Software RAID-5 vs. Raid-0

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Nick

I am setting up a new Win2k server and I have 5 36Gb 15k SCSI drives. I was
thinking about setting up the drives using Software RAID-5. This is the
main file server for my company. We have about 75 users that will be using
this server. I did some test using both RAID-5 and RAID-0 and the RAID-0
was only a little faster. Is there any reason why I would not want to use
Software Raid-5? I have seen people say they would not use it, but they
never give specific reasons. And the I know I will lose 36Gb of space, but
that is not an issue at this time.

Thanks for the help

Karp13
 
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Nick

Just in case you want them here are the servers specs.

Dell Power Edge 600sc
P4 2.4 GHZ
512MB RAM
Adaptec 29160 SCSI adapter
Gigabit Ethernet
5 36Gb 15k SCSI drives -- 1 system -- 4 Data
 
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Tony Raider

Nick - USE RAID5...!!!

If you use RAID0, and one HDD fails, then you lose
EVERYTHING that was on those HDDs.

If you use RAID5, and one HDD fails, the Server can still
be used, albeit a bit slower. Then all it is to obtain
another replacement HDD, slap it back in, and rebuild the
RAID again.

The above latter option, I am sure you'll agree, is a far
quicker restoration option.
Remember, if 75 users cannot do any work for a whole day
because the RAID0 failed, then it's also 75 people's wages
for one day the company loses - ouch!

Cheers,
www.ittech.co.za
 
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Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]

Software RAID is a bad idea - hardware RAID is much more robust, and doesn't
place the resource load on the OS, as the software has no idea there's a
RAID. I would never build a server without hardware RAID unless it was a
little test box for a couple of users.
 
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Nick

Hardware raid is NOT an option for me. It took 2 weeks of reasoning for
them to let me buy 4 36Gb drives instead of 2. The people controlling the
money here are very NONE technical and would never go for it when I can set
it up for free with the OS.

My options are Software Raid-5 or Raid-0. And I agree with Tony.

The system is only a file server and a DC. I don't think that a system as
fast as this is going to have problems with resources.

Thanks for the quick answers


"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
 
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Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]

I share your pain. However, if it were me, I wouldn't do it at all,
then....generally, if you're running into obstacles like that, you're going
to get the same hassle when you want to buy those extravagant luxury devices
like UPSes and tape drives. Not worth it!

Your mileage may vary. Sometimes being a consultant is very nice....:)
Hardware raid is NOT an option for me. It took 2 weeks of reasoning
for them to let me buy 4 36Gb drives instead of 2. The people
controlling the money here are very NONE technical and would never go
for it when I can set it up for free with the OS.

My options are Software Raid-5 or Raid-0. And I agree with Tony.

The system is only a file server and a DC. I don't think that a
system as fast as this is going to have problems with resources.

Thanks for the quick answers


"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
Software RAID is a bad idea - hardware RAID is much more robust, and
doesn't place the resource load on the OS, as the software has no
idea there's a RAID. I would never build a server without hardware
RAID unless it was a little test box for a couple of users.
 
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alsdf

i agree with lanwench.

software raid is not something i'd feel good about. I personally would feel
more comfortable using each drive standalone & xcopying the data from one to
the other before i'd use software mirroring. At least with standalone
drives, you know that if it fails, everything's gone. You know you'll be in
trouble, so you're more likely to make sure you get those copies. With the
software raid, you have the illusion of security and are more likely to
slack off.

i've only encountered one company that ever was crazy enough to use Win2K's
builtin raid (they used raid1 -- mirroring), & it did not work. The entire
RAID failed, despite the drives being in perfect shape (they're back in use
today) and, since the disks were dynamic, the data wasn't recoverable by
hooking it up to a running system & viewing the drive (the case with
hardware raid1). Both Ontrack's Easy Recovery Pro & Winternals' Disk
Commander were useless.

in your case, it seems to me mgmt's position is this: our data is not worth
$300-400 (what a reliable hardware RAID controller will cost you from Dell).
It's called 'insurance,' a concept they might be more familiar with.

points against win2k's raid:
- it's probably the least-used feature of Win2K, so i don't think it's very
well tested
- the OS must be running for it to work; if it's not, i am fairly certain
you cannot simply reinstall a copy of the OS & get back up like with
hardware RAID. In this case, i believe you'll lose it forever.
- in the event of a software failure, you may find that there's no way to
get your data back

get the person who will not spring for the RAID adapter to put it in writing
that he/she thought it was unnecessary, despite being informed of the risks.
You will not get this. Make sure others in the office know you're doing it
only despite very serious misgivings.... heck, record conversations about
this. Managers generally will go out of their way to avoid being on record
for piss-poor decisions, which this definitely qualifies as. One of the
first things i ever learned in the real world was always to ask for verbal
requests like this in writing. Just say you think it's an unwise decision,
explain why, and say you're so uneasy with the decision that you'd like to
protect yourself. You might find they suddenly find the funds. ;)

Whoever controls the strings in this case needs to be held accountable when
your disaster occurs. Yes, i mean 'when,' not 'if.' They'll likely try to
blame you.. Make it clear (in e-mail) that you think it's a disaster
waiting to happen & hang on to that copy in 'sent items.' Forward it to an
outside acct. at the time you send it so you have a copy with unalterable
headers (showing when it was sent).
 

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