Running NAV on a Win 98 Box with 64megs of Memory and an addendum

[Peter]

I helped a colleague re-hook up to the Net (ADSL) after she had gotten
her
computer back from the local shop machine where she'd taken it to get
rid of a virus (don't know which one).
After getting her logged back on, I downloaded Spybot, Adaware,
Mailwasher, and AVG Free Addition. After getting it all installed, I
looked at a brochure she'd gotten from her ISP and noticed that as part
of her ADSL deal, she also got NAV (which she'd never installed). The
thing is, she's got a five year old IBM Aptiva, running Win98SE, with 64
megs of ram.
Question; should I delete AVG, and install NAV? I've heard that NAV is
uses a lot of resources, and with only 64 megs of memory I fear
installing it might really slow down her machine.

Also: I got a mail from my ISP today (same ISP as hers) that they're
offering NAV (with free upgrades). I'm on a dialup connection,
running AVG Free Addition, Spybot, Adaware, Mailwasher and have set OE
not open attachments, read in text only, and no preview pane. I feel
pretty safe.
Is it worth it to switch to NAV? My computer is a homebuilt Athlon
1.33gig, with 512meg of ram, running Win2K with all the security
patches.

Peter

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Peter pounced upon this pigeonhole and pronounced:

I helped a colleague re-hook up to the Net (ADSL) after she had gotten
her
computer back from the local shop machine where she'd taken it to get
rid of a virus (don't know which one).
After getting her logged back on, I downloaded Spybot, Adaware,
Mailwasher, and AVG Free Addition. After getting it all installed, I
looked at a brochure she'd gotten from her ISP and noticed that as part
of her ADSL deal, she also got NAV (which she'd never installed). The
thing is, she's got a five year old IBM Aptiva, running Win98SE, with 64
megs of ram.
Question; should I delete AVG, and install NAV? I've heard that NAV is
uses a lot of resources, and with only 64 megs of memory I fear
installing it might really slow down her machine.

Also: I got a mail from my ISP today (same ISP as hers) that they're
offering NAV (with free upgrades). I'm on a dialup connection,
running AVG Free Addition, Spybot, Adaware, Mailwasher and have set OE
not open attachments, read in text only, and no preview pane. I feel
pretty safe.
Is it worth it to switch to NAV? My computer is a homebuilt Athlon
1.33gig, with 512meg of ram, running Win2K with all the security
patches.

I see just about everything there except mention of a firewall. You're on
dsl, you should have a firewall. Heck, even on dialup, you should have a
firewall.

 

[Frans Meijer]

I see just about everything there except mention of a firewall. You're on
dsl, you should have a firewall. Heck, even on dialup, you should have a
firewall.

Why? If the OS is well updated and configurated there is no reason to
run a firewall.

 

[YK]

Why? If the OS is well updated and configurated there is no reason to
run a firewall.

Lies!
"The Internet is a hostile network like the wild west without a sheriff."
http://www.firewallguide.com/

The ba$tards are coming up with more and more cr@p to shove in your face all
the time. A firewall is one line of defence plus updating the anti virus
application *daily* and with good applications like IE-SPYAD,
SpywareBlaster, applying updates from MS and a good HOSTS file make the
Internet a bit more secure:
http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~ehowes/resource.htm#IESPYAD
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html
http://asp.flaaten.dk/proxo/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=20 HOSTS file discussion and
updates.

I get lots of cr@p from Holland so they have a vested interest in keeping
your defenses down. i.e. 419 scams, unpatched SWEN virus systems,
unsolicited porn email and other spam email.

 

[me]

Why? If the OS is well updated and configurated there is no reason to
run a firewall.

"Updates" tend to be reactive. Meaning that they tend to appear
after a few 00's (000...0's) user get screwed.

--J
Replies to: jNpolak(at)Ojuno(dot)Tcom

 

[Peter]

Lies!
"The Internet is a hostile network like the wild west without a
sheriff." http://www.firewallguide.com/

The ba$tards are coming up with more and more cr@p to shove in your
face all the time. A firewall is one line of defence plus updating
the anti virus application *daily* and with good applications like
IE-SPYAD, SpywareBlaster, applying updates from MS and a good HOSTS
file make the Internet a bit more secure:
http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~ehowes/resource.htm#IESPYAD
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html
http://asp.flaaten.dk/proxo/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=20 HOSTS file
discussion and updates.

I get lots of cr@p from Holland so they have a vested interest in
keeping your defenses down. i.e. 419 scams, unpatched SWEN virus
systems, unsolicited porn email and other spam email.

Thanks for the links. I'll check into firewalls. FWIW, my colleague
isn't connected to the Net on a full-time basis. I've told her that it's
best to log and off, instead of just staying connected for security
reasons. As for me, I'm on dialup, and with the software I've
installed, I feel pretty secure but <sigh>

I get this stuff from Holland too (RIPE network?) but now I catch the
spam with Mailwasher.
Here's a link to the 419 scam... kind of funny.

http://www.scamorama.com/

What about running NAV on Win98 machine with 64 megs of memory as
opposed to running AVG Free Edition? Any thought on that? And should I
switch to NAV from AVG? I'm reluctant cause I've heard about the
resource hog issues, and conflicts, etc.

TIA

Peter

 

[Peter]

Lies!
"The Internet is a hostile network like the wild west without a
sheriff." http://www.firewallguide.com/

The ba$tards are coming up with more and more cr@p to shove in your
face all the time. A firewall is one line of defence plus updating
the anti virus application *daily* and with good applications like
IE-SPYAD, SpywareBlaster, applying updates from MS and a good HOSTS
file make the Internet a bit more secure:
http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~ehowes/resource.htm#IESPYAD
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html
http://asp.flaaten.dk/proxo/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=20 HOSTS file
discussion and updates.

Forgot to ask

What are HOSTS files?

Peter

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Peter pounced upon this pigeonhole and pronounced:

Forgot to ask

What are HOSTS files?

See Gorilla's pages about HOSTS:
http://www.accs-net.com/hosts/

and this page of mine (section 3):
http://bshagnasty.home.att.net/browsersettings.htm

There are an awful lot of areas on pages I visit that do not show ads.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Frans Meijer pounced upon this pigeonhole and pronounced:

Why? If the OS is well updated and configurated there is no reason to
run a firewall.

In addition to what YK said, what if some enterprising hacker finds a new
vulnerability that our friends in Redmond don't know they should patch
for? The firewall will hide your computer from the hacker. Or the Welchia
worm. Or, whatever comes next. One of my ISPs has people complaining about
probes from other dialup users in their netblock, so even if you're only
online for short periods of time, you are still vulnerable.

Besides, it will also tell you of any unwanted or surprise *outgoing*
stuff. That's pretty important, too.

 

[YK]

Thanks for the links. I'll check into firewalls. FWIW, my colleague
isn't connected to the Net on a full-time basis. I've told her that
it's best to log and off, instead of just staying connected for
security reasons. As for me, I'm on dialup, and with the software
I've installed, I feel pretty secure but <sigh>

I get this stuff from Holland too (RIPE network?) but now I catch the
spam with Mailwasher.
Here's a link to the 419 scam... kind of funny.

http://www.scamorama.com/

What about running NAV on Win98 machine with 64 megs of memory as
opposed to running AVG Free Edition? Any thought on that? And should I
switch to NAV from AVG? I'm reluctant cause I've heard about the
resource hog issues, and conflicts, etc.

I would stick with AVG. I use Kerio firewall but a router would consume no
resources but does not provide outbound protection. A router with rebates
can be had for $20.00-$40.00 here.

 

[Peter]

Peter pounced upon this pigeonhole and pronounced:

See Gorilla's pages about HOSTS:
http://www.accs-net.com/hosts/

and this page of mine (section 3):
http://bshagnasty.home.att.net/browsersettings.htm

There are an awful lot of areas on pages I visit that do not show ads.

Thanks. Firewall aside, I consider myself to be pretty aware, security
wise. I got burned once, and that taught me. Still, it's like, the
more I read, the paranoid I become. I know I could switch to Mozilla or
Opera (in fact I've downloaded Mozilla 1.4 but hardly use it) but I like
IE and OE. OE in particular, because it allows me to do multiple
language spellchecking. I lurk on groups to learn and post to get
questions answered but sometimes I wish I hadn't even asked.

To quote P.J. Plauger (whoever he is?)

"My definition of an expert in any field is a person who knows enough
about what's really going on to be scared."

Peter