the html souce and all links appear as ie: <frame
src=file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\Test_files\outline.htm
title="Outline" name=PPTOtl>

So now I changed hyperlink base to http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us in

properties
of

the .ppt and converted it - Save as Web Page and published.....
Same results it does not work - Viewed the html souce and all links

appear as
ie:

<frame src=file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\Test_files\outline.htm
title="Outline" name=PPTOtl>

Tested on two machines. On the first one I saved new presentation to C

drive,
the

second to my Network H drive. Same results.

So went back to original on my Network drive and removed hyperlink base in
properties... Made sure to save .ppt (maybe I didn't save it before the conversion
attempt last time ?!? then Save As Web Page published and guess what it.... It
Works!!! Viewed the html source and all links appear as relative!!!

So this BUG only occurs if you enter a hyperklink base in the properties of your
.ppt and then Save as Web Page and publish...

I have updated the Microsoft support rep..
Again thanks to Steve for all of his help!

Hi ...

Hasn't arrived yet (it's a bit after 14:00 Eastern US Daylight time) -

As soon
as

it does,
I'll shoot you an email to ack. If you don't get that in the next couple of
hours, try
sending again.

wrote:

Just mailed it off to you Steve... it's a little over half a

Meg...... we
are on

a
gigabit backbone so don't worry if you have to send me something large back.
Thanks for your help- Webmaster

:

Hi,

Yep, I'd love to have a look at the presentation. Email/attach to steve
at-sign
pptools
dot com if it's under a couple of megabytes, or email me w/o attachment if
it's way
big
and we'll work something else out (ftp or the like).

Thanks.

Oh, and remind me in the body of the email that it's re "the webmaster"
problem from
the
PPT newsgroup. That should be enough to kickstart the neurons.


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[Kathy J]

Does this mean that the problem and workaround will be showing up in the FAQ
sometime soon?

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Author of Kathy Jacobs on PowerPoint - Available now from Holy Macro! Books
Get PowerPoint answers at http://www.powerpointanswers.com
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I believe life is meant to be lived. But:
if we live without making a difference, it makes no difference that we lived

Yeah well if you can't dazzle them with your applications knowledge, I

guess
"they" are instructed to try and dazzle them with vocabulary...

Ah. Somebody had a BS in Baffelem, eh?

I passed the problem up the line a bit to somebody at MS and have heard back that
it's easily reproduced at their end, it's clearly a bug. If they gave these
things names and not numbers, I'd suggest yours. It seems that nobody's run
across this one before, even though it's been there since at least PPT 2000.

Congratulations! [pop!] [pop!] v-Champagne for everybody! ;-)

Thanks for your patience and help getting this tracked down.
Nobody can say when we'll see a fix, but at least we know the workaround.


Here is the definition from good ole' merriamwebster.com -

Main Entry: dec·re·ment
Pronunciation: 'de-kr&-m&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin decrementum, from decrescere
1 : a gradual decrease in quality or quantity
2 a : the quantity lost by diminution or waste b : the amount of

decrease (as of
a variable)

What it means is that Daniel believes we have not (non) experienced a

decrease(decrement) in the usefulness of the application. - Guess this problem
will be filed under "maybe they won't notice".

Yes Steve you are right... nothing to do with the hyperlink I entered.

I tested
it by entering the correct path of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us in the
properties. It doesn't matter if you enter

http:\\www.acalanes.k12.ca.us... it

still shows the C local or H network path as the file name when you go to publish
it. You cannot change it even to just the simple filename.htm.

So any entry in the hyperlink base results in the local or network path

being
used. This is totally different from the way it used to be handled in older
versions of the applications.

Currently, with all MS Office applications upon Save as Web Page, the

entry of a
hyperlink base is converted to the <base href> HTML tag.... Here is the example
from my original .ppt with hyperlink base entry of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us
and the HTML source after the .ppt has by converted by Save As Web Page:

<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<link rel=Original-File

href="file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\BudgetAUHSD0405Final.htm"

<meta name=ProgId content=PowerPoint.Slide>
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft PowerPoint 10">
<base href="http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/">
<link id=Main-File rel=Main-File

href="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\helpdesk\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.MSO\PowerPointW
ebPage

Preview\BudgetAUHSD0405Final.htm">

Here is an example from a Word doc with hyperlink base entry of

http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us and the HTML source after the Word .doc has by
converted by Save As Web Page:

<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
xmlns="urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice"
xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:word"
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">

<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document>
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10">
<meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 10">
<base href="http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us">
<link rel=File-List

href="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\helpdesk\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.MSO\MSE\Testwor
d\Test

word_files\filelist.xml">

As you can see the hyperlink base in both the .ppt and .doc properties

converted

However, the link rel=File-List href converted showing my local C drive path.
So it would appear that this is also problem in Word and probably many

of the
other apps now. I haven't noticed it because if I use a Word doc to HTML
conversion I never use the resulting xml folder only the .htm file itself. I
don't need the folder as all of my graphics are entered as as absolute links to
the files in my graphics folder on the web server. Sorry I just like to keep
things loading fast and consistent in even older browser versions.

From: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/links.html
The The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) defines the base href tag as

In HTML, links and references to external images, applets,

form-processing
programs, style sheets, etc. are always specified by a URI. Relative URIs are
resolved according to a base URI, which may come from a variety of sources. The
BASE element allows authors to specify a document's base URI explicitly.

When present, the BASE element must appear in the HEAD section of an

HTML
document, before any element that refers to an external source. The path
information specified by the BASE element only affects URIs in the document where
the element appears.

For example, given the following BASE declaration and A declaration:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>Our Products</TITLE>
<BASE href="http://www.aviary.com/products/intro.html">
</HEAD>

<BODY>
<P>Have you seen our <A href="../cages/birds.gif">Bird Cages</A>?
</BODY>
</HTML>

the relative URI "../cages/birds.gif" would resolve to:

http://www.aviary.com/cages/birds.gif

So it would seem that a field needs to be added to Properties. In

addition to
Hyperlink base there needs to be a File List base to allow both to be converted
correct path http:// path.

Obviously I could have fixed this a long time ago just by editing the

HTML and
correcting the path but, why should I have to?

Somehow I just don't think Daniel and his peers understand the K.I.S.S principal...
I suggest MS should just add a good description it to the Knowledge

Base, fix
the code and add it to the next Office Update.

Okay, we will see what tomorrow brings....
Thanks,
Webmaster

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[Kathy J]

Best Bug Reward I've Ever Seen:
Hubby's former boss bought a bunch of glow in the dark plastic bugs. Every
time he found a bug in the software they used, she gave him another bug.
He's got quite a collection of them. Being a sys admin, every bug he found
and forced the software company to fix was money saved by his employer.
(Boy, I miss him having that job )

--
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Author of Kathy Jacobs on PowerPoint - Available now from Holy Macro! Books
Get PowerPoint answers at http://www.powerpointanswers.com
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I believe life is meant to be lived. But:
if we live without making a difference, it makes no difference that we lived

Well thanks Steve... maybe they could call it the ppt bug :-? I have to

tell you that the first Bug Award I ever received was in 1981 - two yellow
bug light bulbs which sat on my desk for years.

Hopefully they will add something to the Knowledge Base about this....

Anyway here is Daniel's, MS Support, response received this

morning -(somehow he still just doesn't quite get it... maybe you should see
if "your MS guys" can talk to him -and I'll send him what I posted yesterday
so he can actually see the code):

***************************

"Webmaster" (SIC)
When I referred to I would make your case "Non decremented" means it will

"not be subtracted" from one of the support issues you receive when you
purchase a Microsoft Product.

Personally, I think adequate documentation which explains the purpose of

hyperlink base is provided by the online help in Powerpoint and Office which
you have already found(There is also a reference in Powerpoint Help, type
Hyperlink base, it should show "Set a Hyperlink Base").

(hyperlink base: When a relative link is based on a path you specify (the

first part of the path that is shared by the file containing the hyperlink
and the destination file), that path is the hyperlink base.).

As I explained this feature is not often used in Powerpoint, and can be misunderstood.

Explanation of Hyperlink Base

operates in the same way in all versions.

By entering a Hyperlink base you are telling Powerpoint that

1)Where you export your html from Powerpoint it will be the final destination.

If you need to move it to a different location (and you have an entry in

Hyperlink Base) then export the Presentation from Powerpoint to that
location

eg Publish to a Website via a webfolder
http://cnn.com

or Publish to a network location such as H:/network docs/powerpoint report/


2) Hyperlink base path applies to relative external hyperlinks (exported

Something which was asked by Steve, was "are you referring to external files", your answer was no.

However the main purpose of the Hyperlink base is to automatically address

external relative hyperlinks, which are not generated in exporting this
presentation

Such as hyperlinks to files
worddoc.doc/powerpointshow.pps

or pages which already exist somewhere on your website
secondpowerpointreport.html

To use this feature, insert the external hyperlink and edit it to remove its current path
eg c:/documents settings/username/desktop/worddoc.doc
to leave the hyperlink pointing to just
worddoc.doc

so to recap
your hyperlink will be
before
c:/documents settings/username/desktop/wordfile.doc
or
c:/documents settings/username/desktop/secondpowerpointreport.html

after editing external hyperlink to make it relative
wordfile.doc
secondpowerpointreport.html

after publishing the html they will operate as (hyperlink base + file) http://www.hyperlinkbase.com/wordfile.doc
http://www.hyperlinkbase.com/secondpowerpointreport.html


I hope I have provided adequate documentation of the Hyperlink Base.

If you wish to speak to a manager to express your concerns about the

properties of the feature or if you find it misleading, I can arrange that,
although they would be non technical.

regards,
Daniel S...

***************************************

Yeah well if you can't dazzle them with your applications knowledge, I

guess
"they" are instructed to try and dazzle them with vocabulary...

Ah. Somebody had a BS in Baffelem, eh?

I passed the problem up the line a bit to somebody at MS and have heard back that
it's easily reproduced at their end, it's clearly a bug. If they gave these
things names and not numbers, I'd suggest yours. It seems that nobody's run
across this one before, even though it's been there since at least PPT 2000.

Congratulations! [pop!] [pop!] v-Champagne for everybody! ;-)

Thanks for your patience and help getting this tracked down.
Nobody can say when we'll see a fix, but at least we know the workaround.


Here is the definition from good ole' merriamwebster.com -

Main Entry: dec·re·ment
Pronunciation: 'de-kr&-m&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin decrementum, from decrescere
1 : a gradual decrease in quality or quantity
2 a : the quantity lost by diminution or waste b : the amount of

decrease (as of
a variable)

What it means is that Daniel believes we have not (non) experienced a

decrease(decrement) in the usefulness of the application. - Guess this problem
will be filed under "maybe they won't notice".

Yes Steve you are right... nothing to do with the hyperlink I entered.

I tested
it by entering the correct path of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us in the
properties. It doesn't matter if you enter http:\\www.acalanes.k12.ca.us... it
still shows the C local or H network path as the file name when you go to publish
it. You cannot change it even to just the simple filename.htm.

So any entry in the hyperlink base results in the local or network

path being
used. This is totally different from the way it used to be handled in older
versions of the applications.

Currently, with all MS Office applications upon Save as Web Page, the

entry of a
hyperlink base is converted to the <base href> HTML tag.... Here is the example
from my original .ppt with hyperlink base entry of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us
and the HTML source after the .ppt has by converted by Save As Web Page:

<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<link rel=Original-File

href="file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\BudgetAUHSD0405Final.htm"href="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\helpdesk\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.MSO\PowerPointW
ebPage

http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us and the HTML source after the Word .doc has by
converted by Save As Web Page:

href="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\helpdesk\LOCALS~1\TEMPOR~1\Content.MSO\MSE\Testwor
d\Test

converted
of the
other apps now. I haven't noticed it because if I use a Word doc to HTML
conversion I never use the resulting xml folder only the .htm file itself. I
don't need the folder as all of my graphics are entered as as absolute links to
the files in my graphics folder on the web server. Sorry I just like to keep
things loading fast and consistent in even older browser versions. form-processing
programs, style sheets, etc. are always specified by a URI. Relative URIs are
resolved according to a base URI, which may come from a variety of sources. The
BASE element allows authors to specify a document's base URI explicitly. HTML
document, before any element that refers to an external source. The path
information specified by the BASE element only affects URIs in the document where
the element appears. addition to
Hyperlink base there needs to be a File List base to allow both to be converted
correct path http:// path. HTML and
correcting the path but, why should I have to? Base, fix
the code and add it to the next Office Update.

Webmaster

:

Hi,

Since you found the resolution to your issue, I will mark your case as non
decrement.

So ... what do you figure "non decrement" means? Give it to me in any tongue
commonly spoken on the planet where most of us live; I'll work it out from there. ;-)

In any case, what PPT is doing with your links has nothing to do with the
hyperlink base supplied, correct?

That is ... if you plug in a hyperlink base of http:\\www.somedomain.com\
you'd
expect all links to be relative to that. Instead, they're all hardwired to
the folder where you saved the presentation. And when I was testing your

original file, they stayed hardwired to *your* original H:drive, regardless
of where I saved the pres. here. That seems to have been a related but
different bug.

There was my response-

"Not so fast Daniel - Please pass this to the Web side of the house so they can
explain to you what a hyperlink base should do-
This "tag" appears in all MS Office apps that allow HTML conversion and is
supposed to control the URL paths as explained in:

http://office.microsoft.com/assista...ID=HP052540501033&CTT=4&Origin=CH062528411033 -
this explaination was for Excel but applies to all MS Office applications.

Also see:
See:

http://office.microsoft.com/assista...ID=HP051900411033&CTT=4&Origin=CH063563831033 -
and-
http://office.microsoft.com/assista...ID=HP052691581033&CTT=4&Origin=CH062526221033

And last but not least:
http://www.ku.edu/acs/documentation/docs/powerpoint_97_intermediate.pdf
see page 3 and I quote:
"Create a relative link - When you create a hyperlink, you set the path to its
destination as
an absolute link (a fixed file location) that identifies the destination

by its full address, such as c:\My Documents\showtime.xls. You

can also set the path as a relative link. Set the path as a relative link
if you plan on moving your files to various computers.
To change the path of a relative link, set a hyperlink base for the
presentation:
1. Open the presentation for which you want to set a hyperlink base.
2. On the File menu, click Properties, and then click the Summary
tab.
3. In the Hyperlink base box, type the path of the relative location
you want to use for all hyperlinks you create in this
presentation.
Link examples Below are examples of links:
The path can be an Internet URL: http://www.ukans.edu
The path can be folder on a hard drive: c:\documents
The path can be a path to a folder on a local area network:
\\cc_labs\folder one\subfolder"

Sorry to be blunt but, is the lack of ability to be able to enter a valid
Internet
URL of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us or http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget
or even a relative path of /budget classified as an undocumented enhancement that was
added to PowerPoint 2002 or? If this is a new enhancement then you

please give us a link to the Knowledge base where it is DOCUMENTED? Also
can you please give us a link to the

Knowledge Base where it is Documented that Word, Excel, Access, Publisher,
FrontPage have all been updated so that they all work consistently to follow this "new" design.

No offense, but could you please have someone that is a savvy Web Developer
contact me. I am posting this entire response to the discussion Group at:

http://www.microsoft.com/office/com...oint&mid=08c31daa-43e7-462c-9c72-db3d3dce6dbe

FYI - I have been a Webmaster since before 1997. Let me assure you that
converting
PowerPoint presentations to HTML and posting them to websites is something
that I have been able to successly perform multiple times during the past seven years.

Looking forward to a satisfactory resolution.
Thanks for your help."
**************************************
Wonder if I'll get another response of if this really has been " non decremented"
?!?!
I will let you all know-
Thanks, Webmaster

:

Hiya,That all pretty much matches what I see here. And glad to see it's
working for you too! Thanks for posting back about it.

All -
With help from "Steve Rindsberg" Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
we have continued testing this power point presentation.... Steve also found that
Saving as a Web Page for my .ppt did not correctly convert the links
correctly to either "relative" or absolute http://... but instead would only convert
them to a C local drive or H Network drive path.

Today I created a new .ppt save it and then converted it - Save as Web
Page - but this time there was no hyperlink base was entered in its properties- and
published.
Works!!! Viewed the html source and all links appear as relative ie:
<frame src=outline.htm title="Outline" name=PPTOtl> (doesn't matter if it was
saved to my C
local or H Network drives- as one would assume). Yippee!!

So now I added hyperlink base of http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us/budget to
properties of the .ppt and converted it - Save as Web Page and

published..... It does not work-

Viewed the html souce and all links appear as ie: <frame
src=file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\Test_files\outline.htm
title="Outline" name=PPTOtl>

So now I changed hyperlink base to http://www.acalanes.k12.ca.us in
properties of the .ppt and converted it - Save as Web Page and published.....
Same results it does not work - Viewed the html souce and all links
appear as
ie: <frame

src=file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\budget\Test_files\outline.htm
title="Outline" name=PPTOtl>

Tested on two machines. On the first one I saved new presentation to C drive,
the second to my Network H drive. Same results.

So went back to original on my Network drive and removed hyperlink base
in properties... Made sure to save .ppt (maybe I didn't save it before the
conversion attempt last time ?!? then Save As Web Page published and guess what
it.... It Works!!! Viewed the html source and all links appear as relative!!!

So this BUG only occurs if you enter a hyperklink base in the properties
of your .ppt and then Save as Web Page and publish...

I have updated the Microsoft support rep..
Again thanks to Steve for all of his help!

Daylight time) -
As soon the next
couple of a
Meg...... we something large
back. Email/attach to
steve w/o
attachment if "the
webmaster" are the
internal show" link
is a using "Web
Page on my
local "C" orginal
.ppt, single
separate web... you
can't were
converated through
the moot
point... I'm try
converting it website
"Contact" didn't have a
better luck): the
links are relative
to the
for professional "software support"... only server support though Technet.

The original Microsoft assigned incident number was
SRZ040701001120
- under the "Home User Support" logging. I am following up with this post in
hopes that the Professional side of the house runs this though QA and

follows-up with a Hot Fix for this problem---

of course I can always keep converting them to .pdfs if Microsoft can't get this fixed.

Again thanks for all of your help! - Webmaster (aka PPT - known as this

even before PowerPoint was a twinkle in a developers eye !)

 

[Steve Rindsberg]

Does this mean that the problem and workaround will be showing up in the FAQ
sometime soon?

But of course.

Links between slides don't work in PowerPoint HTML
http://www.rdpslides.com/pptfaq/FAQ00620.htm

It's not up yet but will be .. having FTP problems at the moment.


--
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