Slight differences in X800 cards

[Remo-Shiva]

ok, i looked at overclockers.co.uk and there is something quite intresting
i've noticed about the cards being released, they have slightly different
clock speeds and memory speeds, plus the Sapphire XT is not the Platinum
Edition but supports AGP 8x which if you look on ATI's website shouldn't be.
ATI says the X800 Pro is exclusively AGP 8x and the X800 XT is exclusively
PCI Express (which my mobo doesn't support) so I was going for the XT
Platinum Edition which is for both AGP 8x and PCI Express and is also a bit
faster than the XT.

The 2 cards they have listed are the Sapphire one which has a clock speed of
525Mhz and memory speed of 1150Mhz and the Connect3D version which has a
clock speed of 520Mhz and a memory speed of 1200Mhz, plus the connect3d one
is £9 more expensive (which is nothing if your spending £361).

Which one do you guys think I should gor for? as there is only a small
difference in speed does it really matter? and should I worry about the fact
that Sapphires card isn't named the XT Platinum Edition?

Thanks for any usefull replies, I want to get my pre-order in within the
next few days so I get mine before they sell out, hopefully (my pc has had
no graphics card for a month now and I really want to start using it again).

Shiva

 

[Bratboy]

Uhmm, I may be off here but the PE designation was something IIRC ATI added
to their x800 xt name to designate it as ATI's flagship. It has nothing to
do with being PCI express or AGP. All x800's are 8x if agp and the the PCI
express version I think will support 16x but that will be the 423 chip not
the 420 used with the x800 pro and XT. Finally I believe the x800xt IS NOT
exclusivly pci express.

 

[Remo-Shiva]

check the ati website mate, you r wrong.

http://www.ati.com/products/radeonx800/radeonx800series/index.html

Shiva

 

[@ndrew]

check the ati website mate, you r wrong.

http://www.ati.com/products/radeonx800/radeonx800series/index.html

Shiva

I think you need to check the link you gave ... you are wrong.

regards

@ndrew

 

[Remo-Shiva]

try reading properly, you r both wrong:

<snip>

AGP bus configuration (8X/4X/Universal AGP 3.0):
a.. RADEON X800 PRO and
b.. RADEON X800 XT PLATINUM EDITION.
PCI ExpressT bus configuration:

a.. RADEON X800 XT
b.. RADEON X800 XT PLATINUM EDITION.

which means X800 Pro is exclusively AGP, X800 XT is exclusively PCI Express
and the XT Platinume Edition is for both, which is exactly what I said in my
original post now stop with this argument, I am right, u r wrong!!! gain
some more knowledge before replying to these messages please.

Shiva

 

[Bratboy]

I really dont care either hehe, all I know is I've got my x800XT PE. Go
enjoy arguing symantic's Im gonna enjoy playing a game instead. The simple
truth is that your gonna have to read each sites specs for each board to get
the one you want, no one else can do it for you.

 

[Remo-Shiva]

So I ask a simple question on a newsgroup full of people who should know the
answer because I don't know the answer, then some stupid c**t replies NOT
with an answer or a helpfull suggestion.. NOOO ..you pick holes in the
original question, then some other c**t does the same thing and when I prove
you both wrong you reply with a "I don't give a s**t" attitude, when all I
wanted and still want is a civilised answer to a question. Why bother
replying to messages if all you can do is pick holes in the question? its
not like you knew what you were talking about, if you were right I'd say
"thanks a lot mate I shall change the original post accordingly".

All I want is for someone who knows what they are talking about to answer my
question, just like the thousands of other people who use these newsgroups
as a source of information from people in the know. NOT PEOPLE LIKE YOU. I
suggeset you stop using the newsgroups as you have clearly got the point of
them twisted.

Remo.

 

[McGrandpa]

Interesting that the ATi site shows they now produce both a X800XT and
X800XT Platinum Edition, and do not show a comparison of the two. I've
just looked at the online stores for Circuit City, Best Buy and CompUSA,
and all three show at least one X800. Best Buy shows an X800XT, lists
it as just a X800. They also list an X800 Pro. There is little
information about either. CompUSA lists an X800 Pro and X800 XT.
Circuit City lags with only an X800 Pro listed. These XT's aren't shown
as Platinum Editions. I wonder if that edition has to be purchased
from ATi direct.

Here in Houston, Tx. the only problem I ever have is actually finding
one of the latest greatest cards ON the shelf. There are none
available of any X800 in any of the stores at this time anywhere in this
metroplex.

McG.

 

[Les]

Just make sure the card you get has 16 pipelines and the core and memory
clocks are no less than 520/1120.

The X800-XTPE is not for both AGP and PCI-E, it can be produced for one or
the other. Also I haven't yet seen specs for the PCI-E X800XT, its possible
it may just be the PCI-E version of the X800Pro or it could be a 16 pipeline
card throttled back to the same core/mem clocks as the pro version, much
like nvidia have done with the 6800GT.

Other people may be able to provide some links with info on this.
--
Les
AMD64 3200+
2x512 MB corsair platinum 3500
Gigabyte GA-K8VNXP
Herc 9700 Pro - VGA Silencer 3
SB Audigy

 

[Bratboy]

That was the point I was trying to make to the origonal poster. ATI
origonally was gonna have x800 pro and x800 xt, then they suddenly turned
around and said that they were adding the PE nomenclature to designate it as
THEIR top card. Other venders put out the XT and if they want to make a
tweaked out version they can call what they wish.

 

[Pluvious]

So I ask a simple question on a newsgroup full of people who should know the
answer because I don't know the answer, then some stupid c**t replies NOT
with an answer or a helpfull suggestion.. NOOO ..you pick holes in the
original question, then some other c**t does the same thing and when I prove
you both wrong you reply with a "I don't give a s**t" attitude, when all I
wanted and still want is a civilised answer to a question. Why bother
replying to messages if all you can do is pick holes in the question? its
not like you knew what you were talking about, if you were right I'd say
"thanks a lot mate I shall change the original post accordingly".

All I want is for someone who knows what they are talking about to answer my
question, just like the thousands of other people who use these newsgroups
as a source of information from people in the know. NOT PEOPLE LIKE YOU. I
suggeset you stop using the newsgroups as you have clearly got the point of
them twisted.

Remo.

Hear hear.. This newsgroup has turned into a place to pick fights and
'correct' people instead of a helpful discussion. Last week I posted
about a good price for the X800 Pro and had to be told that I was
wrong, even though I bought one! Can you imagine?.. Sigh.

Pluvious

 

[@ndrew]

So I ask a simple question on a newsgroup full of people who should
know the answer because I don't know the answer, then some stupid
c**t replies NOT with an answer or a helpfull suggestion.. NOOO ..you
pick holes in the original question, then some other c**t does the
same thing and when I prove you both wrong you reply with a "I don't
give a s**t" attitude, when all I wanted and still want is a
civilised answer to a question.

So ask a civilised question instead of being silly.

Why bother replying to messages if
all you can do is pick holes in the question? its not like you knew
what you were talking about, if you were right I'd say "thanks a lot
mate I shall change the original post accordingly".

I think you need to re-read your original post .. if English is not
your first language I could understand the way you are having problems
articulating what information you need.

All I want is for someone who knows what they are talking about to
answer my question, just like the thousands of other people who use
these newsgroups as a source of information from people in the know.
NOT PEOPLE LIKE YOU. I suggeset you stop using the newsgroups as you
have clearly got the point of them twisted.

Newsgroups did not come into being for the purpose of answering queries
... in fact they came into being as discussion forums by scientists.

If you wants answers to questions you can find them here:

Http://www.google.com

If you want answers in the newsgroup phrase your question correctly. If
you can't stand being corrected I would suggest you leave.

regards

@ndrew

 

[Remo-Shiva]

you fail to understand that YOU were the one that was wrong. Who the hell
are you to correct me?

 

[@ndrew]

you fail to understand that YOU were the one that was wrong. Who the
hell are you to correct me?

You fail to understand that you are a child and a top posting one at
that.

@ndrew

 

[Remo-Shiva]

look, face it, your an idiot, give it up, retard.

 

[John Lewis]

try reading properly, you r both wrong:

<snip>

AGP bus configuration (8X/4X/Universal AGP 3.0):
a.. RADEON X800 PRO and
b.. RADEON X800 XT PLATINUM EDITION.
PCI ExpressT bus configuration:

a.. RADEON X800 XT
b.. RADEON X800 XT PLATINUM EDITION.

which means X800 Pro is exclusively AGP, X800 XT is exclusively PCI Express
and the XT Platinume Edition is for both, which is exactly what I said in my
original post now stop with this argument, I am right, u r wrong!!! gain
some more knowledge before replying to these messages please.

That's funny !! The X800XT PE supports BOTH busses ?

I did not know that Ati had a bridge chip, or built BOTH AGP
and PCI-Express support into their current R400 GPU. Maybe
the card has 2 GPUs ? R400 and R420.... would get a little hot .... ??

Please look at the first data lines in the following link:-

http://www.ati.com/support/agpchart/index.html

No mention of PCI-Express here. Seems as if some marketing idiot
did not get the overview page right. Anyway, Ati site pages are always
long on marketing blurb, short on tech specs and full of mistakes.
Much more accurate spec. info from the 3rd-part vendors.

The PCI-Express version of Ati's boards are not yet retail-available.

PE means Platinum Edition NOT Pci-Express...............
Dumb and confusing nomenclature, ain't it...........

John Lewis

 

[Lee Waun]

You fail to understand that you are a child and a top posting one at
that.

@ndrew

Time to killfile a waste of bandwidth like yourself.

 

[Les]

That's funny !! The X800XT PE supports BOTH busses ?

I did not know that Ati had a bridge chip, or built BOTH AGP
and PCI-Express support into their current R400 GPU. Maybe
the card has 2 GPUs ? R400 and R420.... would get a little hot .... ??

There is the the R420 and R423, agp and PCI-E cores respectively. Not on the
same card though obviously! ATI aren't using bridge chips either.

Please look at the first data lines in the following link:-

http://www.ati.com/support/agpchart/index.html

There is a clue there somewhere why it has agp cards only.

No mention of PCI-Express here. Seems as if some marketing idiot
did not get the overview page right. Anyway, Ati site pages are always
long on marketing blurb, short on tech specs and full of mistakes.
Much more accurate spec. info from the 3rd-part vendors.

same with nvidia in my experience

The PCI-Express version of Ati's boards are not yet retail-available.

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?MSI-RX600

granted its not X800 series, but its PCI-Express, ATI and available

PE means Platinum Edition NOT Pci-Express...............

Even the op recognised that, except he gives the impression he thinks one
card fits both.

Dumb and confusing nomenclature, ain't it...........

not really