removal of vista boot manager (please help)

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Steven Wabik

i just hope someone can help me with this damn issue.

i just previously had a dualboot setup between Windows XP tablet PC edition
2005 and Windows Vista business edition.

the thing was that i got sick of vista so i decided to get rid of it. i
thoght i removed the boot manager first with vistabootpro v3.3. but it seems
that the removal of the vistaloader failed.

i used vistabootpro to remove the vista bootloader in the past from when i
did beta testing. when i beta tested vista i was doing it in a dual oot
situation and that application vistaboot pro got rid of the vista
bootloader.

now i seem to be stuck with the vistaboot loader. does anyone have any ideas
of how to get rid of it without reinstalling windows?
 
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philo

Steven Wabik said:
i just hope someone can help me with this damn issue.

i just previously had a dualboot setup between Windows XP tablet PC edition
2005 and Windows Vista business edition.

the thing was that i got sick of vista so i decided to get rid of it. i
thoght i removed the boot manager first with vistabootpro v3.3. but it seems
that the removal of the vistaloader failed.

i used vistabootpro to remove the vista bootloader in the past from when i
did beta testing. when i beta tested vista i was doing it in a dual oot
situation and that application vistaboot pro got rid of the vista
bootloader.

now i seem to be stuck with the vistaboot loader. does anyone have any ideas
of how to get rid of it without reinstalling windows?
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Did you try booting from your XP cd and from the repair console issuing the
command : fixboot
 
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Steven Wabik

no, but knowing microsoft software it may not work..lol

anyways...thanks for the idea, but i already got rid of the vista boot
manager.

even though that i fixed the issue, i am just wondering if anyone can send
me other seggestions on how to fix it for if it happens again...better than
that one the other guy sent me and possibly some to avoid that issue in the
future.
 
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Josh Einstein

How to avoid it in the future? Well for starters, don't dual boot. With
virtualization where it is today, it's rarely necessary. Pick a version of
the OS and stick with it and if you need an older one for compatibility
reasons, keep it in a virtual machine. If you don't understand master boot
records and how various OS's tend to step on each others toes then you'll
get into situations like this.

And if you do run into the problem again, you might get more help if you
don't come to a Microsoft community newsgroup with an attitude like "knowing
Microsoft software it may not work..." when you were the one who tinkered
the system into its current state.
 
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David Morgan \(MAMS\)

Josh Einstein said:
How to avoid it in the future? Well for starters, don't dual boot.
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I personally prefer removable drives in bays. One OS per drive.
 
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the wharf rat

How to avoid it in the future? Well for starters, don't dual boot. With
virtualization where it is today, it's rarely necessary.
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He may not have the horsepower. Virtualization doesn't give you
2 machines you know...
 
S

Steven Wabik

i never really messed with virtalization technologies, but yet my computers
BIOS has some option for it. either way, when its enabled it speeds up my
computer....
 
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Steven Wabik

i sortta did that myself, having on OS per drive when i was beta test vista
on a dual boot. it was on a laptop that could handle up to 3 internal hard
drives.

when XP was loaded the main hard drive, the one with XP on it was in the
main hard drive bay and in dvd and floppy drives were inserrted in the other
drive bays.

when vista was loaded on the PC the floppy drive was removed and the main
hard drive was put in its place. the main hard drive was only like 20GB. the
hard drive that i had for vista was about 60GB.

now this laptop was so old that it could not handle windows aero on the
native graphics card, but i used a PCMCIA graphics card with it while i was
running it under vista just so that it could run aero.
 
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David Morgan \(MAMS\)

Sorry everyone.........



Mick Murphy said:
You are a johnny-come-lately clown; learn the rules.
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Excuse me, my top-posting little child with a faaaar too wide-open MOUTH....

My point is... YOU (brain-death) are the one doing the crossposting.

Get your shit together and clean up your half-assed attempts at advice.

--
David B. Morgan (MAMS)
Morgan Audio Media Service
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
_____________________________
http://www.januarysound.com
 
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Anteaus

Josh Einstein said:
...don't come to a Microsoft community newsgroup with an attitude like "knowing
Microsoft software it may not work..." when you were the one who tinkered
the system into its current state.
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In this instance I'd beg to differ. For no good reason (other than perhaps
to actively prevent coexistence with other OS's, or to prevent its transfer
by disk-imaging...? ) Vista modifies the MBR in a special way. Here the
problem is clearly that of the Microsoft OS deliberately playing the
"Neighbor from Hell" on a shared PC.

There is no reason for any OS to modify the MBR, in fact the MBR is not part
of the disk partition as such. Some bootloaders install into the MBR, but
then that is part of their proper function as means to boot from ultiple
partitions. The OS itself should not touch it.
 
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Steven Wabik

after the removal of vista and the removal of the vista boot manager, i ran
into a new issue. you know how the BIOS kind of acts of as a boot manager
giving you F9 and F10 optoins and stuff?

well, all the additional options after that have disapeared for me after the
removal of vista. i think it had something to do with the removal of vista
and its boot manager. the BIOS in my notebook in my laptop had aditional
options that appeared after the main BIOS slash screen. these options were
for recovery options and stuff.

does anyone have any ideas of how to fix this issue? this screen is needed
to create restore CDs or DVDs from the restore partition on the hard drive.
there were a lot of other advanced options as well.
 
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Charlie Tame

Steven said:
after the removal of vista and the removal of the vista boot manager, i ran
into a new issue. you know how the BIOS kind of acts of as a boot manager
giving you F9 and F10 optoins and stuff?

well, all the additional options after that have disapeared for me after the
removal of vista. i think it had something to do with the removal of vista
and its boot manager. the BIOS in my notebook in my laptop had aditional
options that appeared after the main BIOS slash screen. these options were
for recovery options and stuff.

does anyone have any ideas of how to fix this issue? this screen is needed
to create restore CDs or DVDs from the restore partition on the hard drive.
there were a lot of other advanced options as well.
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How exactly did you remove Vista?

If there's a restore partition then it's an OEM install and MS offer no
support but the maker should be able to supply recovery media. If you
don;t want to put Vista back then those options are no good to you
anyway, what you planning to run on the machine?
 
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Steven Wabik

i used vistabootpro v3.3 to remove the vista bootmanager which i guess
failed. then i just deleted the partition that had vista on it. i was
running a dual boot with XP and Vista. after i deleted the vista partition i
extented the XP partition. after vista was all gone the OEM recovery options
in the BIOS were gone, but the recovery partition was ok at least. i already
made my XP recovery DVDs from when i first got my tablet PC before HP sent
me the vista OEM CDs for the tablet.

i just want to know if anyone has any ideas of how to fix the BIOS boot
manager that lets you access the OEM recovery manager.
 
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Steven Wabik

i'm not trying to repair vista. i wanted to remove vista in which it did,
but then it removed something else instead in which it should not have.
should i still contact them about it.

after vista was removed, the OEM recovery options in the BIOS disapeared.
help me restore the OEM restore options to the BIOS, if you have any idea of
course.
 
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Charlie Tame

Okay, well I think only the OEM can tell you what was originally there
but the Vistaboot pro forums might help, it sounds like the options were
in the original bootblocks not the BIOS since if you had deleted the
BIOS I think you'd know, and have a nice paperweight on the desk.

It may be possible for you yo find someone with an identical machine and
copy their bootblock since Vistaboot pro can do this, but that sounds
like a heck of a lot of trouble and if anybody knows how to do it they
just might be the people to ask.
 
J

Josh Einstein

Virtual PC 7 with Intel VT enabled in BIOS and sufficient RAM gives me a
very speedy VM that appears to run at nearly full speed. But I know
virtualization isn't 2 machines. That wasn't my point. My point was using
virtualization to deal with the few cases where the new OS (in this case
Vista) is incompatible with older software. For most things, virtualization
isn't necessary. Dual boot is overkill. It's why more people prefer
Parallels on the Mac than Bootcamp.

But either way, dual booting in Windows (and most other OS's) isn't designed
to be as much of a no brainer as Bootcamp. It requires some knowledge (or
luck) about what is going on. While virtualization isn't always a piece of
cake either, it's alot less risky.
 

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