Seagate 160GB read problem

[HeSh]

Last week i bought 160GB Seagate HDD (ST3160812A). It was working fin
until few days ago when it failed reading contents of few folders
Later it reported more and more reading errors until finnaly window
failed to recognize the drive partition

Drive is there, and windows can see it but cannot access the partitio
and data. I ran a SMART diagnostics and it reported a warrning on "Ra
read error rate" wich was around 50 or even lower

As i see it, the disk constantly fails to read. I managed to run
recovery tool but all it managed to get is incomplete director
structure. Any file i try to recover cannot be red (or at leas
90%)

Is there a way to fix this? I can easily get a new HDD with warrent
but i want my data back

Here is some more info
Raw Read Rate: Current 54, Worst 3
Seek Error Rate: Current 69, Worst 6
Hardware ECC Covered: Current 52, Worst 4

 

[Arno Wagner]

Last week i bought 160GB Seagate HDD (ST3160812A). It was working fine
until few days ago when it failed reading contents of few folders.
Later it reported more and more reading errors until finnaly windows
failed to recognize the drive partition.

Drive is there, and windows can see it but cannot access the partition
and data. I ran a SMART diagnostics and it reported a warrning on "Raw
read error rate" wich was around 50 or even lower.

As i see it, the disk constantly fails to read. I managed to run a
recovery tool but all it managed to get is incomplete directory
structure. Any file i try to recover cannot be red (or at least
90%).

Is there a way to fix this? I can easily get a new HDD with warrenty
but i want my data back.

Here is some more info:
Raw Read Rate: Current 54, Worst 39
Seek Error Rate: Current 69, Worst 60
Hardware ECC Covered: Current 52, Worst 45

A retryable read error means the data in that sector is gone for
most paractical purpose (unless you are prepared to spend an
indecent amount of money). So get your data back from the
backup (if you have not got one, the you just learned something...)

As to the disk, it can be a disk issue, it can also be a bad PSU
or unstable mounting.

Arno

 

[Alice Rembrant]

What are you talking about. People allways backup. Do you think people
are MORONS !!!!

 

[HeSh]

Alice Rembrantwrote:
What are you talking about. People allways backup. Do you think
people

are MORONS !!!!

Guess what? :x
Actually i have a backup of my most important projects, but as the HDD
is only 1 week old, you don't expect it to die so soon. As such, i
have no backup of 90% of stuff..... sucks.

I don't care about multimedia stuff, but there are some things i'd
like back.

 

[HeSh]

Arno Wagnerwrote
As to the disk, it can be a disk issue, it can also be a bad PS

or unstable mounting.

Well... it was mouted (or the better word would be "placed")... on
book that's laying on the floor of my room. But i don't thin
that's the issue. I had tons of HDDs working in that position fo
years. And all were seagate. This is the first one to fail

 

[Rod Speed]

Arno Wagner wrote

Well... it was mouted (or the better word would be "placed")...
on a book that's laying on the floor of my room. But i don't
think that's the issue. I had tons of HDDs working in that position
for years. And all were seagate. This is the first one to fail.

Some of the Seagates can get stinking hot when run like that,
essentially because they rely on conduction to the metal drive
bay stack to cool them. You may well have killed it.

Check the drive temperature using Everest
http://www.lavalys.com/products/overview.php?pid=1&lang=en

anything over about 50C is undesirable, over 65C very undesirable.

 

[Arno Wagner]

What are you talking about. People allways backup. Do you think people
are MORONS !!!!

It is something that needs to be restated over and over again. And no,
somebody not a PC hardware specialist needs not be a moron in order to
not have a backup.

Arno

A retryable read error means the data in that sector is gone for
most paractical purpose (unless you are prepared to spend an
indecent amount of money). So get your data back from the
backup (if you have not got one, the you just learned something...)

As to the disk, it can be a disk issue, it can also be a bad PSU
or unstable mounting.

Arno

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[dannysdailys]

HeShwrote
[quote:1aa847b202="Alice Rembrant"]What are you talking about. Peopl
allways backup. Do you think peopl

are MORONS !!!

Guess what? :x
Actually i have a backup of my most important projects, but as the HD
is only 1 week old, you don't expect it to die so soon. As such,
have no backup of 90% of stuff..... sucks

I don't care about multimedia stuff, but there are some things i'
like back.[/quote:1aa847b202

Sorry, you're incorrect: It's common knowledge a hard drive wil
almost always pack up in the first month, if it's going to pack up a
all

Also, if you read any of the boards, most hard drive trouble thes
days seems to revolve around Seagate hard drives. I wouldn't ow
one, for any price. Maxtors will also fail if they're not properl
cooled

 

[HeSh]

I know how it works with HDDs, the longer they last the greater the
possibility they will last even longer. Wich is totaly different way
of thinking than with other things. And i got carried away by that
"OOO I finnaly got new storage".

And regarding Seagate. I had and still have seagate drives wich
function in 100% health (80GB, 60GB and some smaller ones). I really
didn't expect this to happen.

Oh well... things turned out to be much better then expected. I
managed to salvage some things from old HDDs. You can't believe what
you can find in those uncharted territories of your HDD.
And of course... lesson learned. Will change this Seagate for Maxtor
or WD.

Some of the Seagates can get stinking hot when run like that,
essentially because they rely on conduction to the metal drive
bay stack to cool them. You may well have killed it.

Hardly, the temp was always around 40-45 deg. It's pretty cool in the
room, the temp was much higher in the case.

 

[silenuswise]

Hi all-

I have what appears to be a similar problem with a Seagate 40G
external hard drive: neither a PC (what I normally use) nor a Ma
will read it (PC's message= "USB Device not recognized"). My tec
support friend did a USB probe from his Mac and we found that the Ma
was recognizing the drive as a generic USB device, but couldn'
read/recognize the signature. I originally thought I had screwe
things up by copying some files from a Mac and transferring them to
PC (i.e., the Mac re-initialized it, presumably), but the very next P
I used recognized the drive just fine--it was onl
after this that the drive was no longe
recognized. Seagate was little help (offered the minimum $500 dat
recovery), and I still can't rule out the possibility that th
problem is strictly physical, since for some reason the cord had t
be jiggled to get the Mac to probe it (never had a cord/jack proble
previously)

So before I commit to either A) an expensive data recovery with
retailer; B) a DYI taking apart of the drive; C) downloading som
software like "Get Data back" or "Stellar Phoenix" to try to retriev
the data myself (though this might not even be possible if the driv
can't be recognized on any machine, right?); or D) cut my data losse
and just get Seagate to replace the drive (it's under warranty still)
I want to see if anyone's been through this or has any ideas.

Sorry for the long post! And thanks in advance..

Cheers,

Silenu

 

[dannysdailys]

silenuswisewrote:
Hi all--

I have what appears to be a similar problem with a Seagate 40GB

external hard drive: neither a PC (what I normally use) nor a Mac
will read it (PC's message= "USB Device not recognized"). My tech
support friend did a USB probe from his Mac and we found that the Mac
was recognizing the drive as a generic USB device, but couldn't
read/recognize the signature. I originally thought I had scr**ed
things up by copying some files from a Mac and transferring them to a
PC (i.e., the Mac re-initialized it, presumably), but the very next PC
I used recognized the drive just fine--it was only
after this that the drive was no longer
recognized. Seagate was little help (offered the minimum $500 data
recovery), and I still can't rule out the possibility that the
problem is strictly physical, since for some reason the cord had to
be jiggled to get the Mac to probe it (never had a cord/jack problem
previously).

So before I commit to either A) an expensive data recovery with a

retailer; B) a DYI taking apart of the drive; C) downloading some
software like "Get Data back" or "Stellar Phoenix" to try to retrieve
the data myself (though this might not even be possible if the drive
can't be recognized on any machine, right?); or D) cut my data losses
and just get Seagate to replace the drive (it's under warranty still),
I want to see if anyone's been through this or has any ideas.

Sorry for the long post! And thanks in advance...

Cheers,

Silenus

I believe you lost your partition. And, jiggling the plug would do
it. There is a tool available, it'll tell you if you have this kind
of problem. If it can fix it, buy the full version; it's cheap.
http://www.ptdd.com/

Keep it in your tool box. I've used it a few times, but I run dual
RAID 1 arrays and partitions are easy to screw the pooch on.

Best of luck

 

[silenuswise]

Dan, thanks for your helpful (and very fast!) response--I'm going to
check out your link and see what I can find. Thanks again!

Best,

Silenus

 

[dannysdailys]

silenuswisewrote
Dan, thanks for your helpful (and very fast!) response--I'm going t
check out your link and see what I can find. Thanks again

Best

Silenu

As a side note. I'm no expert, but I don't believe you can mix Ma
and PC data. A PC formated drive will be either FAT 32 or NTFS. Ma
uses it's own. Perhaps the disk could be partitioned for say half an
half, but I don't know. I don't care for Mac's and never have.
have no knowledge of Mac's and never will. PC's are bad enough
there aren't enough hours in the day to know both as well as I know
PC. Besides, I don't want a "cute" computer

No matter, each to his own

I mention this not to slam Mac's; but because it's possible your Ma
might be messing your file system up. Probably not, but it's likel
why it couldn't read it. The loose plug will take your partitio
out, if indeed that's what the problem turns out to be

Here's an excellent article explaining the differences in the fil
systems
http://www.asy.com/files.ht

Cheer

 

[Eric Gisin]

LOL! Not a ****ing clue. You should run for president.

 

[Odie Ferrous]

Dan, thanks for your helpful (and very fast!) response--I'm going to
check out your link and see what I can find. Thanks again!

As a side note. I'm no expert, but I don't believe you can mix Mac
and PC data. A PC formated drive will be either FAT 32 or NTFS. Mac
uses it's own.

Mac OS9 and before will quite happily work with a FAT partition on a PC.

Mac OSX will work quite happily with both FAT and NTFS.


Perhaps the disk could be partitioned for say half and

half, but I don't know. I don't care for Mac's and never have.

I purchased my first Mac 10 days ago. Within 30 minutes, I came to the
conclusion that for general office / database / admin work the Mac
transcends the PC by a huge margin. Were it not for the wider array of
software and utilities available for the PC, and partly for the
upgradeability, I would move straight over to Macs. 11 days ago, I had
never, ever even touched a Mac - let alone switched it on and used it.

I wouldn't knock them. Their build quality is superb. Its like moving
from a Ford (PC) to a Bentley (Mac.)


I

have no knowledge of Mac's and never will. PC's are bad enough;
there aren't enough hours in the day to know both as well as I know a
PC. Besides, I don't want a "cute" computer.

Not much "cute" about the G5. It would look as good in a warehouse as
in a modern office.

No matter, each to his own.

I mention this not to slam Mac's; but because it's possible your Mac
might be messing your file system up. Probably not, but it's likely
why it couldn't read it. The loose plug will take your partition
out, if indeed that's what the problem turns out to be.

Here's an excellent article explaining the differences in the file
systems:
http://www.asy.com/files.htm

Cheers

Odie

 

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[HeSh]

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