Rules about copies of XP?

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Jupiter said:
Laurel;
It is possible to install and run on multiple computers.
But it violates the EULA you have agreed to do so.
Like most things, there are ways for those without integrity to
violate the agreement.

You mean like MS trying to rewrite an individuals "fair use" rights to
the copy of copyrighted software that was legally sold to them in a
POST-SALE Shrink-wrap License?
1. Close enough
2. Exactly
3. not unless you want the computer to activate.
Huh?

Your computer does not phone home on a routine basis to check
validity. The data used to verify activation is stored on your
computer.
See this about Activation:
http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm
And:
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation.mspx

And http://microscum.com/mmpafaq/

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<Like most things, there are ways for those without integrity to violate the
agreement.
i just love the high and mighty attitude . anyone that disagrees with
anything here is totally lacking integrity .

anyone here that disagrees with MS's eula is a thief .

anyone that doesn't kiss MS's and your ass's is a troll .

shit maybe MS should contact Webster and ask that the definition of consumer
activist be changed to troll .
 
Yves Leclerc said:
NO!. it does not "compare" to the web. It generates a "secret" code based
on several aspects of the hardware with the one sent for activation. If too
many changes occur, the allowed count for changes, would push for a
re-activate request.

OK, but whatever it compares your configuration with is not on your PC,
right?
 
maybe MS should contact Webster and ask that the definition of consumer
activist be changed to troll .

There is a difference between being a consumer advocate and what is
sometimes posted by some in this group.

A troll is one that disrupts a group.
 
Whether connected or not, the comparison is to the activation
info stored on your computer.

OK, I think I'm beginnign to get this. If you install Windows on a a
different computer, then there is no secret code generated and stored on
your computer. That has to happen when you "activate."

Now - where does the "you have to call Microsoft" come in? How does
Microsoft know you're doing this for the second (or third or fourth) time?
 
No Kurt, you should read for a change.
Microsoft may have written the agreement, but it is a choice the user makes
to accept the agreement.
If the terms are unacceptable, do not agree.
Make your choice Agree or not and then act accordingly.
If you agree and then violate an agreement, that makes a person a liar.

No rights are lost, in fact just the opposite.
Until it is agreed to, there are no rights to use it.
Once it is agreed, then there are rights to use.
Rights that did not exist prior to the agreement.
I guess you consider the ability to legally use something more restrictive
than no use at all.

But this goes against the idea you have that companies such as Microsoft
should work and give to you on your terms while you are unwilling to do the
same with whatever you produce.
Nice one way street you have made.
 
Those are your words, not mine or anyone else's.
That is your business if you feel that way.
 
hey , all you have to do is stop responding , but you don't .

Woody, if you look at the number of posts related to this today, and the
ones from the prior days, I think you will find that this was my first
reply into this crap today. I only entered to respond to your post.

If you can't follow the information provide - then shut-up.

Button :)
 
<A troll is one that disrupts a group.>

hey , all you have to do is stop responding , but you don't .

while i WILL step in when you or anyone else tries to tell someone "their"
interpretation of the law as written by bill , you continue to preach it and
evade proving anything by backing up your self-righteous claims .

hey , i know kurt just because i've been here since the release of xp and
its activation and eula . seems anyone here that actually aggrees with him
is now considered a kurt groupie , lol . too funny . you've elevated him to
what ? rock star status ? did any of you actually think there may be others
that actually have a f'ing clue that MS DOESN'T write the law ?

ok , once and for all . put up or shut up . where in the oem eula does it
say that you can't upgrade the motherboard ?
 
Leythos said:
There is a difference between being a consumer advocate and what is
sometimes posted by some in this group.

A troll is one that disrupts a group.

LOL! That's what the Brits said about Ben Franklin and the rest of our
founding fathers.

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
 
Leythos said:
Woody, if you look at the number of posts related to this today, and
the ones from the prior days, I think you will find that this was my
first reply into this crap today. I only entered to respond to your
post.

If you can't follow the information provide - then shut-up.

Button :)

Avoidance Noted.

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
 
yea know , i actually like you . you post here on a linux box , and give
people a clue that there really is an alternative to windows . all your
other posts are informative . i just can't understand this blind loyalty you
have in telling people things that aren't based on fact or law .
 
hey , things get kinda heated and personal around here . they're only that
way if you take them as such .

while the "drones " , and they know who they are , will continue to spew the
MS rule of law as written by bill , there are the "trolls" . ya know i used
to take that personally because i used to stay away from the fray and just
help people .

this IS the MS XP "General" discussion newsgroup . NOT help and support .
and the way "I" figure it any and all opinions are/or should be welcome here
..

so let the games begin ;-)
 
Jupiter said:
No Kurt, you should read for a change.
Microsoft may have written the agreement, but it is a choice the user
makes to accept the agreement.
If the terms are unacceptable, do not agree.
Make your choice Agree or not and then act accordingly.
If you agree and then violate an agreement, that makes a person a
liar.
No rights are lost, in fact just the opposite.
Until it is agreed to, there are no rights to use it.
Once it is agreed, then there are rights to use.
Rights that did not exist prior to the agreement.
I guess you consider the ability to legally use something more
restrictive than no use at all.

But this goes against the idea you have that companies such as
Microsoft should work and give to you on your terms while you are
unwilling to do the same with whatever you produce.
Nice one way street you have made.

http://www.microscum.com/censored/200503031935/

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
 
Woody said:
hey , things get kinda heated and personal around here . they're
only that way if you take them as such .

while the "drones " , and they know who they are , will continue to
spew the MS rule of law as written by bill , there are the "trolls" .
ya know i used to take that personally because i used to stay away
from the fray and just help people .

this IS the MS XP "General" discussion newsgroup . NOT help and
support . and the way "I" figure it any and all opinions are/or
should be welcome here .

so let the games begin ;-)

They already are. The server drones seem to be pulling some posts in
this thread.

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Woody said:
yea , been happening alot lately . lol , do you think they're actually
listening ?

Yeah, they even pulled one of Juppy's posts in reply to you! ;-)

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dang , talk about censorship . i was thinking that several of my posts just
got lost in cyberspace .
 
yea know , i actually like you . you post here on a linux box , and give
people a clue that there really is an alternative to windows . all your
other posts are informative . i just can't understand this blind loyalty you
have in telling people things that aren't based on fact or law .

You're OK to Woody. I try and help, and since it's a PITA to use two
different Usenet apps on different boxes I've settled for PAN on this FC3
box, it's still not quite what Gravity was, but I'm learning and living
with it. I actually try and provide technical support in my off-times
because Usenet gave me so much assistance when I needed it, and still does
from time to time.

I have to blind loyalty to any Company, not even MS. As a business owner I
look at licensing a little differently than if I were a home user. In the
early days I used shareware without paying for it, downloaded as much as I
could to learn, even use to run a questionable copy of Borlands C and then
C++ product, but, after I started working with the local law enforcement
people I looked at how I was doing things and decided to buy licenses for
everything I used, including shareware. As it turns out, I spent about
$35K that year. According to some, I should have only needed one licensed
copy of each type of product as I was running the biz out of my home, but
when I called to determine licensing according to the vendors I decided
for myself that I would purchase the number of licenses they told me I
should have - this was Adobe, Microsoft, Borland, MacroMedia, and others,
it's not just limited to Microsoft. As the business grew I bought more
servers/workstations, upgraded all, and bought the licenses I needed
according to the licensing information I could find and from the vendors
and from the vendors agents like CDW, Insight, etc... I also spent several
days with MS in order to be taught how to properly license their products
so that it would pass any audit. I don't personally care if I've been
conned into purchasing to many licenses as I see nothing that indicates
I've done that, but I'm not about to risk having to few Adobe Acrobat
licenses, to few Photoshop/PageMaker, Windows 2003 Std Server, Exchange
2003 CAL's, etc... When I get a quote from Dell to furnish 25 6600 series
servers with Windows 2003 Server and 2 Exchange 2003 server and 100
workstations with XP Prof, and Office 2003 SBE, I'm going to have them
provide the licensing information, get a second quote from CDW/Insight,
and go with the best vendor for the software and licenses - same is true
with Symantec Corporate AV and SMS. This means that the customer is
covered and it's on paper as being covered, and when we've had customers
volunteer for an audit it's always passed perfectly - never had a comment
of "Oh, you've got too many licenses".

The fact that there is NO court case concerning home user rights does not
mean it's legal, and it doesn't mean it's illegal, but it also doesn't
mean I need to have my a$$ chewed out for following what I think is the
right direction regarding licensing and the qty I believe I need.

There are two sides to this issue, and since there is no legal case
proven, I'm going to stick with the side that errs on caution vs
recklessness.
 
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