So few capacitors on motherboard?

[kony]

That's not the point. That's a design problem. But just because there are
empty holes on a circuit board doesn't mean you should start filling them in
with stuff. Look at virtually any halfway complicated circuit board and
there will be empty holes.


That's a more meaningful question. The only answer I know of is to search
the web for reviews of that motherboard to see if anyone thinks it was
designed well. That or get an advanced degree in computer and electrical
engineering.

.... or compare it to other motherboards that aren't build to this
extremely low price-point. Where's your common sense? If this was a
good design would't it be present on something other than the cheapest
motherboard?

 

[kony]

This is getting silly. If a 6 cylinder car only had 5 spark plugs, then
obviously you wouldn't buy that car. 6th grade analogies aside, this is a
moot point.

A shill for ECS?

Obviously I wouldn't buy the motherboard either.

 

[Conor]

A shill for ECS?

Obviously I wouldn't buy the motherboard either.

Nope, just someone with more intelligence than you.

 

[Conor]

... or compare it to other motherboards that aren't build to this
extremely low price-point. Where's your common sense? If this was a
good design would't it be present on something other than the cheapest
motherboard?

You sir are an idiot of epic proportions with absilutely no
understanding of economics and mass marketing.

Give you a clue..

To save money you design a PCB that is used throughout a wide range of
models. You install/leave out components depending on the feature set.

Seeing as you're intellectually deficient, I'll give you an analogy
involving cars.

Fors use the same chassis for many models as do VW. Some companies
share chassis. For example one of the Jaguar models shares the same
underpinnings as a Ford Mondeo.

 

[jeff findley]

Nope, just someone with more intelligence than you.

My boss, myself, and a co-worker all built systems using this
motherboard and an AMD Athlon XP1600+ processor. All three systems
seem to run just fine. Problems with our computers are far more often
software related, not hardware related.

Ours all came with the integrated sound and integrated ethernet.

The only problem I had that could have been hardware (could have been
a driver issue as well) was with the ethernet port. It didn't want to
auto detect the speed of my 10Mbps network, so I had to go into the
driver (Win98 driver supplied by ECS) and tell it to use 10Mbps, not
to auto-detect.

One should also note that our systems are "old", since this board has
been around for quite some time. That's another reason it's not as
expensive. Surely all the up-front costs were paid for long ago, so
ECS can keep lowering the price.

Jeff

 

[CBFalconer]

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You sir are an idiot of epic proportions with absilutely no
understanding of economics and mass marketing.

Have you been taking diplomacy lessons from Dan Pop?

 

[kony]

You sir are an idiot of epic proportions with absilutely no
understanding of economics and mass marketing.

I was thinking the same about you.
I do understand mass marketing as it applies here. There's a certain
percentage of people who understand the limitations and won't exceed
them or can work around them, but others who simply bought because of
the lowest price-point and had no idea what problems they'd have.
Others can accept that the board may not last so long, feel that's a
fair tradeoff, but others still expect a normal performance unless
stated otherwise in the product description.

Give you a clue..

I'd rather you bought the board and did some testing, since you
pretend to be knowledgable about this. Or rather, it'd be more
appropriate for you to read the spec sheets of these components
omitted, so you can grasp that many of he capacitors omitted, aren't
those in these aux function areas, but (would be) part of the main
circuits that ARE being implemented on this board.

THAT is where you went wrong, your misunderstanding that capacitors
are missing in features, circuits that are used, not just in features
omitted. These are common circuits used by many manufacturers, often
very similar to the reference designs of the respective chips, execpt
you-know-who decided to start cutting corners.

To save money you design a PCB that is used throughout a wide range of
models. You install/leave out components depending on the feature set.

Yes, a very minor number of capacitors, smaller ones, are left off.
That does not account for even ONE capacitor missing from areas like
CPU voltage regulation or memory... it supports the same CPUs and uses
same basic regulation designs as the other boards, claims to support
same CPUs, same memory... at least up to a point, 2/3 of typical, not
THAT much less.

Seeing as you're intellectually deficient, I'll give you an analogy
involving cars.

If you can't understand motherboards why would I trust your judgement
on something like cars?

Fors use the same chassis for many models as do VW. Some companies
share chassis. For example one of the Jaguar models shares the same
underpinnings as a Ford Mondeo.

Chassis ~ PCB, not capacitor.

 

[kony]

Nope, just someone with more intelligence than you.

You're entitled to your opinon, though the most experienced users do
not buy these boards.... they're used almost exclusively
when the budget is the constraint.

It's sad that you have no valid argument and are stooping to insults
instead. Perhaps you have one of these and it makes you so cranky?

 

[jeffc]

A shill for ECS?

Obviously I wouldn't buy the motherboard either.

Huh? My point had absolutely nothing to do with ECS. Do you turn off logic
circuits when you go into argue mode?

 

[kony]

Huh? My point had absolutely nothing to do with ECS. Do you turn off logic
circuits when you go into argue mode?

Then why did you post it in this thread?
Of course it did, you were trying to imply something about the missing
components.

 

[Manny]

I'm wondering if the ECS K7VTA3 ver. 5 is the
Dodge Neon of mobos. Its CPU core voltage regulator
is 2-phase with seven 3300uF filter capacitors (8th
one left out), compared to 3-phase with eleven 3300uF
capacitors for the K7VTA3 ver. 3. I thought that
more phases at a given base frequency meant less
capacitance was needed

Try measuring the ripple around the board with a scope,
and compare it to the ripple of a known high-quality
board.

If no scope, then load the system with the fastest
available processor and AGP card, and speed up the
BIOS timings and overclock until the board just
starts to become stable. Then add all the missing
capacitors, and if stability improves you've proved
that the board had been cheapened too much.

 

[PJx]

Then why did you post it in this thread?
Of course it did, you were trying to imply something about the missing
components.

The whole thread is a pointless ego trip. What a waste of resources.

 

[Bill Turner]

Nope, just someone with more intelligence than you.

_________________________________________________________

This Conor fellow is infamous on the newsgroups for handing out
incorrect information. Pay him no mind.

In addition, he seems to be hung up on criticizing other people's
intelligence, no doubt from insecurities regarding his own. Pathetic.

 

[jeffc]

The whole thread is a pointless ego trip. What a waste of resources.

And we thank you for your valuable input.