rwz viewer for outlook rules


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VanguardLH

Herman said:
Anyone interested in a rws viewer (that sorts and exports the rules)
feel free to download it at www. hgroenewegen. nl

Redirects to http:// hgroenewegen. atspace. com. This uses a meta-refresh
tag:

<!--meta http-equiv=refresh content="0;
url=http:// home. tiscali.
nl/ ~ti013118"-->

to redirect again to some tiscali customer's personal web page (if refresh
is disabled, you're shown a link to this tiscali page).

No thanks. Got a warning about finding the HTML:IFrame-KU[Trj] trojan from
the atspace site. Luckily I visited the unknown and untrusted site with all
add-ons and scripting disabled.

Geez, why not just use the export and import of rules already available in
Outlook? There is no point in sorting them. The rules should be ordered
according the flow needed to process them in a priority sequence on each
e-mail they get exercised. Sorting is stupid. That is not likely the order
you should be defining your rules set.
 
D

Diane Poremsky [MVP]

Actually, the ability to sort would be very useful to anyone with many
rules - it would allow these users to see what rules they have so they don't
duplicate them. In most cases, the order doesn't matter in Outlook - a large
% of rules are basic 'if from .... then move to....". The order only matters
when more than one rule applies to a message.

A better rules editor should sell well but it requires some reverse
engineering as there is no documentation or object model for rules.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]

Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com/

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VanguardLH said:
Herman said:
Anyone interested in a rws viewer (that sorts and exports the rules)
feel free to download it at www. hgroenewegen. nl

Redirects to http:// hgroenewegen. atspace. com. This uses a meta-refresh
tag:

<!--meta http-equiv=refresh content="0;
url=http:// home.
tiscali.
nl/ ~ti013118"-->

to redirect again to some tiscali customer's personal web page (if refresh
is disabled, you're shown a link to this tiscali page).

No thanks. Got a warning about finding the HTML:IFrame-KU[Trj] trojan
from
the atspace site. Luckily I visited the unknown and untrusted site with
all
add-ons and scripting disabled.

Geez, why not just use the export and import of rules already available in
Outlook? There is no point in sorting them. The rules should be ordered
according the flow needed to process them in a priority sequence on each
e-mail they get exercised. Sorting is stupid. That is not likely the
order
you should be defining your rules set.
 
V

VanguardLH

Diane said:
Actually, the ability to sort would be very useful to anyone with many
rules - it would allow these users to see what rules they have so they don't
duplicate them. In most cases, the order doesn't matter in Outlook - a large
% of rules are basic 'if from .... then move to....". The order only matters
when more than one rule applies to a message.

A better rules editor should sell well but it requires some reverse
engineering as there is no documentation or object model for rules.

Okay, say you have a whitelisting rule. If from <someperson> then
<whatever>. If you had dozens or hundreds of rules, why would you waste the
time have all of the non-applicable rules exercised against this e-mail that
you already know you want to keep? Whitelisting (and blacklisting) rules go
at the top of your rules list. If an e-mail matches on those rules, there
is no point in running any other e-mails against that same e-mail.

Granted is that most users never even bother to consider how their e-mails
flow through their set of rules.
 
D

Diane Poremsky [MVP]

While it is more efficient if you put the most used rules on top, the speed
at which modern computers operate means that it really doesn't matter. The
rules editor sucks for more than a handful of rules so few people will
organize them for efficiency or remove rules they no longer need (such as
for spam addresses). A good 3rd party rules editor would not only allow you
to sort rules but also to easily re-arrange them.



--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]

Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com/

Outlook Tips by email:
mailto:[email protected]

EMO - a weekly newsletter about Outlook and Exchange:
mailto:[email protected]

Poll: What version of Outlook do you use?
http://forums.slipstick.com/showthread.php?t=27072
 
A

Andrew Hamilton

Herman said:
Anyone interested in a rws viewer (that sorts and exports the rules)
feel free to download it at www. hgroenewegen. nl

Redirects to http:// hgroenewegen. atspace. com. This uses a meta-refresh
tag:

<!--meta http-equiv=refresh content="0;
url=http:// home. tiscali.
nl/ ~ti013118"-->

to redirect again to some tiscali customer's personal web page (if refresh
is disabled, you're shown a link to this tiscali page).

No thanks. Got a warning about finding the HTML:IFrame-KU[Trj] trojan from
the atspace site. Luckily I visited the unknown and untrusted site with all
add-ons and scripting disabled.

I turned on Private Browsing in FireFox. And I have FireFox set to
block all downloads and plug-ins by default.

The fact that there is a 'drive-by download' on this site doesn't
necessarily mean that the program's author is a bad guy. He/she could
have a poorly managed site and some third-party bad guys planted the
download. Happens only all the time.

Geez, why not just use the export and import of rules already available in
Outlook? There is no point in sorting them. The rules should be ordered
according the flow needed to process them in a priority sequence on each
e-mail they get exercised. Sorting is stupid. That is not likely the order
you should be defining your rules set.

I think the real issue for me, assuming that the download is safe, is
"So what?" I have something like 50+ rules in Outlook, and I have
them sorted by topic area already. Problem is, every time I want to
add a new rule, I have to do a slow, manual sort.

What I would really like to see is the ability to EDIT these rules
outside of Outlook, including add/change/delete/sort operations, and
then RE-IMPORT these changes into an .rwz file. That would be a real
win.

If I had the programming skills of some of the MVPs in this group, I
would have written such a program already. But I don't. Even though
I don't have an employer would pay for such a program, if it existed,
I surely would for my personal usage.

-AH
 
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Diane Poremsky [MVP]

If I had the programming skills of some of the MVPs in this group, I
would have written such a program already.

Actually, it wouldn't matter if you had the skills. There is a reason why no
such program exists to this day and its not because no one would buy it -
rules are undocumented and no one has figured the structure out.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]

Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com/

Outlook Tips by email:
mailto:[email protected]

EMO - a weekly newsletter about Outlook and Exchange:
mailto:[email protected]

Poll: What version of Outlook do you use?
http://forums.slipstick.com/showthread.php?t=27072


Andrew Hamilton said:
Herman said:
Anyone interested in a rws viewer (that sorts and exports the rules)
feel free to download it at www. hgroenewegen. nl

Redirects to http:// hgroenewegen. atspace. com. This uses a meta-refresh
tag:

<!--meta http-equiv=refresh content="0;
url=http:// home.
tiscali.
nl/ ~ti013118"-->

to redirect again to some tiscali customer's personal web page (if refresh
is disabled, you're shown a link to this tiscali page).

No thanks. Got a warning about finding the HTML:IFrame-KU[Trj] trojan
from
the atspace site. Luckily I visited the unknown and untrusted site with
all
add-ons and scripting disabled.

I turned on Private Browsing in FireFox. And I have FireFox set to
block all downloads and plug-ins by default.

The fact that there is a 'drive-by download' on this site doesn't
necessarily mean that the program's author is a bad guy. He/she could
have a poorly managed site and some third-party bad guys planted the
download. Happens only all the time.

Geez, why not just use the export and import of rules already available in
Outlook? There is no point in sorting them. The rules should be ordered
according the flow needed to process them in a priority sequence on each
e-mail they get exercised. Sorting is stupid. That is not likely the
order
you should be defining your rules set.

I think the real issue for me, assuming that the download is safe, is
"So what?" I have something like 50+ rules in Outlook, and I have
them sorted by topic area already. Problem is, every time I want to
add a new rule, I have to do a slow, manual sort.

What I would really like to see is the ability to EDIT these rules
outside of Outlook, including add/change/delete/sort operations, and
then RE-IMPORT these changes into an .rwz file. That would be a real
win.

If I had the programming skills of some of the MVPs in this group, I
would have written such a program already. But I don't. Even though
I don't have an employer would pay for such a program, if it existed,
I surely would for my personal usage.

-AH
 
A

Andrew Hamilton

Actually, it wouldn't matter if you had the skills. There is a reason why no
such program exists to this day and its not because no one would buy it -
rules are undocumented and no one has figured the structure out.
Diane,

Thank you.

Are you saying that the Outlook "object model" does not cover rules?
If that is the case, that is a major oversight.

If that is the case, how does this third-party company manage to set
up their own rules-processing engine?

-AH
 
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Retry rwz viewer

Anyone interested in a rwz viewer (that sorts and exports the rules)
feel free to download it at www.hgroenewegen.nl

It is of great use to me, so i wonder why it wouldn't be for you!
Herman
 
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Herman Groenewegen

No more threats any more (changed my provider)

Anyone interested in a rws viewer (that sorts and exports the rules)
feel free to download it at www.hgroenewegen.nl

Anyone interested in a rws viewer (that sorts and exports the rules)
feel free to download it at www.hgroenewegen.nl
Redirects to http:// hgroenewegen. atspace. com. This uses a meta-refresh
tag:

<!--meta http-equiv=refresh content="0;
url=http:// home. tiscali.
nl/ ~ti013118"-->

to redirect again to some tiscali customer's personal web page (if refresh
is disabled, you are shown a link to this tiscali page).

No thanks. Got a warning about finding the HTML:IFrame-KU[Trj] trojan from
the atspace site. Luckily I visited the unknown and untrusted site with all
add-ons and scripting disabled.

Geez, why not just use the export and import of rules already available in
Outlook? There is no point in sorting them. The rules should be ordered
according the flow needed to process them in a priority sequence on each
e-mail they get exercised. Sorting is stupid. That is not likely the order
you should be defining your rules set.
On Thursday, December 17, 2009 7:39 AM Diane Poremsky [MVP] wrote:
Actually, the ability to sort would be very useful to anyone with many
rules - it would allow these users to see what rules they have so they do not
duplicate them. In most cases, the order does not matter in Outlook - a large
% of rules are basic 'if from .... then move to....". The order only matters
when more than one rule applies to a message.

A better rules editor should sell well but it requires some reverse
engineering as there is no documentation or object model for rules.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]

Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com/

Outlook Tips by email:
mailto:[email protected]

EMO - a weekly newsletter about Outlook and Exchange:
mailto:[email protected]

Poll: What version of Outlook do you use?
http://forums.slipstick.com/showthread.php?t=27072
On Friday, December 18, 2009 10:31 AM Diane Poremsky [MVP] wrote:
While it is more efficient if you put the most used rules on top, the speed
at which modern computers operate means that it really does not matter. The
rules editor sucks for more than a handful of rules so few people will
organize them for efficiency or remove rules they no longer need (such as
for spam addresses). A good 3rd party rules editor would not only allow you
to sort rules but also to easily re-arrange them.



--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]

Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com/

Outlook Tips by email:
mailto:[email protected]

EMO - a weekly newsletter about Outlook and Exchange:
mailto:[email protected]

Poll: What version of Outlook do you use?
http://forums.slipstick.com/showthread.php?t=27072
On Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:40 PM Diane Poremsky [MVP] wrote:
Actually, it would not matter if you had the skills. There is a reason why no
such program exists to this day and its not because no one would buy it -
rules are undocumented and no one has figured the structure out.

--
Diane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook]

Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com/

Outlook Tips by email:
mailto:[email protected]

EMO - a weekly newsletter about Outlook and Exchange:
mailto:[email protected]

Poll: What version of Outlook do you use?
http://forums.slipstick.com/showthread.php?t=27072
 
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