Shameful CPU Pricing

[aether]

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80829&ps=ho3

Is this suppose to make sense to customers? Nearly a grand for a single
processor? Is this some sort of joke?

 

[Cuzman]

aether wrote:

" Nearly a grand for a single processor? Is this some sort of joke? "


How about some for more than a grand?

AMD Dual-Core Opteron 270 Italy 1GHz FSB Socket 940 Processor Model
OSA270CBBOX - Retail $1,229.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103552

intel Pentium Extreme Edition 840 Smithfield 800MHz FSB LGA 775 Dual
Core, EM64T Processor Model BX80551PGH3200F - Retail $1,154.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116214

intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 3.4 Gallatin 800MHz FSB Socket 478
Processor Model BX80532PG3400F - Retail $1,077.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116169

intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 3.46 Gallatin 1066MHz FSB LGA 775
Processor Model BX80532PH3460FS - Retail $1,045.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116189

intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 3.4 Gallatin 800MHz FSB LGA 775
Processor Model BX80532PG3400FS - Retail £1,029.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116187

 

[Nate Edel]

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80829&ps=ho3

Is this suppose to make sense to customers? Nearly a grand for a single
processor? Is this some sort of joke?

If it's a joke, it's a very old joke. Top of the line chips have been going
for around that for quite some time now.

The good thing for those of us who don't need the absolute highest
performance is that those same top of the line chips get cheaper, and the
price-performance curve is wayyy nonlinear... you can get 90% of that
performance for half the price, 84% of the performance for 1/3 the price,
and 79% of the performance for 1/4 the price. (There's also 95% of the
performance for 3/4 of the price.)

3800mhz = 4.4 mhz/$
3600mhz = 5.9 mhz/$
3400mhz = 8.333 mhz/$
3200mhz = 11.6 mhz/$
3000mhz = 13.2 mhz/$

Now, that's all comparing P4 600-series 2mb cache parts, so there should be
no difference besides the core clock speed. Prices via Pricescan, except for
the 3.8ghz part which I used the price you provided.

 

[aether]

It's a disgrace. As I've said before, I hope some third world country
begins mass-producing processors of their own volition, pressuring
these pig corporations to reconsider their price gouging, and
eventually forcing prices down. For it's greed and shortsightedness,
'The West' deserves to lose it's industry. It's gotten out of control.

 

[keith]

It's a disgrace. As I've said before, I hope some third world country
begins mass-producing processors of their own volition, pressuring
these pig corporations to reconsider their price gouging, and
eventually forcing prices down. For it's greed and shortsightedness,
'The West' deserves to lose it's industry. It's gotten out of control.

If you think it's so easy to design and manufacture a processor, stop
whining and have at it. I'm sure you like to get paid for (whatever
little) you do too.

 

[Don Taylor]

It's a disgrace. As I've said before, I hope some third world country
begins mass-producing processors of their own volition, pressuring
these pig corporations to reconsider their price gouging, and
eventually forcing prices down. For it's greed and shortsightedness,
'The West' deserves to lose it's industry. It's gotten out of control.

If you don't REALLY need the latest and greatest parts, you can use
trailing edge technology for a tiny fraction of the price.

Consider how much cheaper it is to have a processor that is 25%
slower than that part. It is far more than 25% cheaper.

I remember when the new 32 bit parallel execution DSP parts first
came out. They were almost a thousand dollars each. And now after
a few years those parts are in the twenty dollar range.

 

[nobody]

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80829&ps=ho3

Is this suppose to make sense to customers? Nearly a grand for a single
processor? Is this some sort of joke?

Why? They charge as much as the market bears. Evidently someone is
willing to pay that price (or at least they think so). Supply and
demand... In a word - CAPITALISM. Don't like it? You are free to go
to some place like Cuba or N.Korea. Though I doubt you will have any
kind of a CPU there, and definitely not a Net connection.

 

[Tony Hill]

It's a disgrace. As I've said before, I hope some third world country
begins mass-producing processors of their own volition, pressuring
these pig corporations to reconsider their price gouging, and
eventually forcing prices down. For it's greed and shortsightedness,
'The West' deserves to lose it's industry. It's gotten out of control.

Here ya go:

http://www.directron.com/epia800.html

Enjoy...

Ok, Taiwan is hardly a 3rd world country, not to mention the fact that
the VIA processor design team is actually located in Texas, but still
they are cheap. Of course, the performance stinks when compared to
even the bottom-of-the-barrel AMD or Intel chips...

 

[Grumble]

http://www.directron.com/epia800.html

Part Number: MB-EPIA-800
Regular price: $109.00
On Sale: $105.00

Are these US dollars?!?

ASRock and Asus (to name a few) sell Socket-A MicroATX motherboards with
integrated graphics.

e.g. http://www.asrockamerica.com/Products/K7S41.htm

Pair such a board with a Sempron 2200.

ASRock K7S41 = 38 EUR
Sempron 2200 = 42 EUR

AFAICT, this system will murder the C3-based system, and it's cheaper.

 

[Grumble]

Is this suppose to make sense to customers? Nearly a grand for

a single processor? Is this some sort of joke?

Can you imagine the price of the latest Xeon MP?

http://www.intel.com/products/processor/xeon/

90 nm, EM64T, 1MB L2, 8MB (*) L3, 3.33 GHz, 667 MHz FSB.

Boy, I feel dizzy just thinking about the price.

By the way, WHAT'S YOUR POINT?


(*) Xeon wants to challenge Madison ;-)

 

[Ed]

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80829&ps=ho3

Is this suppose to make sense to customers? Nearly a grand for a single
processor? Is this some sort of joke?

Just history repeating itself,

06/30/1997
Intel Pentium Pro® processor 200Mhz-512k $1055.00
Intel Pentium® ll processor 266/512k (Box) $865.00

Ed

 

[Robert Redelmeier]

It's a disgrace. As I've said before, I hope some third
world country begins mass-producing processors of their own
volition, pressuring these pig corporations to reconsider
their price gouging, and eventually forcing prices down. For
it's greed and shortsightedness, 'The West' deserves to
lose it's industry. It's gotten out of control.

No need. Intel and AMD are their own stiffest competition.
They sell lots of low-end processors. They have these
extremely expensive CPUs for those few customers who think
they can justify the power. A good thing, because they
probably can't make many. The pricing is mostly to shape
their curves and hold up the high end.

-- Robert

 

[Alan Walpool]

Ed> On 17 Jun 2005 18:05:57 -0700, "aether"

Ed> Just history repeating itself,

Ed> 06/30/1997 Intel Pentium Pro® processor 200Mhz-512k $1055.00
Ed> Intel Pentium® ll processor 266/512k (Box) $865.00

Those were some very good processors. Still have a ppro running smooth
as silk expect have to replace a fan every now and then. I didn't pay
no where here the starting price ;-)).

Later

 

[dawg]

They've always done this. The top of the line CPU has always been priced
very high at introduction. The lower speeds are much more reasonable.

 

[aether]

I see prices going up for one purpose: profit, and the pleasing of
shareholders (one and the same)

The bigwig shareholders should just be shot. These are men who are
already million and billionaires many times over, but enough is never
enough for them. Such people should be removed from the planet.

The prices will continue to rise. Eventually, very few people will be
able to afford top of the line computers. Everyone else will be using
old hardware.

 

[Nate Edel]

Can you imagine the price of the latest Xeon MP?
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/xeon/

90 nm, EM64T, 1MB L2, 8MB (*) L3, 3.33 GHz, 667 MHz FSB.

Boy, I feel dizzy just thinking about the price.

I'm really surprised to see that that one's only 129W.

 

[Ed]

Ed> On 17 Jun 2005 18:05:57 -0700, "aether"


Ed> Just history repeating itself,

Ed> 06/30/1997 Intel Pentium Pro® processor 200Mhz-512k $1055.00
Ed> Intel Pentium® ll processor 266/512k (Box) $865.00

Those were some very good processors. Still have a ppro running smooth
as silk expect have to replace a fan every now and then. I didn't pay
no where here the starting price ;-)).

Later

Their now $8.00 with free S&H. ;p

 

[Carlos Moreno]

I see prices going up for one purpose: profit, and the pleasing of
shareholders (one and the same)

The bigwig shareholders should just be shot. These are men who are
already million and billionaires many times over, but enough is never
enough for them. Such people should be removed from the planet.

The prices will continue to rise. Eventually, very few people will be
able to afford top of the line computers. Everyone else will be using
old hardware.

You are mistaken in the last paragraph. Prices have continuously going
down for more than two decades.

As for the "pig capitalists" (I believe that's what you called them in
another message), I wonder what would you have to say about Microsoft.

Hardware manufacturers have a lot of research and development cost,
plus manufacturing cost, plus a *per-unit* cost, which doesn't occur
with Software. Yet Microsoft charges a considerable fraction of the
cost of a PC just for placing a copy of their software (a copy that
has ZERO making cost, as opposed to all the other things that are
inside a computer, which requires materials and a physical costly
procedure to manufacture and install).

Do you remember the Intel Pentium floating point bug? As I recall,
Intel recalled and replaced at no cost many millions of chips. Does
Microsoft exhibit such a loudly-apologetic behaviour whenever their
software has bugs like that? Has Microsoft refunded the customers
that bought SQL Server when their machines and the whole Internet
was effectively shut down due to a horrible, huge bug in their
software?

You should redirect your anger... Really

Carlos
--

 

[Keith R. Williams]

I see prices going up for one purpose: profit, and the pleasing of
shareholders (one and the same)

The bigwig shareholders should just be shot. These are men who are
already million and billionaires many times over, but enough is never
enough for them. Such people should be removed from the planet.

How about we shoot all the socialists first? Starting with...

The prices will continue to rise. Eventually, very few people will be
able to afford top of the line computers. Everyone else will be using
old hardware.

Are you really that pig-ignorant or are you just trolling? The price
of computers has been coming down for the past forty+ years, in case
you hadn't noticed. Yeah, mainframes today still cost more than $299.
GO figure.

 

[David Wang]

I see prices going up for one purpose: profit, and the pleasing of
shareholders (one and the same)

The bigwig shareholders should just be shot. These are men who are
already million and billionaires many times over, but enough is never
enough for them. Such people should be removed from the planet.

Chairman Mao proposed a similar theory as you're expressing here.
Chairman Mao believed that essentially 95% of the people were
"good", meaning inherently altruistic, and 5% of the people were
inherently "bad", meaning greedy and thus incompatible with the
ideals of communism. Chairman Mao believed that you just had to
kill the 5% of the "bad" people, and the rest of the "good" people
can form an ideal communist system.

Unfortunately, Chairman Mao's theories were put into practice,
and millions of people were killed.

The prices will continue to rise. Eventually, very few people will be
able to afford top of the line computers. Everyone else will be using
old hardware.

A friend of mine and I actually talked about processor development
in terms of the capitalist/communist system.

In terms of a communist system, the central planning commision
dictated that this year, Intel's fabs will produce 70 million 80386
processors, and AMD will produce 30 million 80386 processors.
There is no need to produce faster processors, GUI's or GPU's.
Playing games is not productive to the greater glory of the state.

The price of each processor has been set at $40. Next year, the
production quota will be increased by 5%, and costs will be reduced
by 10%. Finally, the engineer that designed the faulty multiplier in
the 80387 MathCo has been determined to be an enemy of the state,
and he will be shot as a warning to all sabateurs.