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Guest

I was given a computer with a pirated XP Pro on it and found out only after
running the validation software. Needless to say, I want this pc above
board and want to install Windows 98 SE and then XP Home Upgade. I also want
to remove any traces of the old owner as you never know what they put on the
hard drive(ie..kiddie porn). I need detailed advice on how to proceed. I
would also like to keep some of the programs that were loaded on it if
possible. I hope someone can help and guide me through this as I have found
confusing information on how to proceed and in what order. Thanks in advance
to all who can help.
 
G

Guest

It has XP Pro that I need to replace with Windows 98 SE because it was not a
valid copy so I bought Windows 98 SE because I already have the XP Home
upgrade software. I need to replace the XP Pro first.
 
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Pegasus \(MVP\)

If you need advice about installing Win98 then you should post
your question in a Win98 newsgroup.

If you want to install a WinXP upgrade version then there is
no need at all to install Win98 first. Simply boot the machine
with your WinXP CD and proceed with a clean installation.
When prompted, insert the Win98 CD.
 
C

C J.

Why not do what I did... Low level format the drive with manufacturers disk
utility, and then perform a "clean install" of Windows XP Home ED. You can
use the Windows 98 SE CD to qualify for the installation of the Upgrade. It
worked sweet for me on a laptop. Best way, esp If you don't care about the
stuff former owner had on their PC.
 
K

Ken Blake

I was given a computer with a pirated XP Pro on it and found out only after
running the validation software. Needless to say, I want this pc above
board and want to install Windows 98 SE and then XP Home Upgade. I also
want
to remove any traces of the old owner as you never know what they put on
the
hard drive(ie..kiddie porn).


Exactly. I agree completely.

I need detailed advice on how to proceed.

If I bought a used computer, the first thing I would do with it would be to
reinstall the operating system cleanly. You have no idea how the computer
has been maintained, what has been installed incorrectly, what is missing,
what viruses and spyware there may be, etc. I wouldn't want to live with
somebody else's mistakes and problems, possibility of kiddie porn, etc., and
I wouldn't recommend that anyone else do either.

I
would also like to keep some of the programs that were loaded on it if
possible.


You can *not*. If you follow the advice above, you will also have to
reinstall the programs.

Do you have the installation media (CDs) for them? If not, you don't have
legal copies of those either.
 
G

Guest

That is where I am at. I put the windows 98 cd in and rebooted but it still
loads the windows XP Pro. If I hit the F8 key the options of going into safe
mode and other choices are there. Which should I choose to get it to load
the Windows 98 cd? Should I uninstall the XP Pro prior to doing this? I do
not think there is another OS on it so if I uninstall it will I then be able
to load the new Windows 98 cd? I apologize if I have offended some people
because I did not go to the 98 newsgroup but because of having the pirated XP
Pro on it now is why I started here. I am new at this and was just looking
for some guidance.
 
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Phisherman

I was given a computer with a pirated XP Pro on it and found out only after
running the validation software. Needless to say, I want this pc above
board and want to install Windows 98 SE and then XP Home Upgade. I also want
to remove any traces of the old owner as you never know what they put on the
hard drive(ie..kiddie porn). I need detailed advice on how to proceed. I
would also like to keep some of the programs that were loaded on it if
possible. I hope someone can help and guide me through this as I have found
confusing information on how to proceed and in what order. Thanks in advance
to all who can help.


Create a bootable disc and put edit, format, and fdisk on it. Make
sure you have all the necessary drivers for your CD/DVD drive, disc
controller, mobo, video. Backup the machine. Set your BIOS to boot
from the CD and boot from your Windows 98SE CD. If that doesn't work,
boot from your floppy, verify that you can access the CD drive, fdisk,
format, then run the Win98 setup from the drive. Get all the critical
MS updates, install your favorite anti-virus.
 
M

Malke

Phisherman said:
Create a bootable disc and put edit, format, and fdisk on it. Make
sure you have all the necessary drivers for your CD/DVD drive, disc
controller, mobo, video. Backup the machine. Set your BIOS to boot
from the CD and boot from your Windows 98SE CD. If that doesn't work,
boot from your floppy, verify that you can access the CD drive, fdisk,
format, then run the Win98 setup from the drive. Get all the critical
MS updates, install your favorite anti-virus.

This is completely unnecessary. The OP has already been told he doesn't
need to install Win98 first in order to install an upgrade copy of XP
Home. His problem is now that he hasn't set his boot order to boot from
the CD drive first.

To the OP: Start your computer and press a key to get into the BIOS.
What keypress you do depends on your computer. See this for getting into
your BIOS:

http://michaelstevenstech.com/bios_manufacturer.htm
http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/reference/biosp.htm
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000235.htm

Once you are in the BIOS ("Setup"), look for the entry for Boot Order
and change the order to your CD/DVD drive first, hard drive second. Put
your XP Home Upgrade CD in the drive now. Exit the BIOS, saving changes.
The computer will reboot and you should see the light on your CD drive
go on. You will now see a message that says "Press any key to boot from
CD". Press any key. Then follow installations instructions here:

http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html - Clean Install How-To
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Reinstalling_Windows -
What you will need on-hand

Early in the XP install, you will be prompted to supply your Win98 disk.
Put the Win98 disk in the drive when prompted. The XP install will
continue and then will prompt you to put the XP install disk back in. Do
so. Put the Win98 disk away because you are done with it for now. Don't
lose it because you will need it if you ever need to reinstall the XP
upgrade.

After you finish the XP install, install drivers for all your hardware,
install desired programs, restore data from backups.


Malke
 
G

Guest

I attemted it and it did not ask for the 98 disk and went into install. It
prompted a warning that placing XP Home on a partition with an existing OS
"may cause it to function improperly". Is this warning normal or do I have
to remove the XP Pro prior? I went back to the prior screen and I have two
spaces available: 1. C: partition1 [NTFS] 19461 MB, 2. Unpartitioned space:
7 MB. Can I delete the unpartitioned space? It gave me the option to delete
any if I so choose. I have stopped there and await your response. Thanks
for the help
 
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Malke

JohnH said:
I attemted it and it did not ask for the 98 disk and went into install. It
prompted a warning that placing XP Home on a partition with an existing OS
"may cause it to function improperly". Is this warning normal or do I have
to remove the XP Pro prior? I went back to the prior screen and I have two
spaces available: 1. C: partition1 [NTFS] 19461 MB, 2. Unpartitioned space:
7 MB. Can I delete the unpartitioned space? It gave me the option to delete
any if I so choose. I have stopped there and await your response. Thanks
for the help

It would be really helpful if you would take the time to read all the
links you've been given. All your questions would have been answered.

Start over at the point where you put in the XP install CD. Delete all
partitions. Create one new partition. Format it NTFS. Install Windows
into this new partition.

READ THE INSTRUCTIONS AT THE LINKS!

If you really can't figure this out, take the machine to a reputable
computer repair shop. This will not be your local version of
BigComputerStore/GeekSquad.


Malke
 
D

Daave

JohnH said:
I attemted it and it did not ask for the 98 disk and went into
install.

Which directions are you using?

I suggest these:

"Clean Install Windows XP," which can be found at:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html

[Excerpt:]

"9. If you are using the upgrade version of XP on a computer without any
version of Windows currently installed, this is where you will replace
the XP CD with your qualifying CD, XP setup will scan the qualifying CD
and instruct you to replace it with the XP CD to continue XP setup;
otherwise, you will not see this screen. Clean install qualifying media
can be any of the following Win NT3.51, 4.0, 2000, Win 95, 98, Me and XP
Home when upgrading to XP Pro."

I know you said you had a dodgy version of XP Pro installed on your PC,
but this is immaterial because you are performing a clean install. And
as long as you have qualifying media (e.g., a Windows 98 installation
disk), you can perform a clean install with your Windows XP Upgrade
disc.

*Do* you have an installation disk for 98? Or is it merely an OEM
recovery disk? If the latter, this could be problem. See:

[Excerpt:]

"You will need to have a qualifying Win98/Me/2000 CD to insert if you
are using an upgrade version of XP to clean install. OEM restore disks
will usually not fulfill the qualifying requirement. If the restore disk
has a i386 folder, it will usually work."

So what kind of 98 disc do you have?

Oh, and...
READ THE DIRECTIONS CAREFULLY!!!
 
G

Guest

I purchased a new Windows 98 SE OS full product with the product key. I did
not previously have this and you all were right that they would ask for it
and that is why I bought it. I did not mean to offend to PC gods by simply
asking more questions but I must of misunderstood what this newsgroup purpose
was. I thought it was to help people who were not proficient by those who
are. Maybe a disclaimer that only knowledgable people submit requests. I
apologize if I upset a few but thanks all for your help. My overcatious
nature tends to make me check all procedures due to the damage a change may
cause. I did read all the links but they were for an XP clean install and I
was told I had to have the Windows 98 SE in the system prior to running the
upgrade.

Daave said:
JohnH said:
I attemted it and it did not ask for the 98 disk and went into
install.

Which directions are you using?

I suggest these:

"Clean Install Windows XP," which can be found at:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html

[Excerpt:]

"9. If you are using the upgrade version of XP on a computer without any
version of Windows currently installed, this is where you will replace
the XP CD with your qualifying CD, XP setup will scan the qualifying CD
and instruct you to replace it with the XP CD to continue XP setup;
otherwise, you will not see this screen. Clean install qualifying media
can be any of the following Win NT3.51, 4.0, 2000, Win 95, 98, Me and XP
Home when upgrading to XP Pro."

I know you said you had a dodgy version of XP Pro installed on your PC,
but this is immaterial because you are performing a clean install. And
as long as you have qualifying media (e.g., a Windows 98 installation
disk), you can perform a clean install with your Windows XP Upgrade
disc.

*Do* you have an installation disk for 98? Or is it merely an OEM
recovery disk? If the latter, this could be problem. See:

[Excerpt:]

"You will need to have a qualifying Win98/Me/2000 CD to insert if you
are using an upgrade version of XP to clean install. OEM restore disks
will usually not fulfill the qualifying requirement. If the restore disk
has a i386 folder, it will usually work."

So what kind of 98 disc do you have?

Oh, and...
READ THE DIRECTIONS CAREFULLY!!!
 
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Patrick Keenan

JohnH said:
I was given a computer with a pirated XP Pro on it and found out only after
running the validation software. Needless to say, I want this pc above
board and want to install Windows 98 SE and then XP Home Upgade.

Whoah! You do NOT need to do this. You do NOT need to install W98 first.
Don't do it this way! It's a wholly unnecessary waste if time.

Boot from the XP Home Upgrade CD, NOT the Win9X CD. The W9X CD is only
for showing proof of purchase.

Start the XP Home Upgrade install, and you will be asked for the W98 CD.
Put it in, and after a few moments you'll be asked for the XP Cd to proceed
with the XP install. You could potentially need an ME CD for this.

You can then put the W98 CD away. This one step is all you need to keep
that CD for. Moments, not hours, and no trash written to drive and
promptly overwritten.

You'll next be asked where to install to, and this is where you will remove
listed partitions, recreate them, and then format them. And that step is
going to take care of your next concern....
I also want
to remove any traces of the old owner as you never know what they put on
the
hard drive(ie..kiddie porn).

You arent'g going to need to worry about that, because your plan, as stated,
requires formatting the drive. Best to start with removing and recreating
the partitions, but the point is the same: You will have to clear the
drive to do what you want to do.

Or, better yet, leave the drive as it is. Instead, take it out and replace
it. It is trivial to do this, and cheap. A new 80 gig drive, will be
under CDN$50. In fact, this afternoon I purchased a new 250 gig SATA drive
for CDN$75.

Once done, you have *no* cause for concern over anything the previous owner
had on the system. And, this will give you some options in future as to
its contents, and remove concerns over the life left in that drive. Just
wrap up the drive, identify it, and set it aside for now.

Take the old drive out, put the new one in. Buy the same type (IDE - IDE,
or SATA - SATA), get the biggest cache you can, and set the jumpers the same
on the new one as the old.

If you're unsure, take the old drive with you to the store, and say "I need
a new one that connects like this". Get one with more space, higher RPM's
(to a max of 7200) and a larger cache. These will make the system seem
faster and last longer. While you're there, ask them to set the jumpers
the same (assuming it isn't SATA, where that doesn't apply).

Take the new drive home, plug it in, let the BIOS detect it, and start the
install.
I need detailed advice on how to proceed. I
would also like to keep some of the programs that were loaded on it if
possible.

That's not going to be possible given what you want to do.

In the first place, if the OS is pirated, it's very likely that apps were
too, and those will require activation as well. And it appears you wished
to legitimize the system.

In the second first place, removing the old XP Pro and installing XP Home
requires formatting the drive. The apps will be *gone*.

In the third third place, those apps will need to be reinstalled due to the
hundreds of registry entries and files they create. You just can't copy
them. For most serious apps, that simply doesn't work.
I hope someone can help and guide me through this as I have found
confusing information on how to proceed and in what order.

See above.
Thanks in advance
to all who can help.

Do some Google searching on "Clean Install XP". The only difference is
the bit making the Upgrade CD work, and you have the disk for that.

I would suggest that you do consider replacing the hard drive. Then, if
you have any problems during the upgrade install, you can be *certain* that
it has nothing to do with what was on the drive before. And that certainty
may well be worth the price of the drive.

HTH
-pk
 
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Patrick Keenan

JohnH said:
I purchased a new Windows 98 SE OS full product with the product key.

Frankly, you don't need the W98 key. You need the CD for about a minute,
and will never be asked for the key.

This assumes that the XP CD you have *is* an Upgrade version, which is only
available in retail packaging.

< I did
not previously have this and you all were right that they would ask for it
and that is why I bought it. I did not mean to offend to PC gods by
simply
asking more questions but I must of misunderstood what this newsgroup
purpose
was. I thought it was to help people who were not proficient by those who
are. Maybe a disclaimer that only knowledgable people submit requests. I
apologize if I upset a few but thanks all for your help. My overcatious
nature tends to make me check all procedures due to the damage a change
may
cause. I did read all the links but they were for an XP clean install and
I
was told I had to have the Windows 98 SE in the system prior to running
the
upgrade.

This is incorrect information. The drive can be brand-new, with no created
partitions, or the upgrade can run from an installed 98 system.

What you do have to have, for the upgrade qualification, is a proof of
purchase - and that can be a CD that doesnt even have to be yours. There
are no ownership or validation checks on this, aside from qualifying version
(i.e Win98 woin't work).

HTH
-pk

Daave said:
JohnH said:
I attemted it and it did not ask for the 98 disk and went into
install.

Which directions are you using?

I suggest these:

"Clean Install Windows XP," which can be found at:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html

[Excerpt:]

"9. If you are using the upgrade version of XP on a computer without any
version of Windows currently installed, this is where you will replace
the XP CD with your qualifying CD, XP setup will scan the qualifying CD
and instruct you to replace it with the XP CD to continue XP setup;
otherwise, you will not see this screen. Clean install qualifying media
can be any of the following Win NT3.51, 4.0, 2000, Win 95, 98, Me and XP
Home when upgrading to XP Pro."

I know you said you had a dodgy version of XP Pro installed on your PC,
but this is immaterial because you are performing a clean install. And
as long as you have qualifying media (e.g., a Windows 98 installation
disk), you can perform a clean install with your Windows XP Upgrade
disc.

*Do* you have an installation disk for 98? Or is it merely an OEM
recovery disk? If the latter, this could be problem. See:

[Excerpt:]

"You will need to have a qualifying Win98/Me/2000 CD to insert if you
are using an upgrade version of XP to clean install. OEM restore disks
will usually not fulfill the qualifying requirement. If the restore disk
has a i386 folder, it will usually work."

So what kind of 98 disc do you have?

Oh, and...
READ THE DIRECTIONS CAREFULLY!!!
 
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Plato

=?Utf-8?B?Sm9obkg=?= said:
I was given a computer with a pirated XP Pro on it and found out only after

The first thing to do in such a case is delete all partitions and then
install the OS you want to totally fresh.
 
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Lil' Dave

JohnH said:
I was given a computer with a pirated XP Pro on it and found out only after
running the validation software. Needless to say, I want this pc above
board and want to install Windows 98 SE and then XP Home Upgade. I also
want
to remove any traces of the old owner as you never know what they put on
the
hard drive(ie..kiddie porn). I need detailed advice on how to proceed. I
would also like to keep some of the programs that were loaded on it if
possible. I hope someone can help and guide me through this as I have
found
confusing information on how to proceed and in what order. Thanks in
advance
to all who can help.

Simple steps:

1. Using the hard drive manufacturers software on boot media appropriate to
your PC, write zeroes to the hard drive.

2. Boot from the XP upgrade installation CD, when it seeks a qualifying
product for upgrade, remove the CD and put the 98SE install CD in the tray
and close. Install XP as usual including creating partition/formatting
(formatting has no visible cue and happens automatically when creating a
partition).

See step 5, you might want to image this first before proceeding.

3. Install motherboard drivers and any other the drivers the PC and
peripherals may require. DO NOT get any hardware drivers from MS update.

4. Install 3rd party application software.

5. When satisfied with installation and your tweaks, backup the PC to a
removable hard drive with imaging software. Keep removable hard drive
offline until you intend to restore this. Or, if you want to image your XP
again for changes made. Never overwrite the original XP installation image.

6. Activate XP. Get any online updates appropriate to XP Home, and your
3rd party applications.

Dave
 
T

Tim Slattery

JohnH said:
That is where I am at. I put the windows 98 cd in and rebooted but it still
loads the windows XP Pro.

Boot from the XP CD. It should present you with some options,
including formatting the disk and installing from scratch. Do that. At
some point in the process, since it's an upgrade disk, it will ask you
for proof of a qualifying product. Put the Win98 CD in the drive at
that point. When the install routine has satisfied itself, it will ask
you to put the XP CD back in the drive and continue on its merry way.
 
B

Bob I

Your statement indicates that you haven't read through the procedure at
the link provided. Please read through it, as your situation is
explicitly covered in step 10b.
 
K

Ken Blake

That is where I am at. I put the windows 98 cd in and rebooted but it
still
loads the windows XP Pro.


No, you're doing this wrong. First of all, you do *not* need to install
Windows 98 at all.
The requirement to use an upgrade version of Windows XP is to *own* a
previous qualifying version's installation CD , not to have it installed.
When setup doesn't find a previous qualifying version installed, it will
prompt you to insert its CD as proof of ownership. Just insert the previous
version's CD, and follow the prompts. Everything proceeds quite normally and
quite legitimately.

What you should be doing is booting from the Windows XP CD and doing a
clean installation from there. To boot from the CD, you have to go into the
BIOS setup program, and set the CD to be the first boot device.
 

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