Shame on U microsoft

[Chuck]

I just uninstalled Mirosoft anti Spyware. What a joke for
Mickeysoft to deal with the enemy. We cant trust you no
more. Thank God Sunbelt Counterspy is still looking out
for us even tho they have to rely on microsoft for the
definitions. I think sunbelt should sue the crap out of
microsoft for stealing their venture. Take a look at
sunbelt and then take a look at Microsofts anti spyware,
look the same,yes it does, however sunbelt counterspy was
around long before microsofts antispyware. Isnt there a
Grandfather rule on that.

 

[Steve Moss]

You clearly are not in possession of the facts regarding the common
roots of CounterSpy and MS AntiSpyware. There is nothing dishonest or
unethical afoot.

Take a look at the many posts around these forums, and lots of other
places on the internet, and you will understand the situation.

 

[Guest]

We need to adopt a wait-and-see attitude on this, and not
spread premature alarm. Remember when panicked AOL users
alerted each other that AOL.EXE was a virus, and should
be deleted immediately?

I can appreciate the apprehension one would feel when
Microsoft appears to negotiate with an acknowledged enemy
of its own users. But how could any intelligent person
believe that Microsoft would suddenly embrace spyware and
deliberately alienate all of its users? Something else
has got to be going on here. It should be noted that MSAS
detection of Claria components has not been removed.

In the mean time, we all have the option of installing
Spybot Search-and-Destroy and Spyware Blaster which are
available for free, which takes care of Claria issues. Or
Pest Patrol. We all need multiple layers of protection
anyway, don't we?

BTW, I've been running SSD and SB concurrently with MSAS
since the latter's initial beta release without any
conflicts.

 

[Engel]

Claria products are still detected with an alert or a line
at the end of a scan.

What has change is the suggested default action.
Previously it was quarantine, now it is default. The user
is free to choose any specific action other than the
default, including quarantine or remove.

 

[Chuck]

All I know is I had Counterspy and then came along the
revolutinary MSAS, which is just a stripped down version
of Counterspy. Microsoft needs ro decide (is it the Money
or is it the people) because without the people there is
no money.

 

[JohnF.]

How about you go do some homework before you start spouting off like you
have all the facts.

You want to uninstall MSAS while it is still very much in beta and does not
resemble the tool MS will release much later down the road then go right
ahead, it's your life. However, before you start rattling off inuendo and
slander like a junior Michael Moore, you should make sure you know what you
are talking about.

 

[Steve Moss]

All I know is I had Counterspy and then came along the
revolutinary MSAS, which is just a stripped down version
of Counterspy. Microsoft needs ro decide (is it the Money
or is it the people) because without the people there is
no money.

??? What is this all about? Like I said - go read these forums and you
will find out what the real situation is. Then you will see that your
comments here do yourself no justice.

 

[Anonymous Bob]

??? What is this all about? Like I said - go read these forums and you
will find out what the real situation is. Then you will see that your
comments here do yourself no justice.

Steve,

In Chuck's defense, he's posting from the web interface and surely
can't see the big picture.

Chuck,

You would do better to use the newsgroups:
Server: privatenews.microsoft.com
Account Name: privatenews\spyware
Password: spyware

Bob Vanderveen

 

[Steve Moss]

Steve,

In Chuck's defense, he's posting from the web interface and surely
can't see the big picture.

OK Bob, I accept that. Let me try to put him out of his misery then...

.... Giant Company developed and marketed a product called Giant
AntiSpyware. Giant Company granted co-ownership rights to Sunbelt
Software for the Giant AntiSpyware technology, and granted them
exclusive rights to develop its own product (subsequently called
CounterSpy) based on the technology. As part of the deal, Giant were
contracted to supply spyware signatures to Sunbelt up until July 2007.
CounterSpy was/is therefore a (legitimate) close of Giant AntiSpyware,
and Sunbelt are now developing CounterSpy further (that may in time
result in CounterSpy no loonger appearing to be a clone of Giant
AntiSpyware)

In December 2004, Microsoft acquired Giant Company and all of its
products. So Giant AntiSpyware as was, is now Microsoft AntiSpyware
(MSAS for short), and MSAS is therefore also a (legitimate) clone of
Giant AntiSpyware. MS have deemed this MSAS a beta product at this
stage, as they develop it further (and independently of Sunbelt).

Of course, MS also inherited Giant's obligations to Sunbelt, so MS are
obliged to share their signature updates with Sunbelt until July 2007.

So, there are clear and legitimate reasons why CounterSpy and MSAS are
close clones of each other at this stage. However, expect this to
change as both Sunbelt and MS develop their respective products further.

Now, your comments about 'Mickeysoft', your suggestion that Sunbelt
'sue the crap out of' Microsoft, your accusation that Microsoft were
'stealing', and so on, look pretty stupid don't they?

 

[Bruce]

All I know is

And there's the crux.

Not conducive to a sound argument.

 

[Chuck]

-----Original Message-----


OK Bob, I accept that. Let me try to put him out of his misery then...

.... Giant Company developed and marketed a product called Giant
AntiSpyware. Giant Company granted co-ownership rights to Sunbelt
Software for the Giant AntiSpyware technology, and granted them
exclusive rights to develop its own product (subsequently called
CounterSpy) based on the technology. As part of the deal, Giant were
contracted to supply spyware signatures to Sunbelt up until July 2007.
CounterSpy was/is therefore a (legitimate) close of Giant AntiSpyware,
and Sunbelt are now developing CounterSpy further (that may in time
result in CounterSpy no loonger appearing to be a clone of Giant
AntiSpyware)

In December 2004, Microsoft acquired Giant Company and all of its
products. So Giant AntiSpyware as was, is now Microsoft AntiSpyware
(MSAS for short), and MSAS is therefore also a (legitimate) clone of
Giant AntiSpyware. MS have deemed this MSAS a beta product at this
stage, as they develop it further (and independently of Sunbelt).

Of course, MS also inherited Giant's obligations to Sunbelt, so MS are
obliged to share their signature updates with Sunbelt until July 2007.

So, there are clear and legitimate reasons why CounterSpy and MSAS are
close clones of each other at this stage. However, expect this to
change as both Sunbelt and MS develop their respective products further.

Now, your comments about 'Mickeysoft', your suggestion that Sunbelt
'sue the crap out of' Microsoft, your accusation that Microsoft were
'stealing', and so on, look pretty stupid don't they?

--
Regards,
Steve Moss,
CoCo Systems Ltd.
.
Sunbelt has a different story!

 

[Pen]

Sunbelt has a different story!

Which is? And where is it? It isn't on their web site.
To the contrary, they quote Microsoft's web site in
describing the relationship regarding the software
and the definitions.

 

[chuck]

Somebodys in a dream world and its not me.

-----Original Message-----

Which is? And where is it? It isn't on their web site.
To the contrary, they quote Microsoft's web site in
describing the relationship regarding the software
and the definitions.
.

 

[Bill Sanderson]

I'm afraid it is you. Steve Moss has described this accurately, and very
similarly to how Sunbelt would describe it. They, of course, slant things
somewhat differently, so as to point to their own competitive advantages,
but the process was as Steve Moss described it.

There's no theft or copying involved here--just two products starting from a
common codebase and being differentiated by competitive owners.

If you feel we have this wrong, give us some actual URL's to the story you
feel is correct?

 

[Chuck]

So Sorry.I read this in an email sent to me and others on
their mailing list months ago and they have now recanted
everything except for saying theirs is better. My Bad

 

[Bill Sanderson]

As always, "better" is often very subjective. I hear that Sunbelt has a
beta version at this point, and Microsoft will eventually have a beta2.

I'll look forward to a time when we can see objective reviews of both as
released products.

 

[Steve Moss]

Really? Point me there, then (of course, I know you can't, as you are
completely wrong). I tell you what, let me do it for you. Here's
Sunbelt's comment on the situation on their own web site...

http://www.sunbelt-software.com/CounterSpy-FAQ.cfm

Scroll down the page until you see the FAQ named "Q: What is the
relationship between Sunbelt and Microsoft?".

Now, you could of course continue this ridiculous line you are taking
(it seems you have already done so in response to others in this
thread), but that will only result in your "Somebodys in a dream world"
comment coming back to haunt you. Or, you could return to the real
world. Hey, it's no skin off my nose. Good luck.

 

[Steve Moss]

I read this in an email sent to me and others on
their mailing list months ago and they have now recanted
everything except for saying theirs is better.

Really? You're now saying that Sunbelt lied about this situation, and
now they've 'recanted'? I'd love to see those e-mails, if they ever
really existed..

 

[Chuck]

Oh I understand, It's one of those keep your mouth shut
kind of things. OK I got it.

 

[Steve Moss]

Oh I understand, It's one of those keep your mouth shut
kind of things. OK I got it.

No, it's a "try engaging brain before opening mouth" kind of thing.

What you have done here is to accuse people (Microsoft) of dishonesty,
then refuse to listen to those who prove you wrong, then attempt to
excuse yourself by saying others (Sunbelt) told you lies in the first
place. If you consider that is sensible or acceptable behaviour then
you are most probably alone in this world.