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"_Vanguard_"
message | "Flemming Knudsen"
| message
| > Hi Eric
| > I think that you mentioned the right solution in your
original
| > posting.
| > Use Adobe Acrobat or another PDF generating software.
| > There is a very nice and cheap piece of software on
www.pdfprinter.dk.
| > Unfortunately this home page is in Danish, but you can
download a
| > fully
| > functional version from it.
| > Select the PRO version. It will watermark your your
pages if you write
| > more
| > than 5. It does not expire. From IE it only prints the
selected frame.
| > On the
| > first tab in the properties sheet you can change the
language to
| > English.
| > There are add-ins for Word and Excel
| > For ordering info write (e-mail address removed)
| >
| > Apart from that, I thing that you have a lousy Internet
bank if it
| > doesn't
| > have the option of downloading your account info as a
Excel file.
| >
| > Best regards
| > Flemming
| >
| > "Eric Anderson" wrote:
| >
| >> I understand what you are trying to say. Let me try to
explain what
| >> I think
| >> should happen by answering your comments. Obviously,
what I believe
| >> does
| >> not matter a hill of beans, but I think that when I
SAVE something, I
| >> should
| >> have total control of it after that time. If someone
wants to remove
| >> it
| >> from their site, I have SAVED it so I can recover it
whenever I want
| >> to.
| >> What good is saving something if it isn't saved (in
total). I
| >> respond to
| >> your specific comments below. I do understand what you
are saying,
| >> and I
| >> would like your take on my comments.
| >>
| >> "_Vanguard_"
| >> in
| >> message | >> >>
| >> > When you attempt to *save* the page, the browser is
going to *try*
| >> > to
| >> > yank all the components that were included in that
page, some of
| >> > which
| >> > is text, some of which might be linked images to
files that contain
| >> > those images, and some might be *generated* content
which never
| >> > does
| >> > exist in the STATIC web page but gets created when
you visit that
| >> > page
| >> > (and that page may not even exist on their server any
might get
| >> > completed generated on-the-fly and that content sent
to your
| >> > browser).
| >>
| >> On a computer, everything is generated in some way. A
Word file is
| >> assembled by the Microsoft Word application in memory.
When a person
| >> saves
| >> a web page, which is more important--being able to
recreate the
| >> static view
| >> being displayed on the screen or (at the whim of a
remote server
| >> still
| >> having the content) being able to recreate the exact
dynamic
| >> presentation
| >> that existed before? I THINK that is what we are
talking about here.
| >> What
| >> is the usefulness of saving a web page over saving a
favorite that
| >> allows
| >> you to point to the page where the original page was
generated.
| >>
| >> > If the web site is using a script or program to
generate content
| >> > on-the-fly then that content won't be available when
the browser
| >> > simply
| >> > attempts to yank all the components on that page. IE
saving a web
| >> > page
| >> > will attempt to yank the components from that page.
I'm sure you
| >> > have
| >> > noticed the download dialog window that pops up when
you attempt to
| >> > save
| >> > a web page. Saving the web page does NOT store the
*rendered*
| >> > version
| >> > of that page as you see it at a specific time under
certain
| >> > conditions.
| >>
| >> I hear you, but I think THAT is what I want. When I
try to save a
| >> page, I
| >> am trying to save the content I see on the screen at
that time. I am
| >> not
| >> trying to save the entire ability of pulling up records
from a remote
| >> server
| >> which might occupy Terabytes. I want to save a plan on
how to build
| >> a
| >> woodworking project. I am trying to save a monthly
statement (so I
| >> can
| >> refer to it a year later). I am trying to save a
newspaper story
| >> (which may
| >> be removed by the publisher) to refer to it later. If
I want to
| >> search a
| >> database or work with dynamic information that the
server on line can
| >> provide me, I will choose a favorite and link to the
website itself.
| >>
| >> > You might have IE in a small-sized window, or
expanded to display
| >> > fullscreen, or you might be navigating to the site
from some other
| >> > site
| >> > that leaves its frame in that browser's window so the
next site or
| >> > page
| >> > only gets to use a portion of the browser's window.
| >> >
| >> If I am reading you correctly, I could have Word in a
small window,
| >> that
| >> does not mean that the Word file I save is not able to
be totally
| >> regenerated when I open Word again and go full screen.
Again, I am
| >> not
| >> expecting a dynamic window. I just want the equivalent
of my Word
| >> file back
| >> again. Hell, many times the picture content exists in
saving the
| >> website
| >> complete, they are just not displayed for some reason.
| >>
| >> > If you want to save the web page, that means you want
to yank the
| >> > components of that web page and THAT is what you are
attempting to
| >> > save.
| >>
| >> Yes.
| >>
| >> > Not all components can be yanked, especially if they
are generated
| >> > by a
| >> > script or program. If you want to save exactly what
you see on
| >> > your
| >> > screen in the current instance of the browser's
window as it got
| >> > rendered under THAT environment then get a screen
capture program.
| >>
| >> They can be yanked at the time you are saving them
because they are
| >> yanked
| >> to be displayed on your screen. I don't want a screen
capture
| >> program
| >> because the page may be several screens long. I just
want to save
| >> what I am
| >> seeing.
| >> >
| >> > There is no such thing as a STATIC page when IE is
rendering the
| >> > HTML
| >> > code in that web page. Text might be centered but
obviously
| >> > centering
| >> > depends on how wide is the viewing area for the HTML
document.
| >> > Lots of
| >> > positioning depends on the viewing area and its
dimensions. If you
| >> > actually could save a static copy when your browser
window occupied
| >> > half
| >> > the size of the screen then looking at it in a
browser window that
| >> > was
| >> > fullscreen would still only occupy half of the screen
(minus the
| >> > space
| >> > that was occupied by the browser's toolbars). A
table that uses
| >> > fixed
| >> > width columns would scroll off to the right of your
browser's
| >> > current
| >> > window size. You can scroll over to see the rest but
not if you
| >> > only
| >> > saved a static copy of exactly what you saw in the
browser's window
| >> > before scrolling (and all you would see if you did
scroll over
| >> > would be
| >> > that half of the page when you view it later).
| >> >
| >> Mmmm. If I were to choose, I would ask the SAVE
operation to save it
| >> so I
| >> could render it so I could scroll just as I would when
I was looking
| >> at the
| >> data on my screen originally. I would not ask it to
render new data
| >> or data
| >> that was up to date at the time I retrieved the saved
file.
| >>
| >> Chuck said simply--print to file. I guess that is what
I want.
| >> Stupid
| >> me--I need to understand how to retrieve the damn thing
after I do
| >> that.
| >> But I guess that is what I want. An Adobe Acrobat
print to file
| >> would do
| >> the trick for me.
| >>
| >> > The HTML document is full of code and THAT is what
you are
| >> > attempting to
| >> > save. If some of that content is generated
on-the-fly then it
| >> > might not
| >> > be available when you try to yank it. And any
server-side programs
| >> > that
| >> > are used by the page will not get downloaded when you
save the page
| >> > (i.e., you do not get to save a copy of their
program). If you
| >> > truly
| >> > want a STATIC copy of exactly what you see on the
screen, get a
| >> > screen
| >> > capture utility.
| >> >
| >> Again, I don't want a screen capture utility--not even
an elegant
| >> one. I
| >> want to print to a file I can reload into something to
view it
| >> EXACTLY as I
| >> saw it 6 months ago--no changes. I want my magazine
article to be
| >> the same
| >> as when I first viewed it. I want my woodworking plan
the same as it
| >> is
| >> statically on my browser. I want my bank statement
EXACTLY as it was
| >> when I
| >> saved it (not controlled by the bank which could have
changed it
| >> since I
| >> last looked at it). HOW DO I DO THAT!!???
| >> Since it was first viewed in a browser in IE, it would
make sense to
| >> be able
| >> to load it into an IE brower window to view it once
again with NO
| >> CHANGES.
| >> If I want to see how the data looks NOW 6 months later,
I will go to
| >> the web
| >> site. That is what saving a favorite is for. If I
want to save
| >> something,
| >> I want to see something just as it was when I saved it.
| >>
| >> Sorry about this, but I think the concept is important.
| >> > --
| >> >
| >>
| >>
| >>
|
|
| Well, if *printing* to a file saves more than what a file
save does, and
| if you want it in PDF format, you could use CutePDF or
PDFCreator to
| create .pdf files, and both are free. It could be that
printing the
| document as it is rendered (i.e., what you see) would work
for you as
| opposed to yanking the content of the site (of which some
might be
| generated on-the-fly so you can't yank it).
|
|
http://www.cutepdf.com/
|
https://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/
|
| There are no watermarks or other adware/demoware/crapware
in these
| products (i.e., they don't attempt to promote you to their
paid version
| to rid of some crap they add). For CutePDF, there is a
blurb in the
| print dialog promoting their paid version. PDFCreator is
open
| sourceware and there is no promotional crap anywhere
(because there is
| no commercial version of the software to upgrade to).
Back in February
| when I looked at these two products, I choose PDFCreator
because
| PDFCreator has an Options page where resolution can be
adjusted whereas
| CutePDF requires you to edit a text file. I never did
test them for
| speed as to which was faster in generating the PDF file,
but since both
| rely on the same Ghostscript program to do the actual
conversion then I
| suspect they are nearly equal in performance. However,
they obviously
| won't provide every feature possible within a PDF file
that, say, Adobe
| Acrobat (and its Distiller) will provide. The install for
PDFCreator is
| easier because it includes the install of Ghostscript
whereas you need
| to separately install Ghostscript first before installing
CutePDF (they
| have a link to Ghostscript on CutePDF's download page).
|
| That doesn't mean that what you print will be exactly what
got rendered
| by a browser. For example, if you navigate to
http://www.comcast.net/
| which uses Flash to display its content, some flash
content might be
| missing. Also, they use layers to paint the web page so
the printed
| version will show those layers separate of each other (you
see one layer
| on one page and another layer on a different page inside
the PDF file
| generated by printing to a file). If you print (to PDF
file) the
|
http://www.msn.com/ page, it looks similar but not exactly
the same as
| what you saw in the browser that rendered all the code,
retrieved the
| image files, and submitted or initiated programs or
scripts that
| generated more content. If you print (to PDF file) the
|
http://www.expedia.com page, the right-side of the page
gets truncated.
| Even switching to landscape mode to get wider printing
might still not
| be wide enough to encompass a very wide page, like a huge
table with
| dozens of rows.
|
| Old HTML was geared towards generating static documents.
DHTML, CSS,
| and other technologies since added are not designed to be
viewable by
| saving them because not everything is there to save.
|
| --
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