Jupiter said:
Steve;
We simply have different standards on what is successful in this matter.
You will accept the leftover components, I would not.
It's not so much that I accept the leftover components, but that I don't
see them causing any problems. I'd also prefer they weren't there and I
am still trying to figure out how to remove them. For example I have
removed what registry entries I can referring to Security Center but the
Icon still persists in Control Panel, still non-functional, of course.
Windows File Protection and other indicators are great but I do not like
starting with the SP-2 left over regardless.
I understand. Niether do I, but for all intents an purposes the system
is functioning exactly as a healthy SP1 OS as far as I can tell.
Obviously there is no guarantee of any installation but I would suspect an
installation that had anomalies especially an uninstallation that left
obvious components.
I'm not saying your suspicions are unfounded, that is why I am testing
it, I am just reporting that everything is working fine. I am looking
for some utilities to give more concise listings of active system files
and active processes. Everest Home is very good but it's difficult to
get it to display all of these things in a concise report. Plus not
having another machine here running a clean install of XP SP1 it is
difficult to do a complete comparison.
You pretty much have to assume a Clean Installation that reacts properly is
OK.
Secure is important as are stability and functionality.
Lose any of those three and the computer may be. worthless to you.
I agree, but the system is functioning, stable and I see no security
problems other than the the lack of security fixes included in SP2.
I apologize if the snipping seemed like it was intended to mislead, that was
not the case.
I didn't say you were attempting to intentionally mislead, but to divert
from the issues I was adressing. There's a difference.
If I had intended to mislead, I would have also deleted/changed the
appropriate section of your post.
The point I attempted to make was the fact there are leftover registry
entries and other components of SP-2 leave the uninstall process suspect to
me.
I was not ignoring your point "SP1 has no knowledge...", I understand what
you are saying.
But snipping it and not responding to it made you appear to be ignoring it.
You seem to have misunderstood what I meant when I referred to success or
failure on my computer.
What I meant was if I attempt something once and it fails, that is not very
good proof that it will not work ever.
More thorough checks would be required to make a definitive statement such
as "It can not be done."
That is why I called Carey on that statement and set out to prove (as
others have said) that it can be done.
In the point here, at least two have reported leftover components, is that
universal or just on some instances?
It has happened the three times I've done it on this machine, so in my
limited experience with this it is consistent, and as I said, it makes
sense to me that things the repair install of SP1 does not recognize as
part of the OS it is installing would not be touched. That is by design
of a repair install as I and others understand it.
If it is some and not others, that makes the uninstallation questionable.
The differences can be an indicator, not necessarily proof, of a problem.
Agreed, but I still see no problems with this OS. I am still checking it
out and everything is working correctly.
Any changes can and often do leave anomalies, but I would hold something as
important as a Service Pack to a higher standard.
I agree. However on that note and actually related, I can attest that in
my experience of removing SP2 by using add/remove programs from machines
that it was added to there were left-over things from SP2 that effected
many networking functions that necessitated removing SP2 in the
firstplace and a repair install of SP1 was necessary even after
"properly" removing SP2 in order to correct those problems.
I have been an MVP longer than Carey, 6 months IIRC.
Sorry that I was wrong about that. Thanks for the correction. I may have
been thinking of someone else. I also guess I've been reading here for
longer than I thought.
BTW, as I said before, I do agree that the very BEST way to go from SP2
to SP1 would be a clean install of SP1. Still, this is an interesting
experiment that appears to be working.
I appreciate your input and clarification on several points. Thanks.
I will continue to test this scenario as I am able and if I find any
left-over SP2 funkiness I will be sure to report it, but so far so good.
The left-overs I've seen so far appear to be cosmetic only, the system
is for all intents and purposes that I can test for so far actually at
SP1, functioning and stable.
Steve
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