someone fill me in - VS Express Editions

J

James

http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/

I've just seen the ad and the download page.

1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version of
Visual Studio?

2) can you install all the express editions on the same computer?

I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support this
with intellisense... which, well, makes me want to jump up and down :).
However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net projects
and used visual studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to guess I'd
say there is likely no visual source safe support, which is fine with me,
but what else don't you get?

I'm going to start the dvd iso download now. I'm actually in the middle of a
scripting project right now and I'm using notepad++. Anyone care to share
the bottom line on these express editions?
 
K

Keith G Hicks

You might also find some limitations with 3rd party tools. I use VWD Express
and cannot use reports from a certain 3rd party company. This information is
not going to be documented specifically in the Microsoft web sites.
 
J

JDeats

http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/

I've just seen the ad and the download page.

1) what are you missing if you use these as opposed to full version of
Visual Studio?

2) can you install all the express editions on the same computer?

I mostly do wsh scripting and I'm assuming the vb edition will support this
with intellisense... which, well, makes me want to jump up and down :).
However I do also occasionally do some vb.net/asp.net/csharp.net projects
and used visual studio 2005 at a previous employer. If I had to guess I'd
say there is likely no visual source safe support, which is fine with me,
but what else don't you get?

I'm going to start the dvd iso download now. I'm actually in the middle of a
scripting project right now and I'm using notepad++. Anyone care to share
the bottom line on these express editions?
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They have different license agreements which you may want to look
into, but essentially it boils down to: Express editions are idea for:
students, hobbyist, special case development scenarios (XNA Game
Studio is the only example of this). Professional and Enterprise
editions are going to be appropriate (and the only legal option) for
most Microsoft development scenarios.
 
C

Chris Dunaway

Studio is the only example of this). Professional and Enterprise
editions are going to be appropriate (and the only legal option) for
most Microsoft development scenarios.
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What do you mean by "the only legal option")? There are no legal
restrictions on any programs you create with the Express editions.
You can sell them, rent them, or give them away at your discretion.

Chris
 
J

JDeats

What do you mean by "the only legal option")? There are no legal
restrictions on any programs you create with the Express editions.
You can sell them, rent them, or give them away at your discretion.

Chris
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There have been cases were third-party component developers got into
legal trouble with Microsoft by trying to support Visual C# Express,
apparently Microsoft has a pretty strict policy on allowing third-
party controls not being allowed (see reference on testdriven.net
below). Witht he ability to only connect to SQL Server Express edition
and crippled debugging features, Express editions are a poor choice
for enterprise development because of their lack of integration
features and probably a poor choice for most professional development
scenarios in general. When I said "the only legal option" I was
refering to steps a developer might take to circumvent these
limitations to make the product more featured which would put them in
violation of the license agreement (see testdriven.net case).

I'm not aware of any legal constraint that would stop someone from
selling their Visual C# Express creations or even using Visual C#
Express for Professional I just don't see it being practical in the
later

Reference:
http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe/archive/2007/05/31/visual-studio-express-and-testdriven-net.aspx
 
J

JDeats

In regard to the question "Can you install multiple express editions
on the same system", the answer is Yes.
 
J

Juan T. Llibre

re:
!> You might also find some limitations with 3rd party tools

Not "some", but "all".

There's *no* support for addins in the Express editions.
The EULA clearly says so.

re:
!> This information is not going to be documented specifically in the Microsoft web sites

Again, the Express Editions' EULA clearly says so.




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J

James

well, it is cool that you can develop .net apps without having to buy VS but
my exitement is gone after downloading, installing, and seeing no support
for intellisense when creating/editing WSH files. Thats what I was looking
for.

bummer.

thanks for all the input anyway!
 
J

Juan T. Llibre

re:
!> it is cool that you can develop .net apps without having to buy VS but my exitement is gone
!> after downloading, installing, and seeing no support for intellisense when creating/editing WSH files.

Why would you think that a web development tool would have support for WSH files ?

re:
!> Thats what I was looking for

That's what you were *mistakenly* looking for.
Web development has nothing to do with WSH.




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J

James

who said I was speaking *only* of the web development version? I know web
development has nothing to do with WSH, I never said or implied it did.
There is also a vb specific version (non web specific), with which there
*is* a builtin template for a WSH file. But as I said, I'm disappointed
there is no intellisense for vbscript + wsh. Maybe I'm missing a setting or
something. There is of course intellisense for vb.net project files.

intellisense for writting WSH files (.vbs or .wsf) would be awesome.

Anyway, I appreciate the post with link to product comparison, which did
ultimately lead me to finding the current one, which is:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/products/cc149003.aspx

I still think its great there are these free versions of VS. I didn't
realize they existed.
 
A

Arne Vajhøj

well, it is cool that you can develop .net apps without having to buy VS but
my exitement is gone after downloading, installing, and seeing no support
for intellisense when creating/editing WSH files. Thats what I was looking
for.

bummer.
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VBS is reasonable close to VB6.

But it has very little to do with VB.NET, so it should
not come as s surprise that the VBS support in a VB.NET IDE
is very limited.

Arne
 
A

Arne Vajhøj

Juan said:
re:
!> it is cool that you can develop .net apps without having to buy VS but my exitement is gone
!> after downloading, installing, and seeing no support for intellisense when creating/editing WSH files.

Why would you think that a web development tool would have support for WSH files ?

re:
!> Thats what I was looking for

That's what you were *mistakenly* looking for.
Web development has nothing to do with WSH.
Click to expand...

VWD is a web development tool, but the rest of the editions are not
web centric.

And I do not recall him saying that is was VWD. And the VB.NET
seems a lot more likely.

Arne
 
J

Juan T. Llibre

re:
!> I do not recall him saying that is was VWD.

I misunderstood him to be referring to web apps.
He was actually talking about developing .net apps.

Sorry about the misunderstanding.




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J

James

ya, you are right. Hey MS, how about adding an 'Automation and Scripting'
Express edition? Just colorcode syntax, provide collapsable regions, line
numbers, and intellisense. That would be awesome.
 
K

Ken Halter

James said:
ya, you are right. Hey MS, how about adding an 'Automation and Scripting'
Express edition? Just colorcode syntax, provide collapsable regions, line
numbers, and intellisense. That would be awesome.
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Can't you simply add a reference (COM) to 'Microsoft Scripting Runtime'?
That'll give you intellisense and the rest. Not sure what kind of scripts
you're running....

'Then, you'd get to use syntax like....
Private moDictionary As Scripting.Dictionary

Once you create an instance, moDictionary(dot) will show its
methods/properties

Whatever the case, you're probably aware that a lot of people (network
admins, for sure) disable scripting support on their workstations.

btw... VB6'er here, just poking around the groups....
 

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