SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

[Steve]

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with
windows security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as
generic as possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the
dumb, !@#$!@ windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible
from outside the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random
port -- it has no significance by the way) to be accessed from outside
the network. I then switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently"
firewalled my computer WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of
this, INTERNET EXPLORER started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a
site, I have to refresh bloody ten times to get it to display the page.
Most of the times I get the "Page cannot be displayed - check your
connection" error and God knows what else. I'm tired of this.. I've
uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my computer becomes USABLE again.
DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing about computers and all you
do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!

 

[luminos]

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before I
installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had McAfee
Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with windows
security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as generic as
possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the dumb, !@#$!@
windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible from outside
the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random port -- it has no
significance by the way) to be accessed from outside the network. I then
switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently" firewalled my computer
WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of this, INTERNET EXPLORER
started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a site, I have to refresh
bloody ten times to get it to display the page. Most of the times I get the
"Page cannot be displayed - check your connection" error and God knows what
else. I'm tired of this.. I've uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my
computer becomes USABLE again. DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing
about computers and all you do on your desktop is check emails and use
MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!

I know more than you about computers, and you need to calm down. You sound
like a raving idiot.

 

[Plato]

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with

Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.

 

[Alias]

Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.

How many non techies do? Not many. How many non techies are there who use XP
compared to techies? A million to one? MS should have provided step by step
instructions on ONE web site. They should have had a link to it on WU with
the recommendation that one print it. But what do they do? The recommend AU
and, surprise, surprise, non techies have problems.

On the bright side, it will give the techies lots of work.

Alias

 

[NoNoBadDog!]

MS could have done all that, and it would have been completely ignored.
Most of the people who are having issues are the kind of folks that don't
read the installation instructions, website precaution statements, etc.
They do not know how to, or are too lazy to keep their system running
properly. If they put as much energy into troubleshooting as they do in
blaming and flaming MS, they would have fixed their problems.

Bobby

 

[Alias]

MS could have done all that, and it would have been completely ignored.

I wouldn't have ignored it and I think I am not alone. So far, to get the
true picture, you need to go to over 20 MS web sites and read countless
messages on these two newsgroups.

Most of the people who are having issues are the kind of folks that don't
read the installation instructions, website precaution statements, etc.

Of course, most people are not techies like I said. Most people want to --
of all things -- *use* their computer, not maintain, configure and
troubleshoot it. What "installation instructions"? Most people get one
instruction: enable AU.

They do not know how to,

Like I said, most people who own computers are not techies and, you're
right, they don't know how. MS should have provided ONE web site with
instructions.

or are too lazy to keep their system running
properly. If they put as much energy into troubleshooting as they do in
blaming and flaming MS, they would have fixed their problems.

Bobby

Do you think that one has a computer so one can have the pleasure of
troubleshooting or do you think one has a computer to *use* it?

Alias

 

[johnf]

I find it odd that Steve is "Techie" enough to frequent MS NGs & even knows
how to cross-post, but apparently hasn't bothered reading any SP2 related
posts.

 

[RoseW]

Re: Like I said, most people who own computers are not techies and, you're
right, they don't know how. MS should have provided ONE web site with
instructions.
Most people want to -- of all things -- *use* their computer, not maintain,
configure and troubleshoot it. What "installation instructions"? Most people
get one
instruction: enable AU.

Until Sp2 the routine of Automatic Update has been the style...and those who
'use' their computer may have faithfully followed along -or not. In order to
have many computers using systems out there the emphasis went to 'make it
simple...and attractive' so Windows evolved and many computers sold.
I would venture that a large percentage of users now do not have a
background of using in DOS with the flashing cursor waiting for a command
and then discovering the start up menus that could be made. So now its click
an icon and its not much different than the current vehicles. Vehicles are
created that its practically necessary to go to a service for an oil change
since there is barely room to get under the car without a bunch of
paraphernalia to change the oil (that's from experience) Even service
centres require a computer set up in order to analyse or diagnose the
vehicle.
Thinking ahead and systematically solving a computer or vehicle problem is
not the populace way of operating, I think the condition that people 'are
not techies and don't know how' is likely true but its an 'industry created
condition'
I agree an instruction with detailed steps would have been a plus but how is
that possible with Automatic Update?
There is a good step by step instruction at
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm
I followed those instructions and downloaded the big file saved to disk and
the preparation and installation took the most part of a day. The
installation and follow-up has had no problems but I thought the security
panel set up was a bit unclear. It was not totally obvious about declaring
that a firewall and antivirus (unrecognized by name but noted by Sp2) would
be managed by myself.
Rose

 

[Gregg Cattanach]

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before I
installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had McAfee
Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with windows
security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as generic as
possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the dumb, !@#$!@
windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible from outside
the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random port -- it has no
significance by the way) to be accessed from outside the network. I then
switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently" firewalled my computer
WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of this, INTERNET EXPLORER
started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a site, I have to refresh
bloody ten times to get it to display the page. Most of the times I get the
"Page cannot be displayed - check your connection" error and God knows what
else. I'm tired of this.. I've uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my
computer becomes USABLE again. DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing
about computers and all you do on your desktop is check emails and use
MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

SP2 has worked perfectly for me and for 10s of thousands of other users. I
gather you failed to read that your anti-virus should be OFF when you
install SP2. You act like your experience was based on how SP2 was written,
not on your sloppy installation method.

 

[Alias]

SP2 has worked perfectly for me and for 10s of thousands of other users.

I doubt very seriously that you have contacted "10s of thousands of other
users".

I gather you failed to read that your anti-virus should be OFF when you
install SP2. You act like your experience was based on how SP2 was written,
not on your sloppy installation method.

The only instruction from MS is activate AU. Nothing about AVs, programs
running in the background, etc. This is irresponsible. Period. Your
patronizing and denigrating attitude towards non-techies is not warranted.

Alias

 

[Mike H]

It is generally accepted that a/v should be disabled when installing
programs, even though it it not always necessary so to do..

 

[Alias]

It is generally accepted that a/v should be disabled when installing
programs, even though it it not always necessary so to do..

It is generally accepted by techies but not your average user and that's not
the only preparation that one needs to do. MS only advised to enable AU
which is irresponsible and the cause for many problems.

On the Windows Update page, there should be a link saying READ THIS BEFORE
INSTALLING SP 2! and automatic update should have never been created in the
first place.

Alias

 

[joseph]

I totally agree. SP2 ruined my computer and everything it does. Thank
God I was able to get system restore to work. I will keep my Zone
Alarm firewall and AVG ant-virus and forget about SP2. Too risky at
this point in time. I will wait until all of the bugs are fixed.

 

[Duane Bozarth]

...I will wait until all of the bugs are fixed.

That's likely to be a <long> wait!

 

[Chuck]

How many non techies do? Not many. How many non techies are there who use XP
compared to techies? A million to one? MS should have provided step by step
instructions on ONE web site. They should have had a link to it on WU with
the recommendation that one print it. But what do they do? The recommend AU
and, surprise, surprise, non techies have problems.

On the bright side, it will give the techies lots of work.

Microsoft. Restoring jobs in the tech industry. One computer at a time.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Chuck]

Do you think that one has a computer so one can have the pleasure of
troubleshooting or do you think one has a computer to *use* it?

My mother fusses at me for using HER time, when I try to walk her thru fixing
problems on HER computer, in MY spare time (she's 2000 miles away thank
heavens).

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Chuck]

I totally agree. SP2 ruined my computer and everything it does. Thank
God I was able to get system restore to work. I will keep my Zone
Alarm firewall and AVG ant-virus and forget about SP2. Too risky at
this point in time. I will wait until all of the bugs are fixed.

Don't hold your breath. Folks like you help Microsoft keep the tech industry
(and the spam industry) in business.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Don Taylor]

MS could have done all that, and it would have been completely ignored.

Or MS could have checked running processes on the machine for known ones
from large companies that they already knew were going to cause problems,
had decided they weren't going to have the installation made compatible
with, and shut them down. They had months to figure this out.

Most of the people who are having issues are the kind of folks that don't
read the installation instructions, website precaution statements, etc.
They do not know how to, or are too lazy to keep their system running
properly. If they put as much energy into troubleshooting as they do in
blaming and flaming MS, they would have fixed their problems.

Ok, I'm sitting here happy to put energy into troubleshooting, Windows
Explorer simply refuses to accept any keystrokes or mouse clicks, can't
select a file in recycle bin, can't select an item in control panel,
can't select a file in an open folder. Have diagnosed that it does not
happen if the system is running in safe mode. Appear to have no other
problems with SP2, thankful for that. Have read hundreds of these
supposed "fixes" and "reasons" that the upgrade didn't work. None of
them apply, don't have Divx, don't have any printer connected, have
all the latest drivers, don't have Zone Alarm, don't have any of the
other "bad" programs, I've even defragged the system, just because some
people somehow think that has anything to do with anything... now tell
me why my energy I've put in for the last three days trying to find a
solution for this hasn't worked?

There are those in the newsgroup with generic good advice, like get rid
of viruses, who could disagree with that, but who I'll bet serious cash
have no evidence that this is the actual source of any of the problems.

There are those in the newsgroup with pointless superstition, like "for
god's sake, just defrag a few more times and maybe a miracle will occur"
but I'll bet serious cash have no evidence that this is the actual source
of any of the problems.

There are a tiny tiny handful of items that actually appear like they
might really address a real problem related to SP2.

And then there are the smart-asses in this group who think it is all
the user's fault and there are no problems with SP2 and if you are
having a problem then you are just too stupid to be a Microsoft customer.
To those I recommend you tell Microsoft buy a series of television
commercials saying "If you had a problem you are too stupid to be
our customer, we don't want you or your money." I imagine Microsoft
will be happy to convey your conclusion to their customers.

 

[Michael]

Get a grip do you fill your car with gas with the engine running.

 

[Alias]

Get a grip do you fill your car with gas with the engine running.

I don't own a car and don't plan to own one. Your analogy is ridiculous.

Alias