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Deodiaus

I have an old Dell with a Pentium II Intel 400 MHz chip which I want to
upgrade.
I have an Intel Centrium 1200 MHz chip .
I was wondering if the form factor changed on the motherboard since
then. Would it fit?
As it is, I am annoyed that the from factor changed for my AMD chip
Socket A-462 from the Intel lineage?
 
D

DaveW

Your computer's older BIOS is incompatible with that fast of a CPU. I
believe you are limited to a PII 500MHz, if my memory serves me right.
 
K

kony

I have an old Dell with a Pentium II Intel 400 MHz chip which I want to
upgrade.

It's a slot 1, so at the very least you need a slotket
adapter. If that slotket adapter doesn't have a voltage
control (jumpers) on it, you'd need yet another adapter
mounted on the slotket adapter. Further after a certain
point, your board bios (versions) will cause the board to
stop during post, because it can't ID the CPU.

I have an Intel Centrium 1200 MHz chip .

Celeron, Tualatin type at 1.2GHz?

I was wondering if the form factor changed on the motherboard since
then. Would it fit?

Nope you need the adapters as mentioned above, AND the right
bios.

As it is, I am annoyed that the from factor changed for my AMD chip
Socket A-462 from the Intel lineage?

That's just how it goes, they can't predict far enough in
advance what their next, next architecture will use and AMD
can't just use Intel's designs unless they are willing to
share.
 
D

Deodiaus

Hey thanks a lot for you guys previous messages.
I also found a PIII 500 MHz computer in storage. I was thinking of
pulling out the P2 chip and putting the P3 in the laptop, but think the
bios might have problems with that as well? Not only that, but the
heat sink on the P3 is huge.
Thank goodness for EBay. Even though I get a lousy price when selling
my mechandise.
 
K

kony

Hey thanks a lot for you guys previous messages.
I also found a PIII 500 MHz computer in storage. I was thinking of
pulling out the P2 chip and putting the P3 in the laptop,

Laptop? You seem to have failed to mention this crucial
detail.
but think the
bios might have problems with that as well?

Possibly, you could check on a bios update and try to
determine if later models of same notebook platform ever
shipping with that processor.
 
D

Deodiaus

DELL Dimension XPS M233s ATX
I see that Dell still makes the Dimension, but not the XPS
 
D

Deodiaus

I have a dell inspiron 2200. I was thinking of upgrading the memory
from 512 MB to the max possible. Dells web site offers a 1 GB memory,
saying that it fits just one memory module.
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=A0743531

Is it possible to go higher? Does any 200-pin SODIMM memory work?
BTW, does it make sense to upgrade the processor? I saw a 3.2 GHz
celeron for $30 at tigerdirect.com today. What processor do you
recommend? I was thinking of an Intel non celeron, getting the L2
cache back.
 
C

Clint

I thought you said you had a Dell Latitude CP M233ST? In fact, I know you
did, because that's what the post I replied to said.

As far as memory goes, go to www.crucial.com, locate whatever machine you
have, and it will tell you what kind of memory you need. Not all 200-pin
SODIMM memory will work. For example, you can get 200-pin DDR2 SODIMM
memory.

What do you do with your laptop (what programs, games, whatever)? How many
applications do you typically have open? Your machine will require a mobile
processor, so if this
(http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1649469)
is the processor you were looking at, you're SOL, because that's a desktop
processor, designed to fit in a desktop motherboard.

My gut feel: upgrading the processor is a waste of time and money. You
won't notice much of a performance difference, IMHO. Upgrading the memory
MAY be worthwhile, depending on what software you run, and if your system is
constantly swapping because you don't have enough physical memory.

At this point, I don't know what you're looking at swapping into what, or
what machines you actually have to play with. You'ved talked about trying
to replace a P2 400MHz processor with a Centrium(whatever that is) 1200MHz,
or (I think) a P3 500MHz. Then you posted about having a Latitude CP
M233ST, which had a Pentium (not 2 or 3) 233MHz processor. And now you're
talking about an Inspiron 2200, and popping in a 3.2GHz Celeron. My advise,
start over from scratch, identify what you've got, and what you want to
accomplish. Realize that there's a big difference between laptops and
desktops, especially when talking about processors, RAM, and hard drives.
Oh yeah, and video cards, motherboards, network cards, and pretty much
everything else. :) But start fresh. You're all over the place, and you're
not going to get much useful advice until you can give useful information.

Given your current situation, you might be better off picking up a new
Inspiron E1505 or something similar. $700 right now will get you a dual
core 1.66GHz processor (don't let the speed fool you, that will blow the
doors off your current system), 1GB RAM, 60GB 5400 rpm drive. Then sell the
old system for whatever you can get. By the time you combine that with
whatever you would have spent for a new processor and RAM (and you not
getting a laptop processor for $30, I'm pretty sure), you'd probably come
out ahead on the deal. Wait for the right sale, and you'll almost
definately come out ahead.

If you're interested in the Dell's, check out the alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
newsgroup as well. They'll be much more aware of current US pricing for
different models than I am (I'm up in Canada, and haven't been following the
lower end laptops much).

Good luck!

Clint
 
D

Deodiaus

I see at kingston.com that the memory caps out at 1.25 ghz, so I guess
the most I could upgrade is to add a 1GB DDR. I thougth that the DDRs
needed to be added in pairs for max efficiency?
How do I find out if I need to upgrade the BIOS.
I see that the Intel Pentium M 740 is used in the Inspiron 6000 and
lists for $175 on pricewatch.com and $120 used on ebay. Are there any
physical differences or other things in the BIOS's? Is it programmed
eprom which can be changed? (I only marginally know what this means).
 
D

Deodiaus

Yes, I am talking about another machine dell inspiron 2200. I have a
museam collection, with which I dicker, since there is little to lose
(except my time)! I also have lots of junk I picked up which friends
ask me to upgrade! I am a software guy, but my friends all think I know
lots about computers. Every 2 years, I try to act knowledgeable about
hardware, and forget it by next year.
Good thing you pointed out the issue about the DDR2.
I thought that it made sense to upgrade the hardware (or so it did a
decade ago), but it is good to see your knowledge about that
philosophy.
Thanks a lot.
 
M

Mike T.

Deodiaus said:
I see at kingston.com that the memory caps out at 1.25 ghz, so I guess
the most I could upgrade is to add a 1GB DDR. I thougth that the DDRs
needed to be added in pairs for max efficiency?

WRONG. Some mainboard chipsets support "dual channel" memory
configurations. These mainboards use two physical sticks of RAM as ONE,
doubling the width of the memory bus. However, this does not give a
significant increase in performance over using a single stick of RAM at the
same (combined) RAM quantity. Or in other words, two sticks of 512MB DDR400
is not significantly faster than 1 stick of 1MB DDR400, even if both are
installed in a "dual channel" capable mainboard.

What makes this issue more frustrating is that several greedy RAM
manufacturers were selling "dual channel" kits for a much greater price than
2 of the SAME sticks of RAM could be purchased, if purchased individually.
And you don't need matched pairs of RAM to use dual channel! You don't even
need to match name brand of memory stick for dual channel, as long as both
sticks have similar specifications and BOTH are supported by the mainboard.

On a related side note, I just got a letter in the mail stating that I'm due
a refund resulting from a lawsuit where several major memory chip
manufacturers were successfully sued for price fixing. So this "dual
channel kit" crap is just the latest scam being run by the memory
manufacturers.
 
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Deodiaus

I meant Celeron, not Centrium.
Good point about that Celeron for a desktop. I thought if the socket
fits, it was all right.
I have WinXP Home ed on the dell inspiron 2200. Most of the time, it
runs
MS Paint, MS Word 2000 and IE6. Sometimes, I use Excel. Occasionally,
I use the the HP scanjet 2200 SW, MS VSS, MS Dev Studio 6, and Quake.
 

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