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Curt Christianson
Unknown,
First off, with all due respect to diplomacy (and just plain **ickensh**),
I'm taking no sides here.
Did you happen to read my little story to b11 and "proprietary" equipment?
Was in the 98 group I think.
Dell learned the hard way! Just because it says genuine Dell didn't mean
much for a while. To their credit, they did remedy the mess. For anyone
even remotely short of being a novice is sure disaster.
--
HTH,
Curt
Windows Support Center
www.aumha.org
Practically Nerded,...
http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
| The wiring diagrams for most power supplies are proprietary in nature.
They
| rather you buy a new one than repair.
| I repair them however.
| | > You gentleman may be way ahead of me, but Get a copy of Scott Meullers
| > book
| > at your local bookstore. It delves into PSU's among a myriad of other
| > things.
| >
| > It's kind of considered a bible of sorts.
| >
| > "Upgrading and Repairing PC's," and only the publisher knows how many
darn
| > many editions are in print by now--it's *that* good. At least 2" thick,
| > with either CD or DVD versions including old editions of the book
| >
| > BTW, I tried to turn b11 onto that book as the single best publication
on
| > the market, but I fear it fell on deaf ears.
| >
| > --
| > HTH,
| > Curt
| >
| > Windows Support Center
| > www.aumha.org
| > Practically Nerded,...
| > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
| >
| > | > | It is by far the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard of whether
there
| > is
| > | a site explaining it or not.
| > | Ask any good electronics engineer.
| > | 1.Just two examples of many. How do you control power good? Power
good
| > is
| > | developed when all power is available and then used as a reset for
the
| > | computer.
| > | 2. How do you eliminate ground loops?. The computer will be so
unstable
| > as
| > | to make it useless. .
| > | | > | > Why will that matter? You really should read things twice before
you
| > | > post! The primary PSU will still controll all of these features,
the
| > | > second PSU is "supplementary", maybe b11 wants to put a disco ball
in
| > his
| > | > computer! The other link that I gave to b11 shows how to use more
| > than
| > | > one PSU and it gives reasons as to why someone might want to do so.
| > After
| > | > I read it and thought about what it is that "moders" do the idea
| > started
| > | > making a bit more sense, even though I wouldn't use or recommend
using
| > 2
| > | > PSU's I now have a better understanding of why some may want to do
so
| > and
| > | > it isn't such a far fetched idea after all.
| > | >
| > | > John
| > | >
| > | > Unknown wrote:
| > | >
| > | >> Once again as usual you don't understand. How for example is power
| > | >> on/off, standby, and hibernate incorporated on the on/off switch.
| > | >> | > | >>
| > | >>>Once again, as usual, you don't research anything and you argue
about
| > | >>>things you know nothing about. If there is a load on the 5v line
| > (b11's
| > | >>>hard drive provides that) the PSU should start. It wasn't my
| > intentions
| > | >>>to search for b11's project but because it is apparent that you
can't
| > use
| > | >>>a search engine I did a quick search and found this:
| > || > | >>>
| > | >>>Now, before you come back with more arguments, I should make it
| > perfectly
| > | >>>clear that I do not endorse b11's idea or recommend that anyone try
| > what
| > | >>>he is doing! He could very well fry his whole computer with his
| > | >>>inventions but that is b11's problems, not mine. If he wants to
| > | >>>"thinker" he will have to do his research and homework. Another
| > poster
| > | >>>in another group (b11 multi-posted to other groups) informed b11
that
| > he
| > | >>>may also need a 'power good' signal for the PSU to keep operating,
so
| > | >>>maybe he needs to do more that close the PS-ON circuit for this to
| > work,
| > | >>>b11 will have to do his research and find out for himself what need
| > to
| > be
| > | >>>done for his project and tinkering to work as he intends.
| > | >>>
| > | >>>John
| > | >>>
| > | >>>Unknown wrote:
| > | >>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>>>I don't believe that is true at all. If it were as you say, power
| > would
| > | >>>>come on as soon as it were plugged in.
| > | >>>>That is not the case. When the switch is pushed in it provides a
| > start
| > | >>>>pulse to the power supply. That requires a
| > | >>>>normally open switch. All computer power supplies are 'switch
mode'
| > and
| > | >>>>require a start pulse.
| > | >>>>Also, if true as you say, power would immediately drop as soon as
| > the
| > | >>>>power on button was pushed in.
| > | >>>>That is not the case. It must be held in for at least four
seconds.
| > | >>>>| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>>Yes, exactly. In a computer the main switch on the power supply
is
| > | >>>>>always on, you don't switch that off when you turn off the
| > computer,
| > | >>>>>you open the PS-ON circuit (pres the on/off button) and the power
| > | >>>>>supply turns off. Think of the lights in your living room, when
you
| > | >>>>>want to turn them off you don't go to the main power panel and
| > switch
| > | >>>>>it off, you flip the light switch. If you throw the main switch
| > from
| > | >>>>>the off to the on position at the power panel, if the light
switch
| > is
| > | >>>>>off in the living room the lights won't come on, the same deal
with
| > the
| > | >>>>>power supply, you have to close or complete the PS-ON circuit,
that
| > is
| > | >>>>>the equivalent of the light switch in the living room. You can
use
| > the
| > | >>>>>main switch on the power supply if you want but to do so you will
| > have
| > | >>>>>to close the PS-On wire to the ground wire, do some searching on
| > the
| > | >>>>>net and you should find out more about the wire assignement for
the
| > | >>>>>PS-ON wire, then stick a wire
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>>from it to the ground, or wire it to a small switch or use
| > alligator
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>>clamps to close the circuit.
| > | >>>>>
| > | >>>>>John
| > | >>>>>
| > | >>>>>b11_ wrote:
| > | >>>>>
| > | >>>>>
| > | >>>>>
| > | >>>>>>I flipped the on-off switch on the external, supplemental,
power
| > | >>>>>>supple to on but that power supple did not turn-on. Are you
| > saying
| > | >>>>>>that I _ALSO_ must complete a circuit to get that power supple
to
| > turn
| > | >>>>>>on?
| > | >>>>>>__________________________________________________________
| > | >>>>>>"John John" wrote:
| > | >>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>>Buy a bigger proper power supply? The circuit has to be
| > completed
| > on
| > | >>>>>>>the PS-ON wire if you want the power supply to run. In other
| > words
| > | >>>>>>>the switch is off until you complete that circuit, the same as
| > when
| > | >>>>>>>you press the on switch on a computer.
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>>John
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>>b11_ wrote:
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>>>I am trying to use a spare power supply as a supplemental
power
| > | >>>>>>>>supply. There is no room in the case for a second power supply
| > so
| > I
| > | >>>>>>>>put it outside the case and threaded the cables through the
back
| > of
| > | >>>>>>>>the computer case then attached the cables to unattached hard
| > | >>>>>>>>drives. Then, I turned-on the spare, external, power supple
then
| > | >>>>>>>>turned-on the internal power supple but the spare, external
| > power
| > | >>>>>>>>supple did not turn-on. What should I do?
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
First off, with all due respect to diplomacy (and just plain **ickensh**),
I'm taking no sides here.
Did you happen to read my little story to b11 and "proprietary" equipment?
Was in the 98 group I think.
Dell learned the hard way! Just because it says genuine Dell didn't mean
much for a while. To their credit, they did remedy the mess. For anyone
even remotely short of being a novice is sure disaster.
--
HTH,
Curt
Windows Support Center
www.aumha.org
Practically Nerded,...
http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
| The wiring diagrams for most power supplies are proprietary in nature.
They
| rather you buy a new one than repair.
| I repair them however.
| | > You gentleman may be way ahead of me, but Get a copy of Scott Meullers
| > book
| > at your local bookstore. It delves into PSU's among a myriad of other
| > things.
| >
| > It's kind of considered a bible of sorts.
| >
| > "Upgrading and Repairing PC's," and only the publisher knows how many
darn
| > many editions are in print by now--it's *that* good. At least 2" thick,
| > with either CD or DVD versions including old editions of the book
| >
| > BTW, I tried to turn b11 onto that book as the single best publication
on
| > the market, but I fear it fell on deaf ears.
| >
| > --
| > HTH,
| > Curt
| >
| > Windows Support Center
| > www.aumha.org
| > Practically Nerded,...
| > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
| >
| > | > | It is by far the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard of whether
there
| > is
| > | a site explaining it or not.
| > | Ask any good electronics engineer.
| > | 1.Just two examples of many. How do you control power good? Power
good
| > is
| > | developed when all power is available and then used as a reset for
the
| > | computer.
| > | 2. How do you eliminate ground loops?. The computer will be so
unstable
| > as
| > | to make it useless. .
| > | | > | > Why will that matter? You really should read things twice before
you
| > | > post! The primary PSU will still controll all of these features,
the
| > | > second PSU is "supplementary", maybe b11 wants to put a disco ball
in
| > his
| > | > computer! The other link that I gave to b11 shows how to use more
| > than
| > | > one PSU and it gives reasons as to why someone might want to do so.
| > After
| > | > I read it and thought about what it is that "moders" do the idea
| > started
| > | > making a bit more sense, even though I wouldn't use or recommend
using
| > 2
| > | > PSU's I now have a better understanding of why some may want to do
so
| > and
| > | > it isn't such a far fetched idea after all.
| > | >
| > | > John
| > | >
| > | > Unknown wrote:
| > | >
| > | >> Once again as usual you don't understand. How for example is power
| > | >> on/off, standby, and hibernate incorporated on the on/off switch.
| > | >> | > | >>
| > | >>>Once again, as usual, you don't research anything and you argue
about
| > | >>>things you know nothing about. If there is a load on the 5v line
| > (b11's
| > | >>>hard drive provides that) the PSU should start. It wasn't my
| > intentions
| > | >>>to search for b11's project but because it is apparent that you
can't
| > use
| > | >>>a search engine I did a quick search and found this:
| > || > | >>>
| > | >>>Now, before you come back with more arguments, I should make it
| > perfectly
| > | >>>clear that I do not endorse b11's idea or recommend that anyone try
| > what
| > | >>>he is doing! He could very well fry his whole computer with his
| > | >>>inventions but that is b11's problems, not mine. If he wants to
| > | >>>"thinker" he will have to do his research and homework. Another
| > poster
| > | >>>in another group (b11 multi-posted to other groups) informed b11
that
| > he
| > | >>>may also need a 'power good' signal for the PSU to keep operating,
so
| > | >>>maybe he needs to do more that close the PS-ON circuit for this to
| > work,
| > | >>>b11 will have to do his research and find out for himself what need
| > to
| > be
| > | >>>done for his project and tinkering to work as he intends.
| > | >>>
| > | >>>John
| > | >>>
| > | >>>Unknown wrote:
| > | >>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>>>I don't believe that is true at all. If it were as you say, power
| > would
| > | >>>>come on as soon as it were plugged in.
| > | >>>>That is not the case. When the switch is pushed in it provides a
| > start
| > | >>>>pulse to the power supply. That requires a
| > | >>>>normally open switch. All computer power supplies are 'switch
mode'
| > and
| > | >>>>require a start pulse.
| > | >>>>Also, if true as you say, power would immediately drop as soon as
| > the
| > | >>>>power on button was pushed in.
| > | >>>>That is not the case. It must be held in for at least four
seconds.
| > | >>>>| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>>Yes, exactly. In a computer the main switch on the power supply
is
| > | >>>>>always on, you don't switch that off when you turn off the
| > computer,
| > | >>>>>you open the PS-ON circuit (pres the on/off button) and the power
| > | >>>>>supply turns off. Think of the lights in your living room, when
you
| > | >>>>>want to turn them off you don't go to the main power panel and
| > switch
| > | >>>>>it off, you flip the light switch. If you throw the main switch
| > from
| > | >>>>>the off to the on position at the power panel, if the light
switch
| > is
| > | >>>>>off in the living room the lights won't come on, the same deal
with
| > the
| > | >>>>>power supply, you have to close or complete the PS-ON circuit,
that
| > is
| > | >>>>>the equivalent of the light switch in the living room. You can
use
| > the
| > | >>>>>main switch on the power supply if you want but to do so you will
| > have
| > | >>>>>to close the PS-On wire to the ground wire, do some searching on
| > the
| > | >>>>>net and you should find out more about the wire assignement for
the
| > | >>>>>PS-ON wire, then stick a wire
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>>from it to the ground, or wire it to a small switch or use
| > alligator
| > | >>>>
| > | >>>>>clamps to close the circuit.
| > | >>>>>
| > | >>>>>John
| > | >>>>>
| > | >>>>>b11_ wrote:
| > | >>>>>
| > | >>>>>
| > | >>>>>
| > | >>>>>>I flipped the on-off switch on the external, supplemental,
power
| > | >>>>>>supple to on but that power supple did not turn-on. Are you
| > saying
| > | >>>>>>that I _ALSO_ must complete a circuit to get that power supple
to
| > turn
| > | >>>>>>on?
| > | >>>>>>__________________________________________________________
| > | >>>>>>"John John" wrote:
| > | >>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>>Buy a bigger proper power supply? The circuit has to be
| > completed
| > on
| > | >>>>>>>the PS-ON wire if you want the power supply to run. In other
| > words
| > | >>>>>>>the switch is off until you complete that circuit, the same as
| > when
| > | >>>>>>>you press the on switch on a computer.
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>>John
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>>b11_ wrote:
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>>>>>I am trying to use a spare power supply as a supplemental
power
| > | >>>>>>>>supply. There is no room in the case for a second power supply
| > so
| > I
| > | >>>>>>>>put it outside the case and threaded the cables through the
back
| > of
| > | >>>>>>>>the computer case then attached the cables to unattached hard
| > | >>>>>>>>drives. Then, I turned-on the spare, external, power supple
then
| > | >>>>>>>>turned-on the internal power supple but the spare, external
| > power
| > | >>>>>>>>supple did not turn-on. What should I do?
| > | >>>>>>>
| > | >>>>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|