Set up External Drive on Network

[JohnH]

Exactly.

and based on what I see coming through for recovery.

With the emphasys on "see".

This is also supported by semiconductor quality today. Except for some
known cases (the last one was the problem with new flame retardant
that killed a series of Fujitsu drives several years back),
semiconductors reliability is quite predictable.

However they have a limited lifetime

'Limited' as in decades.

and that derates with the operating temperature. Rule of thumb is half
the lifetime for each 10C more.

(Applies to logic and memory.

As if memory is no logic.

Power semiconductors are less sensitive.)

And guess what produces heat the most?

The base point seems to have shifted up in the last decades, at the
moment it possibly is around 50 years at 50C. There is also
catastrophic failure temperature at 150...200C chip temperature,
depending on technology.

So for 7 years lifetime you can turn the heat up to 80C and
leave it on 24/7. Switch it off at nights and you can go to 90C.

Today, if a chip works for some months or years and then fails, it is
allmost allways due to temperature.

Or just old age in combination with a production flaw.

Example: Run a chip at 90C (chip, not package surface temperature),

and get something like 1.9 years of lifetime.

You gotta love Swiss math:
50y 50C
25y 60C
12.5y 70C
6.75y 80C
3.4y 90C
1.7y 100C

(Everything works differently in Swissland apparently, even math)

In addition chips have "hot spots", were the local temperature is
significantly higher than the overall chip temperature. Especially
pocessor lik structures suffer from this, which includes controller
chips on disks and chipsets.

In short, if a semiconductor fails prematurely, but after working
for some time,

it was in most cases insufficiently cooled

Because of a design or production flaw in the chip.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Yep, really.


Your pig ignorance is your problem, as always.


Have fun explaining all those drives out
there in external enclosures that havent died.

Thats the problem with individuals like you,
you dont even see the drives that havent died.

Hey Odoriferous, what did you do to Roddles to earn this treatment.
Forgot to send Rodney his monthly payment for him referring people
to your business, is it?

 

[Fred]

Let me guess, from the little voice inside your head?

Convection combined with conduction is reasonably simple.
Guess what this enclosure is using ....

That's no surprise, really, Odoriferous.

Your choice, obviously. But you're wrong.

Well, there is a reason so many bad enclosures and external disks
are sold. Most people just don't undertsnad thermal management
and what heat does.

But professor Babble Bot obviously does undertsnad thermal management.
As he so eloquently demonstrated last time when he had to correct almost
each and every statement he made.

Agreed.

Pssst: It's an empty enclosure, it doesnt come with a drive at all.
He has a Seagate that he can put in it.

Which you would have known if you had bothered to read the post
before you jumped on backing up your playpen-friend Odoriferous.

 

[Arno Wagner]

Guess who has just got egg all over its face, yet again.

Rather obvious....

Arno

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Rod Speed wrote:
Rod Speed wrote
Folkert Rienstra wrote
[snip]

Irrelevant to the situation being discussed, a hard drive in an
external enclosure which doesnt have adequate fan cooling.

That wont produce temperatures anything like that.
You obviously have never taken a thermometer
to the chips on a disk or mainboard chipset.

Guess who has just got egg all over its face, yet again.

Rather obvious....

Yup, it's the one that has Rod Speed in his killfile to keep him
from responding to his postings. And how well it is working.

 

[Odie Ferrous]

Pssst: It's an empty enclosure, it doesnt come with a drive at all.
He has a Seagate that he can put in it.

Which you would have known if you had bothered to read the post
before you jumped on backing up your playpen-friend Odoriferous.

Does it matter? The fact is, they showed the external drive fitted with
a Maxtor drive.

Whether or not they physically supply Maxtor or not, it's the same
message.

Or are you totally incapable of reading between the lines?

I suggest the latter.

So, Fred, please make sure you know what you are talking about before
posting drivel.

I suggest you pass on discussions relating to hard drives - your
knowledge is scant, and you seem quite vindictive, rather than
informative.


Odie

 

[Odie Ferrous]

Hey Odoriferous, what did you do to Roddles to earn this treatment.
Forgot to send Rodney his monthly payment for him referring people
to your business, is it?

Don't know, Folkert. I'm reeling from the shock of it all!


Odie

 

[Rod Speed]

Fred wrote

Does it matter? The fact is, they showed
the external drive fitted with a Maxtor drive.

Whether or not they physically supply Maxtor or not, it's the same message.

Or are you totally incapable of reading between the lines?

I suggest the latter.

So, Fred, please make sure you know what
you are talking about before posting drivel.

You in spades, child.

I suggest you pass on discussions relating to hard drives - your knowledge
is scant, and you seem quite vindictive, rather than informative.

You cant even manage to grasp that I initially posted that way to get around
Arno's killfile, and then ****nert played silly buggers like he always does.

That's actually ****nert above.

 

[Odie Ferrous]

You in spades, child.


You cant even manage to grasp that I initially posted that way to get around
Arno's killfile, and then ****nert played silly buggers like he always does.

That's actually ****nert above.

Sorry - but all this hidden identity stuff is beyond me. I have to
claim total innocence.


Odie