SP2 removal.

[Guest]

I tried posting about my SP2 and FS 2004 problem on avsim, and all I get is
"SP2 security will not allow posts...cookie error" I never had any headaches
with XP, FS2004, or any internet applications before SP2

How do I remove SP2...this was not a downloaded update, this came as part of
the new installation CD.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

SP2 cannot be removed if its already integrated into your Windows XP CD.

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| I tried posting about my SP2 and FS 2004 problem on avsim, and all I get is
| "SP2 security will not allow posts...cookie error" I never had any headaches
| with XP, FS2004, or any internet applications before SP2
|
| How do I remove SP2...this was not a downloaded update, this came as part of
| the new installation CD.

 

[Guest]

Great....So, no more flightsim, or anything....why did I even bother.

 

[Shenan Stanley]

I tried posting about my SP2 and FS 2004 problem on avsim, and all I
get is "SP2 security will not allow posts...cookie error" I never had
any headaches with XP, FS2004, or any internet applications before SP2

How do I remove SP2...this was not a downloaded update, this came as
part of the new installation CD.

SP2 cannot be removed if its already integrated into your Windows XP
CD.

Great....So, no more flightsim, or anything....why did I even bother.

Bother doing what? It sounds like something is wrong with your
installation.. If you performed a fresh installation of Windows XP - which
is what is inferred - did you then go through and update all drivers and
such from the hardware manufacturers?

Did you download and install all patches after SP2 from
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/?

Did you check here for troubleshooting the FS2004 issues?
http://support.microsoft.com/flightsim2004faq

Did you try setting up Outlook Express to view and post to the newsgroups
instead of the Web Interface?

Did you try modifying the security settings for Windows XP and/or Internet
Explorer?

 

[Jone Doe]

I tried posting about my SP2 and FS 2004 problem on avsim, and all I get is
"SP2 security will not allow posts...cookie error" I never had any
headaches
with XP, FS2004, or any internet applications before SP2

How do I remove SP2...this was not a downloaded update, this came as part
of
the new installation CD.

You don't. Nor should you. SP2 is an upgrade to an operating system that
works quite well in every machine it is put on that did NOT have problems
before it was installed. So, my suggestions are to lose the CDO method you
are using to post here, and use a real newsreader, then post your error
message(s) and get whatever is wrong fixed.

 

[Guest]

I second that, SP2 is must and is not the root of the problem.

I have a question that is a little off topic. What is the problem with the
CDO method of posting? Why do people have a problem with users posting this
way? Someone who I guess was about 12 in Canada left a belligerant comment
on my website because I posted my replies using CDO. I use web interfaces
for as many apps as I can. Also how can you tell that I am using the web
interface?

 

[Bruce Hagen]

We can tell from your header properties:

X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000

If you post using OE, we can tell if you have all relevant updates to your
computer. An up-to-date XP would show:

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670

Which we cannot see if you post through the Web Interface. Makes things much
easier for us, and the poster.

 

[kurttrail]

I second that, SP2 is must and is not the root of the problem.

I have a question that is a little off topic. What is the problem
with the CDO method of posting?

It sucks, and so do the people that use it.

Why do people have a problem with
users posting this way?

Because this is really a newsgroup, not a web forum.

Someone who I guess was about 12 in Canada
left a belligerant comment on my website because I posted my replies
using CDO. I use web interfaces for as many apps as I can. Also how
can you tell that I am using the web interface?

If you knew how to use a newsreader you would know.


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[Guest]

This is exactly what I am talking about. This newsgroup has really taken a
turn for the worse. Are you the same person who posted that rude comment on
my website? Why do you even bother posting here if you can't be decent.
Nobody wants to hear what you have to say if you are going to be rude. In
that case you are just wasting your time.

I use web interfaces for as many apps as I possibly can. I also extensively
use online subscription based software for my business. If I must use
desktop apps then I don't generally use Microsoft products. I use Firefox as
a browser and if I must use an email/newsgroup client I use Thunderbird. The
only reason I even use Windows and post to this newsgroup is because I did
tech support for XP for three years and want to keep up with it.

In any case I have little respect for your opinion if you do not understand
that technology is all about enabling choice. This newsgroup is a place to
get answers to your questions from people that are willing to help. An
elitist attitude has no place here.

 

[Jone Doe]

*IF* you are that thin skinned, there is an easy answer. GET OUT.

 

[kurttrail]

This is exactly what I am talking about. This newsgroup has really
taken a turn for the worse.

I've been posting here since 2001. If anything, it is more likely you
that it is you dragging the newsgroup down.

Are you the same person who posted that
rude comment on my website?

Didn't you say the person was a Canadian?

Why do you even bother posting here if
you can't be decent.

I've have clothes on.

Nobody wants to hear what you have to say if you
are going to be rude.

You "hear" me? Sure that isn't the voices in your head? And where the
hell you get off thinking you are talking for anyone other than
yourself? Quite a few people have told me that they enjoy reading what
I have to say.

And "rudeness" is in the eye of the beholder. I'm blunt. You may
perceive that as being rude, and that would be your problem.

In that case you are just wasting your time.

My time.

I use web interfaces for as many apps as I possibly can.

Repeating yourself. Who give a flying f*#k about what you use. Another
software manufacturers boards aren't on the USENET, however these
Microsoft NGs are, and the web interface is the cause of many problems.

I also
extensively use online subscription based software for my business.

You're problem.

If I must use desktop apps then I don't generally use Microsoft
products. I use Firefox as a browser and if I must use an
email/newsgroup client I use Thunderbird. The only reason I even use
Windows and post to this newsgroup is because I did tech support for
XP for three years and want to keep up with it.
Yawn!

In any case I have little respect for your opinion if you do not
understand that technology is all about enabling choice.

Yeah, I understand that, but I don't respect those that use the CDO
interface over a proper newsreader. That is MY CHOICE!

I respect your right to make your own choice, but I don't respect YOU
for the choice you made.

This
newsgroup is a place to get answers to your questions from people
that are willing to help.

And I'm willing to help those that are willing to help themselves.

An elitist attitude has no place here.

Obviously, you know nothing about the USENET! This is exactly the place
to have an elitist attitude!

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Try these newsgroups as well:
microsoft.public.simulators
microsoft.public.games.zone.simulation

 

[Guest]

Well every newsgroups has it's trolls and we can't help that. I will toss
your post in the garbage bin along with all the other internet trash and
spam. Posting to a newsgroup since 2001 obviously has not done any good for
your character. I worked for Microsoft supporting Windows XP since it
launched and have fixed thousands of problems. Not once did I ever come
close to approaching the trash talk you have displayed in this newsgroup. I
am sure plenty of people are greatful when you are helpful. Basically you
just came in and posted that I am stupid for using a web interface and nobody
is greatful for that type of behavior. You did not explain the problems with
the web interface. You did not give me any technical advice. You just posted
a worthless three liner for the trash bin.

 

[Ken Blake]

In

I second that, SP2 is must and is not the root of the problem.

I have a question that is a little off topic. What is the
problem
with the CDO method of posting? Why do people have a problem
with
users posting this way?

Speaking for myself, I don't have a problem with your
participating in the newsgroup any way you want to. But as far as
I'm concerned, it's the slowest, clunkiest, most error-prone
method there is, and you handicap yourself by doing so. Do
yourself a favor and switch to a newsreader, such as Outlook
Express, which comes with Windows.
See http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

Many people who use CDO have trouble finding replies to their
messages. It's slow because it gets messages one at a time,
instead of all at once the way a newsreader would. It doesn't
have the filtering, organizing, and spell-checking facilities
that a newsreader has.

Someone who I guess was about 12 in Canada
left a belligerant comment on my website because I posted my
replies
using CDO. I use web interfaces for as many apps as I can.

Your choice of course, but I strongly recommend that you try a
newsreader instead. It will make your life much easier.

Also how
can you tell that I am using the web interface?

It's in the header of your message: X-Newsreader: Microsoft CDO
for Windows 2000

 

[Guest]

Ken thanks for taking the time on your great reply. That is all that I was
asking for. This is a valuable opinion from someone who has obviously earned
the right of Microsoft MVP as opposed to newsgroup troll trash.

What makes the internet great is the converstations that this great
invention enables. Those conversations break down when you become offensive.
Kurt, I checked out your website and read your blog. You seem like a great
guy, I just wish we could tone down our little spat and have a reasonable
discussion on this.

Maybe we could post our opinions on our blogs and discuss this in comments.
In any case I will go ahead and apologize for hijacking this thread and for
my ranting. I was angry that someone attacked me and posted profanities on
my website over such a silly thing and almost immediately after I got more
grief in this thread. That does not make for a friendly support environment.

As a side note Kurt you are right. I have not participated in many public
newsgroups because when I was doing support we used the internal MS Knowledge
Base which is a gold mine of information. If you could not find an answer
there, good luck. Also about the time that I started doing support we had
Google groups to help us out. When Google newsgroup search hit the scenes we
had a great way of searching newsgroups without having to subscribe to them.
This is what got me started on using a web interface to access news groups.
I have also been using web based clients for email for as long as I have been
using email. IMO web based interfaces are the future and I use them whenever
possible. I would even go further to say that I would like to see the day
where my computer can be a thin client to an online subscription based OS.

I will go ahead and setup my access to the newsgroup in OE. Thanks again
for the great reply Ken.

-- http://www.americantechie.com

 

[HeyBub]

This is exactly what I am talking about. This newsgroup has really
taken a turn for the worse. Are you the same person who posted that
rude comment on my website? Why do you even bother posting here if
you can't be decent. Nobody wants to hear what you have to say if you
are going to be rude. In that case you are just wasting your time.

I use web interfaces for as many apps as I possibly can. I also
extensively use online subscription based software for my business.
If I must use desktop apps then I don't generally use Microsoft
products. I use Firefox as a browser and if I must use an
email/newsgroup client I use Thunderbird. The only reason I even use
Windows and post to this newsgroup is because I did tech support for
XP for three years and want to keep up with it.

You use web-based tools whenever you can. You use Firefox and Thunderbird.
Did it ever occur to you that you may be the one that's out of step with the
civilized world?

You are simply ASKING that your warranty be voided.

 

[americantechie]

I suppose this also means you guys frown against subscribing and
posting to this group via Google Groups...

 

[Jone Doe]

I suppose this also means you guys frown against subscribing and
posting to this group via Google Groups...

Is there some reason you came into our house and put your feet up on the
coffee table?

 

[Shenan Stanley]

I suppose this also means you guys frown against subscribing and
posting to this group via Google Groups...

Try not to group anyone in these newsgroups into a pile. Their opinions and
experiences are as diverse as your own. Where some are bothered by posting
through the Web Interface - some are not. Where some are concerned with
cross-posting versus multi-posting, others are not. Where some are
vehemently against top-posting, many are as passionate about bottom posting.

All the people on these newsgroups can do are give you their facts for or
against something as obscure as those topics.. Their experiences which may
(or may not) have led them to a conclusion. What you do with those opinions
and facts should be done in the same way their experiences led them to their
conclusions - on your own and what is best for you.

Now - that cannot always be said for some of the actual technical advice
given out - although there is almost always 2+ ways to do anything when it
comes to computing. hah

Do what makes you happy and makes your life bearable. Form your own
opinions on the Web Interface and Google Groups and so on. I prefer a few
different newsreaders and personally do not like the Web Interface as it
just doesn't give me the control I want. But for someone posting a couple
of questions and waiting for an answer or two - they did not likely start
with the question of "How do I get this setup in my newsreader?" since they
might not even know what that is yet. heh

 

[americantechie]

What warranty would that be?

The question of Firefox and Thunderbird is a totally different
discussion. Both are not as popular as IE so maybe this does put me
out of step with the civilized world. Is there anything wrong with
that? Microsoft adopts much technology and features that are offered
by competitors. We need those competitors to keep Microsoft from
getting too comfortable.

Maybe when IE 7 ships I will go back. Until then I am more comfortable
with a browser that adheres much better to web standards, has tabbed
browsing, and is much more resistant to to spyware. Honestly the only
one that I really care about of the above is tabbed browsing.