services in vista

[Guest]

I have disabled some services that I do not want running but they still seem
to want to start. How can I disable them so they will not run? The services
in question are: security center, windows Defender. There are other services
like Bluetooth that I don't use and the laptop does not have anyway and they
do not cause any problems.

I can right click on the icon in the tray and turn off security center, but
it still should not even start when the service is disabled.

Defender puts an icon in the tray stating that it failed to start, and I
have to right click it and choose exit. This just doesn't seem right.

 

[Guest]

You cannot disable those services. There are protections in Vista that
prevents the security-relevant services from being disabled, under normal
operations.

 

[Robert Moir]

I have disabled some services that I do not want running but they still
seem
to want to start. How can I disable them so they will not run? The
services
in question are: security center, windows Defender. There are other
services
like Bluetooth that I don't use and the laptop does not have anyway and
they
do not cause any problems.

I can right click on the icon in the tray and turn off security center,
but
it still should not even start when the service is disabled.

Defender puts an icon in the tray stating that it failed to start, and I
have to right click it and choose exit. This just doesn't seem right.

Can't comment on Security Centre (not sure why you would want this turned
off?).

Defender comes in two parts, the service that runs in the background and
does what it does - you've disabled this already, and a program that runs at
startup to interact with the user.

You've disabled the service and left the startup program running, and the
startup program is complaining that it can't connect to the service. This
makes sense enough to me, I have to say. Stop the startup program too, and
all should be well.

 

[Guest]

Thank you for the suggestions. could not run the takeown commands. Took
ownership via the properties option. Used msconfig to turn off Defender-it
still seems to want to start. No more SC though.

Thank you again.
Phil

 

[Guest]

Do I need to point out that you just voided Microsoft's support on your
system?

 

[Guest]

And......................................

You've disabled crucial features of the operating system. It is now anyone's
guess whether the system will work properly, whether you can install any new
programs, updates or service packs, whether the system is still considered
genuine for purposes of downloading add-ons from Microsoft, or whether the
system will even continue to run properly over the longer term.

The OS was designed around these features being there and available. It has
not been tested without them.

 

[Guest]

I think you misunderstand my intention. I have no interest in trying to
persuade you, in arguing over why your testing cannot possibly come close to
three years worth on about a million systems done by Microsoft and others, or
even in trying to argue why your interpretation of laws is more accurate than
that of the hordes of lawyers who crafted Microsoft's EULA.

My only intent is to make sure that this thread reflects the impact of this
type of modification on your system; lest future readers find this idea to
have some form of merit and destroy their systems with it, on the premise
that it was given as advice in a Microsoft-sponsored newsgroup. Disabling
fundamental security features of the operating system is a terrible idea,
made even worse by the fact that nobody has yet made a valid argument for why
this should be done, apart from that the features apparently offend someone
for some unstated reason.

 

[Robert Moir]

I think you misunderstand my intention. I have no interest in trying to
persuade you, in arguing over why your testing cannot possibly come close
to
three years worth on about a million systems done by Microsoft and others,
or
even in trying to argue why your interpretation of laws is more accurate
than
that of the hordes of lawyers who crafted Microsoft's EULA.

My only intent is to make sure that this thread reflects the impact of
this
type of modification on your system; lest future readers find this idea to
have some form of merit and destroy their systems with it, on the premise
that it was given as advice in a Microsoft-sponsored newsgroup. Disabling
fundamental security features of the operating system is a terrible idea,
made even worse by the fact that nobody has yet made a valid argument for
why
this should be done, apart from that the features apparently offend
someone
for some unstated reason.

The reason I turned Defender off (without resorting to such crude hacks as
the ones detailed here) is because I already have a paid subscription to an
anti-spyware program i consder more effective. Without getting into the
debate over whether my opinion is "right" or not about which program is
better, I think that is in principle a fair reason to disable Defender.

 

[Robert Moir]

Any Reason you care to mention is a fair reason, it's your choice.

Well.. yes, I know that. But I respect Jesper's opinions and so when he
asked for a reason to turn defender off, I thought I'd present mine.