SP4 Hosed our PC Big Time !!! - Help ???

[Bills gonna pay !!!]

SP4 hosed our Biz PC big time.

Dollar Bill is gonna wish he never went into the consumer
fraud Biz!

After having spent two weeks installing/uninstalling W2K
SP4 and running recovery routines, and re-installing SP3,
I can document that SP4 is a piece of sh*t that FUBARS
your PC beyond repair !!!

At this moment I need to know if there is some fugging IE
6 setting that prevents web downloads like Norton/Symantec
security updates, PDF files, etc. from being downloaded???
After installing SP4 I can no longer download from the web
yet I can open websites without normal IE problems. If I
uninstall SP4 and go to SP3 I **CAN** download from the
Web without problems but SP4 corrupted the RAS so I can't
get a dial-up now and I've found no way to repair the
corrupted mess SP4 has created...

Without exaggeration, this SP4 fug-up has cost me $20,000
in the past two weeks and I damned well plan on holding MS
accountable for this and all other losses associated with
THERI FUGGING CRAP SOFTWARE !!!

Any help on this abortion aka W2K appreciated !!!

You can bet you azz that I will be switching to Linux very
shortly and MS can stick their crap where the Sun don't
shine !!!

NEVER agin will we be tortured like this as a result of a
MS "Critical security update" and then not even be able to
contact those idiots via e-mail for support!!!
..

 

[qc_metal]

I have over 1000 PCs on our network with SP4, sounds like there might be an
underlying problem with your PC. But that's only a guess.

I'm not defending Bill, but honestly, don't you think you'd hear more
accounts like the one you speak of if SP4 was truly crap?

In any case, get yourself a software that serves as an Internet filter and
start blocking WindowsUpdate addresses.

Rob

 

[Guest]

Guys,

This ain't my first day on the job...

I've been dealing with Microsuck's for (15) years. If you
check the MS Knowledgebase you'll find boat loads of
problems with SP4 that MICROSUCKS ADMITS TOO. Can you
imagine how many they DON'T admit too???

I'm so happy for all you folks who have thousands of
machines that run great. The reality is MICROSUCK'S admits
that SP4 hasmajor problems and countless numbers of people
I know around the globe have confirmed this. If it was
just me why the Hell are there so many other folks who
have problems with SP4 ???? Why do many O/S websites
specifically recommend AGAINST installing SP4????

People it's time to get real here.

For the record I had blocking software before most people
knew what Windows was. That isn't the solution. It also is
not a hardware issue because I can download just fine with
SP3, but SP4 hoses the downloads.

Please folks, try to provide **solutions** not opinions on
the merits of WINDOZE as it has none !

Thanks you.

 

[Robert Moir]

Guys,

This ain't my first day on the job...

I've been dealing with Microsuck's for (15) years. If you
check the MS Knowledgebase you'll find boat loads of
problems with SP4 that MICROSUCKS ADMITS TOO. Can you
imagine how many they DON'T admit too???

I'm so happy for all you folks who have thousands of
machines that run great. The reality is MICROSUCK'S admits
that SP4 hasmajor problems and countless numbers of people
I know around the globe have confirmed this. If it was
just me why the Hell are there so many other folks who
have problems with SP4 ???? Why do many O/S websites
specifically recommend AGAINST installing SP4????

People it's time to get real here.

For the record I had blocking software before most people
knew what Windows was. That isn't the solution. It also is
not a hardware issue because I can download just fine with
SP3, but SP4 hoses the downloads.

Please folks, try to provide **solutions** not opinions on
the merits of WINDOZE as it has none !

Its clearly a waste of time trying to work through the problem with you as
you've clearly decided that you know all the answers, and you've been
blocking your software before the rest of us even knew what windows was or
something silly like that so there is nothing any of us can possibly help a
guru like you with anyway.

If you hate "Windoze" that much and just want to shout your mouth off at the
volunteers in this newsgroup then I've got a solution for you right here:
www.linux.org

Enjoy!
--
--
Rob Moir, Microsoft MVP for servers & security
Website - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk
Virtual PC 2004 FAQ - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk/win/VirtualPC2004FAQ.html

Kazaa - Software update services for your Viruses and Spyware.

 

[qc_metal]

Guys,

This ain't my first day on the job...

I've been dealing with Microsuck's for (15) years. If you
check the MS Knowledgebase you'll find boat loads of
problems with SP4 that MICROSUCKS ADMITS TOO. Can you
imagine how many they DON'T admit too???

Forgive me if I say that you don't sound like a 15-year PC troubleshooting
veteran. If you hate MS that much, then perhaps you are dealing with the
wrong OS.

Yes, I've seen Technet - there are ALWAYS problems with anything that you
release, because you can't predict your target environment 100%. If you
could, then, well - we would be out of jobs.

What kind of PC do you have? Our environment uses nothing but Dells, and I
must say, we've been very happy with them (and our transition from SP3 to
4).

Have you tried just running a clean OS with SP3 and then update to SP4?

What does your target PC look like software-wise?

I'm so happy for all you folks who have thousands of
machines that run great. The reality is MICROSUCK'S admits
that SP4 hasmajor problems and countless numbers of people
I know around the globe have confirmed this. If it was
just me why the Hell are there so many other folks who
have problems with SP4 ???? Why do many O/S websites
specifically recommend AGAINST installing SP4????

Not to mention my network, but I know that the company I worked for
previously has also had no problems with SP4 (over 5,000 machines).

OK, so give us some examples - some websites, etc.? I've never heard of
anyone telling me not to upgrade...

People it's time to get real here.

(flips switch from "fake" to "real")

For the record I had blocking software before most people
knew what Windows was. That isn't the solution. It also is
not a hardware issue because I can download just fine with
SP3, but SP4 hoses the downloads.

What blocking software?

You asked for some way of keeping your PCs from pulling SP4, and I offered a
way of doing it (so, an actual suggestion, which you exclaimed that I
lacked).

How does it "hose" downloads? Can you explain in technical terms? Define
"hose."

Please folks, try to provide **solutions** not opinions on
the merits of WINDOZE as it has none !

Ah, and using terms as "Windoze" and "Microsucks" isn't an opinion? Fine -
so I would ask you that you should TRY to provide technical descriptions of
your problems rather than the cliche obligatory Microsoft bashing so we can
truly help you (well, with your PC anyway).

If you've worked on PCs for 15 years, I would expect that you have some
decent troubleshooting skills that can help bring some problems to light.

Might I suggest:

Event Log entries
Error messages (verbatim)
My earlier suggestion about a clean SP3 system
Other tests that you have performed

Can you give us:

Computer Manufacturer
Hardware Specs
Installed Software
History of PC (yours or a users? - - AntiVirus installed?)

Thanks you.

Yes, Thanks you too.

 

[Michael D. Ober]

We'll wait until Linux has enough market share to bring it on the radar of
the virus and trojan writers. Your problems sound like a misconfigured
system combined with one of the newer viruses that prevent access to common
AV update sites.


Interesting that you are sitting behind an "anonymous" address and
threatening another individual. COWARD!!!

SP4 hosed our Biz PC big time.

Dollar Bill is gonna wish he never went into the consumer
fraud Biz!

After having spent two weeks installing/uninstalling W2K
SP4 and running recovery routines, and re-installing SP3,
I can document that SP4 is a piece of sh*t that FUBARS
your PC beyond repair !!!

At this moment I need to know if there is some fugging IE
6 setting that prevents web downloads like Norton/Symantec
security updates, PDF files, etc. from being downloaded???
After installing SP4 I can no longer download from the web
yet I can open websites without normal IE problems. If I
uninstall SP4 and go to SP3 I **CAN** download from the
Web without problems but SP4 corrupted the RAS so I can't
get a dial-up now and I've found no way to repair the
corrupted mess SP4 has created...

Without exaggeration, this SP4 fug-up has cost me $20,000
in the past two weeks and I damned well plan on holding MS
accountable for this and all other losses associated with
THERI FUGGING CRAP SOFTWARE !!!

Any help on this abortion aka W2K appreciated !!!

In your case, the problem is MENTAL; not software.

You can bet you azz that I will be switching to Linux very
shortly and MS can stick their crap where the Sun don't
shine !!!

Go ahead - I stand by my assesrtations that linux is less secure than
Windows. It just doesn't have the market penetration needed to attract the
idiots who write viruses.

NEVER agin will we be tortured like this as a result of a
MS "Critical security update" and then not even be able to
contact those idiots via e-mail for support!!!
.

Mike Ober.

 

[Jeff Cochran]

After having spent two weeks installing/uninstalling W2K
SP4 and running recovery routines, and re-installing SP3,
I can document that SP4 is a piece of sh*t that FUBARS
your PC beyond repair !!!

That documentation might helps us fix your specific issues, if you can
provide it.

At this moment I need to know if there is some fugging IE
6 setting that prevents web downloads like Norton/Symantec
security updates, PDF files, etc. from being downloaded???

Possibly. What specific symptoms and errors are you seeing?

After installing SP4 I can no longer download from the web
yet I can open websites without normal IE problems. If I
uninstall SP4 and go to SP3 I **CAN** download from the
Web without problems but SP4 corrupted the RAS so I can't
get a dial-up now and I've found no way to repair the
corrupted mess SP4 has created...

Okay, this is different. RAS is "corrupted" or you "can't download
secuirty updates"?

Without exaggeration, this SP4 fug-up has cost me $20,000
in the past two weeks and I damned well plan on holding MS
accountable for this and all other losses associated with
THERI FUGGING CRAP SOFTWARE !!!

$10,000 a week and you didn't call and open an incident? Especially
when if it's truly a bug you aren't even charged the support call?

Any help on this abortion aka W2K appreciated !!!

Can't help much without some specifics, sorry. Provide error
messages, event log entries and a list of changes you made to the
system in addition to installing and uninstalling the service pack.

You can bet you azz that I will be switching to Linux very
shortly and MS can stick their crap where the Sun don't
shine !!!

We both know you aren't actually carrying through on this. If you
were, you could have siwtched during the two weeks you were bleeding
money. For a couple days' worth of your loss you could have
overnighted a completely configured Linuz system.

NEVER agin will we be tortured like this as a result of a
MS "Critical security update" and then not even be able to
contact those idiots via e-mail for support!!!

Pick up the phone. At your rate, assuming your business ran 24x7, you
lost $60 an hour. You could have paid for most of the support
incident to resolve this with the money you lost between breakfast and
lunch.

And again, post the problem you're having. We may be able to point
you to a solution.

Jeff

 

[Jeff Cochran]

This ain't my first day on the job...

We know that. It's been at least two weeks you lost money for being
on the job.

I've been dealing with Microsuck's for (15) years. If you
check the MS Knowledgebase you'll find boat loads of
problems with SP4 that MICROSUCKS ADMITS TOO. Can you
imagine how many they DON'T admit too???

I'm so happy for all you folks who have thousands of
machines that run great. The reality is MICROSUCK'S admits
that SP4 hasmajor problems and countless numbers of people
I know around the globe have confirmed this. If it was
just me why the Hell are there so many other folks who
have problems with SP4 ???? Why do many O/S websites
specifically recommend AGAINST installing SP4????

People it's time to get real here.

It is for you at least. Stop ranting and whining and post a problem.
A specific problem.

For the record I had blocking software before most people
knew what Windows was. That isn't the solution. It also is
not a hardware issue because I can download just fine with
SP3, but SP4 hoses the downloads.

Please folks, try to provide **solutions** not opinions on
the merits of WINDOZE as it has none !

We are unable to provide a solution to your current unposted issue
other than to suggest you use the alternate software available. I'd
suggest RedHat with a support contract since your business has so much
to lose, and you may want to have a local consultant work with you on
migrating from Mirosft products to alternatives.

If you wish to remain with Microsoft products, you have two viable
options. You can post an intelligent description of your problem,
expected results and solutions you may have attempted and we can work
with you to find a working solution. You may also call Microsoft and
open a support incident. In either case, you'll need to lose the
attitude and work through your frustrations if you wish to accomplish
your goals.

Jeff

 

[Scott Harding - MS MVP]

Sheesh......

 

[Guest]

I don't agree with the way this was delivered, however SP4 does have numerous problems with the Hal layer of select p.c.'s as well as many security flaws. There even service problems with this service pack. All updates whether they are from Microsoft. Red Hat, Suse, and Sun have the potential to cause problems. That is why backups are performed prior to upgrading systems, so that a restore baseline can be established. The difference here is that Microsoft does not as a rule list requirements for the upgrades as carefully as either Red Hat or Suse. With Microsoft its one size fits all. And remember that since we don't have the code to alter, to correct problems with upgrades, fixing these issues, and awaiting the fix in the first place is a slow process. In the area of security that spells trouble
I am a CISSP and have been the business 15 years. No one system is better that the other. It alls depends on what the customer needs to accomplish. However Microsoft has and continues to make resolving these issues a hard process
We can accuse and blame every thing and everyone we can, but the truth is the truth. Microsoft is finding that one out the hard way