Spy Sweeper, McAfee, and SLOOOW Computer


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Guest

I have both McAfee (all protections) and Spy Sweeper (with Anti Virus, v.5.3)
loaded on my Dell computer. Start up is VERY SLOW. I have done de-frag,
general housekeeping (emptying unused files, programs, etc.) nothing seems to
help much. Any suggestions? Will I be safe if I remove McAfee and just leave
Spy Sweeper?
 
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Earl Grey

Helmut:

By themselves, McAfee Total Protection and Spy Sweeper w/Antivirus will
cause your computer to start and operate slowly. You have both.

Moreover, you should never have two anti-virus programs installed on a
computer. The same is becoming increasingly true for anti-spyware
programs, too.

Choose the program you want and uninstall the other.

Earl Grey
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

Earl said:
Helmut:

By themselves, McAfee Total Protection and Spy Sweeper w/Antivirus
will cause your computer to start and operate slowly. You have both.

Moreover, you should never have two anti-virus programs installed on a
computer.


I don't agree. There is nothing wrong with having two or more installed at
once. But there is a lot wrong with having two or more *running* at once.

The same is becoming increasingly true for anti-spyware
programs, too.


I disagree vehemently with that statement. One anti-spyware program is
simply not enough. Note that Eric Howes, who has done extensive testing on
Anti-Spyware products, states:

"No single anti-spyware scanner removes everything. Even the best-performing
anti-spyware scanner in these tests missed fully one quarter of the
"critical" files and Registry entries" See
http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm
 
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Earl Grey

Hi Ken:

I'm glad we can disagree and still be respectful of each other's points
of view.

As the threats facing users become more and more complex, which they
unfortunately are, security software has to sink deeper hooks into a
system. Also, malware is becoming more of a blended threat, so the
distinctions between viruses and spyware, for example, are beginning to
blur.

Consequently: Whereas in the past it might have been fine to have two AV
applications installed if only one was active, that is fast becoming no
longer true. And whereas in the past it was not only fine, but
recommended practice to have several 'anti-spyware' applications running
at the same time, that advice is also starting to fall by the wayside.

Nowadays, many AV and/or AS apps won't even install if they detect the
presence of similar apps, whether running or not. And the newest version
of Zone Alarm Security Suite is not the only application that will crash
under different circumstances in the presence of other AV's and AS's.

(In my particular case, on-demand disk scans crashed vsmon until I
uninstalled Spy Sweeper, even though it wasn't active at the time.
Interestingly enough, there are other anti-spyware applications that
cause no trouble for ZASS.)

It's still possible to combine security software from different vendors,
but you have to keep on top of what is still compatible with what. I
have not read any recent advice saying that it's still OK to have to AVs
on the same computer.

For better or worse, suite solutions are gaining traction over a
best-of-breed approach, even where a suite combines products from two
vendors (SS w/AV and ZASS are examples). It comes down to compatibility.

Earl Grey
 
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Guest

thanks to both of you for sharing your expertise, this is an interesting
back-and-forth! A further note on my situation: I actually tried uninstalling
McAfee (after reading some posts that said McAfee hogs resources) and left
Spy Sweeper on. My computer was soon after infected with something (Spydawn?)
that just took over every time I tried to connect to the internet. I was able
to fix this (at least, I THINK I fixed it) by doing a system restore to
before I removed McAfee.

I think this experience means that Spy Sweeper alone doesn't protect my
computer. Ken, if your opinion is not to run more than one at a time, do you
have a recommendation about one protection program that really works?

Earl Grey, if your opinion is more than one is needed, do you have any
recommendations about fixing the REALLY SLOW start up?

Any other opinions out there?

Thanks.
 
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Earl Grey

Hi Helmut:

I won't address your questions to Ken, for whose knowledge and
experience I have great respect, but I will make the following points:

One of the reasons many experienced users love to hate McAfee and
'Norton' products is that they can be difficult to uninstall. I have not
had the (dis)pleasure of using McAfee software, so I suggest you get
advice on how to uninstall it completely.

If in fact you have a malware infection it may be due to the fact that
you had two AV products active on your system at the same time. Each AV
program can view the other program as malicious software, so neither can
do their job properly.

System Restore does NOT fix a malware infection. You need to remove the
malware. That will go a long way toward speeding your startup.

Earl Grey
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

Helmut said:
thanks to both of you for sharing your expertise, this is an
interesting back-and-forth! A further note on my situation: I
actually tried uninstalling McAfee (after reading some posts that
said McAfee hogs resources) and left Spy Sweeper on. My computer was
soon after infected with something (Spydawn?) that just took over
every time I tried to connect to the internet. I was able to fix this
(at least, I THINK I fixed it) by doing a system restore to before I
removed McAfee.

I think this experience means that Spy Sweeper alone doesn't protect
my computer. Ken, if your opinion is not to run more than one at a
time, do you have a recommendation about one protection program that
really works?


Again I know nothing about Spy Sweeper, and have no comments about it. I do
not recommend running more than one anti-virus program at a time, but I very
much *do* recommend using more than one anti-spware product to scan the
system

And I do *not* think that that you can rely on "one protection program."

I use all of the following

Firewall:
ZoneAlarm free

Anti-virus:
Avast

Anti-spyware:
Spyware Blaster
Spybot Search and Destroy
Adaware
Windows Defender.
 
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Gerry Cornell

Earl

A UK computer magazine conducted tests on the latest versions of 12
leading anti-virus prpgrammes. Symantec was 8th, McAfee 10th and Trend
Micro was 11th. These are the three market leaders. Alwil Avast was
12th. Kapersky Lab was 1 and Steganos 2.


--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
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Earl Grey

Gerry:

You didn't say what the ranking means: Speed? Effectiveness (at doing
what?) Something else?

Earl Grey
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

Gerry said:
Earl

A UK computer magazine conducted tests on the latest versions of 12
leading anti-virus prpgrammes. Symantec was 8th, McAfee 10th and Trend
Micro was 11th. These are the three market leaders. Alwil Avast was
12th. Kapersky Lab was 1 and Steganos 2.


I am personally very suspicious of comparison and reviews done by computer
magazines. These are companies that derive much of their income from
advertisements, and I therefore don't trust them to be even-handed.

I also have personal experience with reviewers in such magazines. A number
of years ago, I had a young woman working for me as a technical writer. Her
previous job was writing product reviews for PC Magazine. She wasn't a bad
writer, but she could barely spell *PC*, and I certainly wouldn't trust her
opinions on anything technical.
 
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Gerry Cornell

Detection rates.
--

Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
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Gerry Cornell

Ken

I am likewise cynical but most would not be expected to pan the three
market leaders. I have never seen you recommend Symantec or McAfee.



--

Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

Gerry said:
Ken

I am likewise cynical but most would not be expected to pan the three
market leaders. I have never seen you recommend Symantec or McAfee.


No, I used to recommend them years ago, but I haven't recommended either in
a long while. I don't know why they panned the market leaders, but I still
don't trust magazines.

To make another point against magazine rankings, different magazines rank in
different orders. PC World, for example, has McAfee second, just behind
BitDefender. Kaspersky, which your magazine has first, was third. See
http://www.pcworld.com/article/124475-1/article.html

And PC Magazine ranks (or at least recently did rank) Norton as best of them
all.

The magazines all have different opinions. They can't all be right Which
should be believed? My answer--none of them. I don't trust any of them.
 
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Daniel Stapleton

You should keep both, One of the easiest ways to free up the ram is to run msconfig and disable spysweeper on start up. Remember this is one of the most powerful programs ever made for anti-spyware. It will kill almost anything. Not long ago the 2 systems didnt blend together, but MSN somehow figured to blend the 2 together recently and so far so good. I'm running xp with mcafee, RUBotted,MSE, & Spy Sweeper on MSN. They are all blending seemlesly together so far.
It's not always what you do, but how you do it.
 
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Y. Soserious

You HoopleHead Eggheader: Do you think the OP is coming back to see a reply
to his post from 2007?
 

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