Start up Progams in XP

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hello
I am running 2 Vista computers and know where to find the startup programs

my friend runs XP pro 2003 (SP 3 I think) (trying to help him out)

I can find some, but cant find all programs that are running at start up
the don't show where IE, Media player and others show up

like SuperAntiSpy, Skype and others none Microsoft
maybe the show in a different folder

the plant them self in the lower right corner when ever the computer is
rebooted

it takes time when its a big program like SuperAntiSpy
(and Skype a life line for bugs in to the comp. :))

trying to disable or remove them so the wont run at starup

thanks
fritz
 
silver said:
hello
I am running 2 Vista computers and know where to find the startup programs

my friend runs XP pro 2003 (SP 3 I think) (trying to help him out)

I can find some, but cant find all programs that are running at start up
the don't show where IE, Media player and others show up

like SuperAntiSpy, Skype and others none Microsoft
maybe the show in a different folder

the plant them self in the lower right corner when ever the computer is
rebooted

it takes time when its a big program like SuperAntiSpy
(and Skype a life line for bugs in to the comp. :))

trying to disable or remove them so the wont run at starup

thanks
fritz
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In most cases, with "well-mannered" applications, it's usually as
simple as opening the undesired program and deselecting the option to
"display icon in the system tray" or to "start when Windows starts."

Additionally, look in the C:\Documents and Settings\All
Users\Start Menu\Programs\Start Up and C:\Documents and
Settings\username\Start Menu\Programs\Start Up folders, and in the
system registry, primarily in the
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run and
HKCU\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run keys.

How to Troubleshoot By Using the Msconfig Utility in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;310560


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what you might try to do is initiate
a procedure called "clean boot"

a clean boot eliminates the starting
of programs when the desktop tries
to load.

here is how you can initiate a clean
boot:

click on start>run>msconfig

type msconfig above into the run
window and hit the enter key.

a windows will open with tabs on
it.

go to the startup tab and everything
that is checked, you can uncheck them.

unchecking them will disable those
startup programs.

then click the apply button.

next go to the services tab and "hide"
all microsoft services.

what remains can be unchecked as
well.

then click apply button.

then reboot and your windows will
be restarting without all those programs
you unchecked.


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db said:
what you might try to do is initiate
a procedure called "clean boot"

a clean boot eliminates the starting
of programs when the desktop tries
to load.

here is how you can initiate a clean
boot:

click on start>run>msconfig

type msconfig above into the run
window and hit the enter key.

a windows will open with tabs on
it.

go to the startup tab and everything
that is checked, you can uncheck them.

unchecking them will disable those
startup programs.

then click the apply button.

next go to the services tab and "hide"
all microsoft services.

what remains can be unchecked as
well.

then click apply button.

then reboot and your windows will
be restarting without all those programs
you unchecked.
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That's potentially fine - as long as done carefully - for temporary
diagnostic purposes, but it's very bad advice as a long-term solution.
(Mindlessly disabling crucial services, and even some startup programs,
as you so irresponsibly advise, could render a computer either unusable
or extremely vulnerable to malware infestations.)

Remember, MSConfig was designed to be a troubleshooting tool, not a
"startup configurer." One uses MSConfig to determine the location of
the command that is attempting to start the program, and remove it.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
hello
I am running 2 Vista computers and know where to find the startup programs

my friend runs XP pro 2003 (SP 3 I think) (trying to help him out)

I can find some, but cant find all programs that are running at start up
the don't show where IE, Media player and others show up

like SuperAntiSpy, Skype and others none Microsoft
maybe the show in a different folder

the plant them self in the lower right corner when ever the computer is
rebooted

it takes time when its a big program like SuperAntiSpy
(and Skype a life line for bugs in to the comp. :))

trying to disable or remove them so the wont run at starup
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First, note that you should be concerned with *all* programs that
start automatically, not just with those that go into the system tray.
Not all autostarting programs manifest themselves by an icon in the
tray.

On each program you don't want to start automatically, check its
Options to see if it has the choice not to start (make sure you
actually choose the option not to run it, not just a "don't show icon"
option). Many can easily and best be stopped that way. If that doesn't
work, run MSCONFIG from the Start | Run line, and on the Startup tab,
uncheck the programs you don't want to start automatically.

However, if I were you, I wouldn't do this just for the purpose of
running the minimum number of programs. Despite what many people tell
you, you should be concerned, not with how *many* of these programs
you run, but *which*. Some of them can hurt performance severely, but
others have no effect on performance.

Don't just stop programs from running willy-nilly. What you should do
is determine what each program is, what its value is to you, and what
the cost in performance is of its running all the time. You can try
google searches and ask about specifics here.

Once you have that information, you can make an intelligent informed
decision about what you want to keep and what you want to get rid of.
 
silver said:
hello
I am running 2 Vista computers and know where to find the startup programs

my friend runs XP pro 2003 (SP 3 I think) (trying to help him out)

I can find some, but cant find all programs that are running at start up
the don't show where IE, Media player and others show up

like SuperAntiSpy, Skype and others none Microsoft
maybe the show in a different folder

the plant them self in the lower right corner when ever the computer is
rebooted

it takes time when its a big program like SuperAntiSpy
(and Skype a life line for bugs in to the comp. :))

trying to disable or remove them so the wont run at starup

thanks
fritz
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Both Skype and Superantispyware have an option to not load with windows
in their preferences. What are the "others"?

M
 
while I would agree with you
if the discussion was on laptops,

there are no crucial programs that
need to be started up with windows.

whatever windows needs for starting
up will certainly not be third party
programs.

the above is also evident in clean
installations of windows.

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
db said:
while I would agree with you
if the discussion was on laptops,
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The computer's form factor (i.e., laptop vs. desktop vs. server) is
completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

there are no crucial programs that
need to be started up with windows.
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If one assumes that the computer's sole purpose is to boot into Windows
and never to be used for anything else, and never to be connected to the
Internet.....

whatever windows needs for starting
up will certainly not be third party
programs.
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So, you've never heard of such applications as firewalls, anti-virus,
and/or anti-malware applications? Those all should start with Windows,
if not before, unless the computer in question is completely isolated
from the outside world.

the above is also evident in clean
installations of windows.
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Maybe so, but a computer with only Windows (or only any other operating
system, for that matter) installed is pretty useless.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
Bruce Chambers said:
That's potentially fine - as long as done carefully - for temporary
diagnostic purposes, but it's very bad advice as a long-term solution.
(Mindlessly disabling crucial services, and even some startup programs, as
you so irresponsibly advise, could render a computer either unusable or
extremely vulnerable to malware infestations.)
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Bruce Chambers
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If the OP leaves all Microsoft services ticked then his machine will not
become unusable, even if he unticks all items under the Startup tab.
However, he may lose one or more of the following facilites/functions:
- Virus/Malware protection
- Third-party firewall protection
- Machine-specific add-ons such as display adapter refresh rate/resolution,
sound facilities, special keyboard drivers, hard disk shock protection etc.

If you disagree then I invite you to name a single service or startup
program that would render a computer unusable if the OP adhered to the above
recommendations.
 
Pegasus said:
If the OP leaves all Microsoft services ticked then his machine will not
become unusable, even if he unticks all items under the Startup tab.
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Ah, but that's the big "*IF!*, isn't it? It'd be awfully easy, given
only the text above, for an inexperienced user to disable something
crucial, like CSRSS.exe, LSASS.exe, or even Winlogon.exe. I dare say
that would render, at least temporarily, the computer unuseable.

However, he may lose one or more of the following facilites/functions:
- Virus/Malware protection
- Third-party firewall protection
- Machine-specific add-ons such as display adapter refresh rate/resolution,
sound facilities, special keyboard drivers, hard disk shock protection etc.
Click to expand...

All true.
If you disagree then I invite you to name a single service or startup
program that would render a computer unusable if the OP adhered to the above
recommendations.
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If a user *strictly* adhered to the advice above, and made no mistakes,
he/she should be safe enough. But we need to consider the technical
abilities of the general audience; I simply think "db" should have been
a bit clearer in his instructions, and included a cautionary note or two.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
Bruce Chambers said:
Ah, but that's the big "*IF!*, isn't it? It'd be awfully easy, given only
the text above, for an inexperienced user to disable something crucial,
like CSRSS.exe, LSASS.exe, or even Winlogon.exe. I dare say that would
render, at least temporarily, the computer unuseable.



All true.



If a user *strictly* adhered to the advice above, and made no mistakes,
he/she should be safe enough. But we need to consider the technical
abilities of the general audience; I simply think "db" should have been a
bit clearer in his instructions, and included a cautionary note or two.

Bruce Chambers
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It appears that we are in agreement. Your clarification/confirmation was
important to me because I occasionally recommend the msconfig-method when
advising posters on how to identify malware programs.
 
Pegasus said:
It appears that we are in agreement. Your clarification/confirmation was
important to me because I occasionally recommend the msconfig-method when
advising posters on how to identify malware programs.
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I've no objection to that, certainly. After all, I've always
maintained that MSConfig is a diagnostic tool.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
silver hair said:
hello
I am running 2 Vista computers and know where to find the startup programs

my friend runs XP pro 2003 (SP 3 I think) (trying to help him out)

I can find some, but cant find all programs that are running at start up
the don't show where IE, Media player and others show up

like SuperAntiSpy, Skype and others none Microsoft
maybe the show in a different folder

the plant them self in the lower right corner when ever the computer is
rebooted

it takes time when its a big program like SuperAntiSpy
(and Skype a life line for bugs in to the comp. :))

trying to disable or remove them so the wont run at starup

thanks
fritz
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Start, Programs, shows what programs and applications you have.

Start, Settings, Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs shows programs and
applications that you can uninstall.

Start, Run, type msconfig in the dialog box, opens the System Configuration
Utility. Click the Startup tab to see the programs that start at startup.
Google to find out what the programs are if you don't know.
 
windows has its own firewall.

I can logically argue with the
rest of your statements but it
would be a waste of my
valuable time.

it is suffice just to say that no
third party programs are crucial
to load at startup because they
can be started manually at the
users convenience.



--
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DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces
- @Hotmail.com
- nntp Postologist
~ "share the nirvana" - dbZen

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
Mark Adams said:
Start, Programs, shows what programs and applications you have.

Start, Settings, Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs shows programs and
applications that you can uninstall.

Start, Run, type msconfig in the dialog box, opens the System Configuration
Utility. Click the Startup tab to see the programs that start at startup.
Google to find out what the programs are if you don't know.
Click to expand...

thank you Mark
this will be most help full
and quick responds
Fritz
 
Ken Blake said:
First, note that you should be concerned with *all* programs that
start automatically, not just with those that go into the system tray.
Not all autostarting programs manifest themselves by an icon in the
tray.

On each program you don't want to start automatically, check its
Options to see if it has the choice not to start (make sure you
actually choose the option not to run it, not just a "don't show icon"
option). Many can easily and best be stopped that way. If that doesn't
work, run MSCONFIG from the Start | Run line, and on the Startup tab,
uncheck the programs you don't want to start automatically.

However, if I were you, I wouldn't do this just for the purpose of
running the minimum number of programs. Despite what many people tell
you, you should be concerned, not with how *many* of these programs
you run, but *which*. Some of them can hurt performance severely, but
others have no effect on performance.

Don't just stop programs from running willy-nilly. What you should do
is determine what each program is, what its value is to you, and what
the cost in performance is of its running all the time. You can try
google searches and ask about specifics here.

Once you have that information, you can make an intelligent informed
decision about what you want to keep and what you want to get rid of.
Click to expand...

fritz
hello

I thank you all,
all that took time to answer my question,
and you did in many ways
thanks again
fritz

after a few years on this site all ready know
by the names witch post I read first

what programs run computer
what programs protect computer from internet
what programs scan computer
In this case it was, have third party programs a sleep till the where needed
 
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